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05-28-2013, 10:34 AM
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Ottawa willing to deal prospects for offense

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...ts-for-offense

I find this particularly interesting as a Sabres fan. Could Ottawa be a landing spot for Vanek? What would Send fans feel comfortable parting with? I know I would be asking for Zibanejad.


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We are not getting the quality of a prospect/young roster player that Zibanejad is in return for one season of Vanek. In any event, given that he was referring to "prospects," I doubt he was talking about a player who played a full season with their NHL club. I'm guessing that Murray was alluding to prospects like Ceci, Puempel, Noesen, Prince, and Stone--perhaps even their mid-1st rounder. The only young roster player(s) I could see on the table are Silfverberg and Wiercioch.

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I'd deal Zibby for Vanek if I knew we could re-sign him, but not for only one season.

If it's one season, I'd dish Ceci + Puempel/Conacher + 1st

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Would Ottawa really trade Zibanejad? He played at a good offensive pace while being strong defensively...

What would Ottawa give up for Cammalleri (obviously not Zibanejad).

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Would Ottawa really trade Zibanejad? He played at a good offensive pace while being strong defensively...

What would Ottawa give up for Cammalleri (obviously not Zibanejad).
With that contract? Da Costa.

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Can't see Zibanejad being traded.

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Interesting to read Murray say he likes bigger players. I already knew that, and I dont know the context, but could that mean he would be willing to flip Conacher already?

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Would Ottawa really trade Zibanejad? He played at a good offensive pace while being strong defensively...

What would Ottawa give up for Cammalleri (obviously not Zibanejad).
Something around the Ottawa 17th overall pick in the draft this year is most likely.

Ottawa 1st rounder (17th pick)

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Cammi
Calgary 3rd rounder (67th pick)

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Something around the Ottawa 17th overall pick in the draft this year is most likely.

Ottawa 1st rounder (17th pick)

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Cammi
Calgary 3rd rounder (67th pick)

Done.

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Something around the Ottawa 17th overall pick in the draft this year is most likely.

Ottawa 1st rounder (17th pick)

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Cammi
Calgary 3rd rounder (67th pick)
Cammalleri won't be coming to Ottawa..

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Can't see Zibanejad being traded.
Me neither, guys ceiling is a first line center. He's not there yet but that's his ceiling.

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Would there by any interest in Matt Moulson? He is in his contract year next year, but the man has the unquestioned ability to finish. He might have priced himself off LI after next season and there are several highly ranked prospects looking to take his place.

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We are not getting the quality of a prospect/young roster player that Zibanejad is in return for one season of Vanek. In any event, given that he was referring to "prospects," I doubt he was talking about a player who played a full season with their NHL club. I'm guessing that Murray was alluding to prospects like Ceci, Puempel, Noesen, Prince, and Stone--perhaps even their mid-1st rounder. The only young roster player(s) I could see on the table are Silfverberg and Wiercioch.
Good analysis. The only thing I'd differ on is that Silfverberg is likely not on the block, as he has shown he has top 6 upside, and I could only see him dealt in a package for a young, top line winger who would mesh well with Spezza. And he would have to be on a deal longer than one year.

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I'd deal Zibby for Vanek if I knew we could re-sign him, but not for only one season.

If it's one season, I'd dish Ceci + Puempel/Conacher + 1st
Vanek is a very good player, but really? That's 3 first rounders for one year of Vanek, who then likely walks as a UFA. No chance Murray does that, unless Vanek is locked up for several years on a good contract, and maybe not even then.

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05-28-2013, 12:07 PM
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Vanek is a very good player, but really? That's 3 first rounders for one year of Vanek, who then likely walks as a UFA. No chance Murray does that, unless Vanek is locked up for several years on a good contract, and maybe not even then.
You're not a very good marketer. : I have no doubt in my mind that we can re-sign him. We just don't let Buffalo know that.

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I think a Cammalleri deal at the TDL could make some sense for both teams if the Sens take that next step toward becoming a true contender. A 2014 1st and a C level prospect like Claesson would work for me. That or a 2nd round pick and a B level prospect like Noessen, Puempel or Prince.

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You're not a very good marketer. : I have no doubt in my mind that we can re-sign him. We just don't let Buffalo know that.
The reason he has questioned staying in Buffalo is not the money, it's us being in rebuild mode. He will re-sign if the team he is traded to appears like it is trying to win. The one year thing is being blown out of proportion because a team will trade for him if they are trying to win now and has the cap room to add him. I think it is very unlikely he will only be a one year addition for whoever gets him.

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You're not a very good marketer. : I have no doubt in my mind that we can re-sign him. We just don't let Buffalo know that.
Most Sabres fans recognize that he'll probably re-sign with the team to which he is traded. That's why it's so frustrating in these trade threads when other fanbases submit lowball offers. Vanek simply doesn't want to endure a rebuild. If he gets sent to a team that isn't rebuilding--and a rebuilding team won't trade for him given the type of assets it'd require (prospects, picks) and his contract situation--he'll probably re-sign.

I recognize that Buffalo is going to have to take a good "quantity" deal in exchange for Vanek, if they move him. Unlike some Buffalo fans who believe the Zibanejads, Scheifeles, Troubas, and Stromes of the world should be coming back in return, the Sabres can probably get a good haul of a few players that are a cut or two below those other names. Ottawa has the prospect pool to make such a deal.

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Vanek is a very good player, but really? That's 3 first rounders for one year of Vanek, who then likely walks as a UFA. No chance Murray does that, unless Vanek is locked up for several years on a good contract, and maybe not even then.
He doesn't likely walk as a UFA. Everything TV has said can be translated to: "if whatever team I'm on is a playoff squad on the upswing, I'm going to sign there and try to help them win a Cup." He wants organizational stability and consistent trips to the playoffs after a roller-coaster six years in Buffalo.

And there's no way Conacher is a first round value.

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I think a Cammalleri deal at the TDL could make some sense for both teams if the Sens take that next step toward becoming a true contender. A 2014 1st and a C level prospect like Claesson would work for me. That or a 2nd round pick and a B level prospect like Noessen, Puempel or Prince.
In your dream maybe. You're not getting a 1st or a B prospect for that Cam guy from the Sens.

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Get Tanguay for spare parts, then sign Iggy as a FA.

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I think a Cammalleri deal at the TDL could make some sense for both teams if the Sens take that next step toward becoming a true contender. A 2014 1st and a C level prospect like Claesson would work for me. That or a 2nd round pick and a B level prospect like Noessen, Puempel or Prince.
I don't think the Sens would give that much up for a rental player unless they really looked like they had a legitimate shot at the Cup.

The Sens have always gone into the draft with their first round pick. The one exception where we didn't pick in the first round is when we traded it last second for David Rundblad in 2011.

This isn't the first time the Sens have tried to land an impact, first line forward through trade. Just last summer they were in on Rick Nash, and apparently offered Columbus a package that included Robin Lehner, Mika Zibanejad and Nick Foligno. Since then Foligno has been traded and Lehner has been taken off the table. No word on Zibanejad, who had a very good rookie season.

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No way I would want to part with Zibanejad.

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