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05-28-2013, 04:39 PM
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OT MLB ratings decline

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They signed a huge national TV deal that kicks in next year. Local TV contracts are huge, local TV ratings are good. Don't really think there's a problem.

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MLB, like the NBA and NHL, has become a regionalized sport. It's not going to do big numbers on a national stage, at least not in a regular season weekend game in May.

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I think the concern, IMO, has to do with audience: Baseball really plays out to the Boomer/early Gen x crowd, the problem isn't now, but I think in about 20-30 years, as the Boomer generation passes on, we aren't seeing a lot of younger ones filling the seats. They've got a great deal for the next number of years, no worries there, but will the late Gen X/Gen Y fans fill the seats?

I will only speak from my experience/peer group (I'm a 'Mid to late Gen X")-I think of the 20 people I know on a good basis, who are my age, maybe 2 of them are baseball fans-and that's only because of the Jays.

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MLB, like the NBA and NHL, has become a regionalized sport. It's not going to do big numbers on a national stage, at least not in a regular season weekend game in May.
The NFL and NBA are "hip" mlb isnt.

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I think the concern, IMO, has to do with audience: Baseball really plays out to the Boomer/early Gen x crowd, the problem isn't now, but I think in about 20-30 years, as the Boomer generation passes on, we aren't seeing a lot of younger ones filling the seats. They've got a great deal for the next number of years, no worries there, but will the late Gen X/Gen Y fans fill the seats?
and places like Panama and Nicaragua soccer is getting bigger.

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and places like Panama and Nicaragua soccer is getting bigger.
Not sure what Panama and Nicaragua have to do with anything. If you're talking about baseball players coming from Latin America, the vast majority of them come from the Dominican Republic.

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I think the concern, IMO, has to do with audience: Baseball really plays out to the Boomer/early Gen x crowd, the problem isn't now, but I think in about 20-30 years, as the Boomer generation passes on, we aren't seeing a lot of younger ones filling the seats. They've got a great deal for the next number of years, no worries there, but will the late Gen X/Gen Y fans fill the seats?

I will only speak from my experience/peer group (I'm a 'Mid to late Gen X")-I think of the 20 people I know on a good basis, who are my age, maybe 2 of them are baseball fans-and that's only because of the Jays.
Until recently, post-1993, the Blue Jays have been stuck in the middle. The Yankees & Red Sox monopolized 1st & 2nd place, locking them out of ever being in the postseason. The Jays had decent seasons, but couldn't ever go anywhere. Now, it's looking like the GM's experiment is going bust as the Blue Jays are finding their way to 5th place, the Rays stopped being doormats and turned into gatecrashers, and the Orioles pulled out of their long slump and are trying to get into the groove.

It seems like baseball in Canada has been in a sad state for years. All the crap with the Expos and the Blue Jays being locked out effectively. It's sad seeing Rogers Centre so empty so often. Of course, some other teams have lackluster attendance when they've been playing well the past 2 years (White Sox, Indians come to mind), and that's not to mention the A's that are stuck in Oakland.

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Baseball fans like to claim nothing's wrong but there's clearly a problem and it's getting worse at an increasingly rapid rate. Not only are ratings collapsing across the board, but the viewers are getting older and whiter. 20-30 years from now, things will look bleak unless they start winning young kids over ASAP... gen x and gen y are probably lost to them forever

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Baseball fans like to claim nothing's wrong but there's clearly a problem and it's getting worse at an increasingly rapid rate. Not only are ratings collapsing across the board, but the viewers are getting older and whiter. 20-30 years from now, things will look bleak unless they start winning young kids over ASAP... gen x and gen y are probably lost to them forever
and what make baseball nostaligic to people is gone. the gen x baseball idols were all on steroids and the ballparks are all generic. no more ebbets field.

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I got into a discussion with someone a while back about the game, and what came out of the discussion was interesting.

He wasn't one of my peer group, but a casual conversation. He was definitely a "boomer", and talked about the nature of the game: How Baseball is meant to be a day/night where you sit, relax, watch a very strategic game being played out, slow, methodical. It was a social occasion, it wasn't about "action every minute"-but he compared it to a chess game between two teams. He lamented that part of the reason kids aren't into the game is the nature of our immediate gratification culture: if something exciting isn't happening constantly (MTV/Videogames), they clue out-and certainly can't sit for 3-4 hours to appreciate a strategic game/relaxing day at the park.

I think those days are gone, and going back to the OP: the challenge will be for baseball to try and grab those younger fans who don't have five minutes when their internet goes down, nevermind a 3 hour game of strategy and inches.

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and what make baseball nostaligic to people is gone. the gen x baseball idols were all on steroids and the ballparks are all generic. no more ebbets field.
At the risk of it coming up twice...



The era of the generic ballpark, where you didn't know if you were playing in Atlanta or Pittsburgh or Cincinnati is largely over. You may not have Ebbets anymore, but you have Camden Yards, PNC, Target Field, Miller Park - all great parks in their own right. Heck, even Citi Field serves as a nice homage to Ebbets and the Polo Grounds in every way that Shea never was.

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Baseball fans have been getting older for 50 years.

You look at sportswriting in the 60s, it was all about how baseball fans are getting older and the young people like pro football.

You look at sportswriting in the 70s, it was all about how baseball fans are getting older and the young people like pro football.

You look at sportswriting in the 80s, it was all about how baseball fans are getting older and the young people like basketball and pro football.

You look at sportswriting in the 90s, it was all about how baseball fans are getting older and the young people like hockey and pro football.

You look at sportswriting in the 00s, it was all about how baseball fans are getting older and the young people like pro football and basketball.

And here's baseball, an $8 bn industry (the NBA, by the way, is at about $5bn). And every generation that hits their mid-30s and starts thinking about God, their father and America starts liking baseball. Not coincidentally once that generation hits their mid-30s they stop caring about dunks.

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The NFL and NBA are "hip" mlb isnt.
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iceace I hope you are joking. NBA players, NFL players, hip hop culture. Hockey and Baseball are boring and whitebread compared to that.

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Until recently, post-1993, the Blue Jays have been stuck in the middle. The Yankees & Red Sox monopolized 1st & 2nd place, locking them out of ever being in the postseason. The Jays had decent seasons, but couldn't ever go anywhere. Now, it's looking like the GM's experiment is going bust as the Blue Jays are finding their way to 5th place, the Rays stopped being doormats and turned into gatecrashers, and the Orioles pulled out of their long slump and are trying to get into the groove.

It seems like baseball in Canada has been in a sad state for years. All the crap with the Expos and the Blue Jays being locked out effectively. It's sad seeing Rogers Centre so empty so often. Of course, some other teams have lackluster attendance when they've been playing well the past 2 years (White Sox, Indians come to mind), and that's not to mention the A's that are stuck in Oakland.
On the contrary, on-field performance aside, I think the state of baseball has been improving over the past half decade or so in this country, which in itself may speak to the how low the game had sunk in the late 1990's and early 2000's.

Since the Expos moved and the Blue Jays nearly followed suit, Rogers has really tried to rebuild the brand and while it took them a while to strike the right notes, they seem to be finally getting it. The new uniforms have been a hit, as has having a very talented Canadian-born, fluently bilingual GM and a very likable cast of players. The 'Winter Tour,' where players go throughout the country for charity work and to sign autographs, has attracted large crowds from Halifax and St. John's to Winnipeg and Edmonton, while the team was recently recognized by the MLB for its baseball camps around the country.

While the attendance hasn't been there, due in large part due to on-field performance, the TV ratings have been surprisingly steady, using averaging in the neighbourhood of 500,000 viewers nation-wide, more than double that of the NBA's Raptors.

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Baseball fans have been getting older for 50 years.

You look at sportswriting in the 60s, it was all about how baseball fans are getting older and the young people like pro football.

You look at sportswriting in the 70s, it was all about how baseball fans are getting older and the young people like pro football.

You look at sportswriting in the 80s, it was all about how baseball fans are getting older and the young people like basketball and pro football.

You look at sportswriting in the 90s, it was all about how baseball fans are getting older and the young people like hockey and pro football.

You look at sportswriting in the 00s, it was all about how baseball fans are getting older and the young people like pro football and basketball.

And here's baseball, an $8 bn industry (the NBA, by the way, is at about $5bn). And every generation that hits their mid-30s and starts thinking about God, their father and America starts liking baseball. Not coincidentally once that generation hits their mid-30s they stop caring about dunks.
But yet the NFL passed it completely by 1994

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Baseball fans have been getting older for 50 years.

You look at sportswriting in the 60s, it was all about how baseball fans are getting older and the young people like pro football.

You look at sportswriting in the 70s, it was all about how baseball fans are getting older and the young people like pro football.

You look at sportswriting in the 80s, it was all about how baseball fans are getting older and the young people like basketball and pro football.

You look at sportswriting in the 90s, it was all about how baseball fans are getting older and the young people like hockey and pro football.

You look at sportswriting in the 00s, it was all about how baseball fans are getting older and the young people like pro football and basketball.

And here's baseball, an $8 bn industry (the NBA, by the way, is at about $5bn). And every generation that hits their mid-30s and starts thinking about God, their father and America starts liking baseball. Not coincidentally once that generation hits their mid-30s they stop caring about dunks.
no one saying MLB is going away anytime soon.

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Until recently, post-1993, the Blue Jays have been stuck in the middle. The Yankees & Red Sox monopolized 1st & 2nd place, locking them out of ever being in the postseason. The Jays had decent seasons, but couldn't ever go anywhere. Now, it's looking like the GM's experiment is going bust as the Blue Jays are finding their way to 5th place, the Rays stopped being doormats and turned into gatecrashers, and the Orioles pulled out of their long slump and are trying to get into the groove.

It seems like baseball in Canada has been in a sad state for years. All the crap with the Expos and the Blue Jays being locked out effectively. It's sad seeing Rogers Centre so empty so often. Of course, some other teams have lackluster attendance when they've been playing well the past 2 years (White Sox, Indians come to mind), and that's not to mention the A's that are stuck in Oakland.
Attendance has been phenomenal in Toronto this season. They are averaging almost 30,000 per game for one of the worst teams in the entire league.

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Baseball fans have been getting older for 50 years.

You look at sportswriting in the 60s, it was all about how baseball fans are getting older and the young people like pro football.

You look at sportswriting in the 70s, it was all about how baseball fans are getting older and the young people like pro football.

You look at sportswriting in the 80s, it was all about how baseball fans are getting older and the young people like basketball and pro football.

You look at sportswriting in the 90s, it was all about how baseball fans are getting older and the young people like hockey and pro football.

You look at sportswriting in the 00s, it was all about how baseball fans are getting older and the young people like pro football and basketball.

And here's baseball, an $8 bn industry (the NBA, by the way, is at about $5bn). And every generation that hits their mid-30s and starts thinking about God, their father and America starts liking baseball. Not coincidentally once that generation hits their mid-30s they stop caring about dunks.
That'd be a great argument if we a.) pro football hadn't surpassed baseball both in revenue and popularity, b.) we didn't have years worth of ratings data showing MLBs slow transformation into a league where the average viewer is 55 and c.) every season didn't bring new headlines about declining ratings.

Baseball is right up there the broadcast networks and the Southern Strategy... things that clearly aren't working like they used to. It's time to address how to change that instead of hiding behind revenue numbers that clearly aren't sustainable in the long term

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no one saying MLB is going away anytime soon.
Yeah but when people have been saying for 50 years that nobody under 30 likes baseball, it gets rather tedious. Baseball's established a track record now of converting people into becoming bigger fans when they get older.

As long as baseball continues to have cheaper tickets than other sports and several months in the year when it's the only game in town, along with the unparalleled tradition and prominence in American culture, then it will be more popular.

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But yet the NFL passed it completely by 1994
Basically due to the strike and, in an assist, some bad TV deals. The NFL has had very few incompetent TV partners in the past 30 years that made people not want to watch football. IMO, only Dennis Miller and post-Dennis Miller ABC fit that bill. No network's ever really done MLB justice besides NBC. I know a lot of baseball fans that hate Fox.

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Kids born after the strike are now in college, can't keep blaming that forever

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Thank, God. Maybe I won't have MLB clogging up my TV all summer.

At the end of the day, the sport is not entertaining - more entertaining than basketball but that is not saying much.
Homer Simpson said it best when he said (after getting sober), (paraphrasing) "I never realized how boring this sport is".

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Is having a salary cap the solution?

Would there be more interest if more teams have the potential to win?


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I'd say it's oversaturation but then it was oversaturated 5 years ago too. But then we're still comparing NHL playoffs to early regular season baseball here.

To some extent this might simply be an effect of the generation for which baseball was the clear no.1 sport, often the *only* pro sport of significance, is simply dying out. The generation born in the 20s is passing on at quite high rates, the 1930s births aren't far behind.

If they started talking about the "ageing" of baseball in the late 1950s, that would make sense. At that point the "Greatest Generation" was 35-45 years old and their kids were growing up in a world with pro football on the rise.

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