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06-20-2013, 04:12 PM
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With all these talks about trades, moving up, moving down....I still think the Canes stay at #5, end up with Monahan (or maybe Lindholm) and draft D with the 2nd/3rd round picks.

JR will then sign someone like Komisarek as a cheap defensive option, promote Murphy, and sign one of Corvo/Sanguinetti/MAB as the #7 and call it a day.

Look at JR's other moves to acquire defense in the off-season in recent years: Tanabe, Corvo (twice), Babchuk, Melichar, Alberts, Harrison or trading for Aaron Ward. About the only time in recent years he's splurged on a defenseman in the off-season, it backfired (T. Kaberle).

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06-20-2013, 04:37 PM
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My Final Top-15 Mock:

1 Colorado - MacKinnon
2 Florida - Jones
3 Tampa - Nichushkin
4 Nashville - Drouin
5 Carolina - Barkov
6 Calgary - Lindholm
7 Edmonton - Monahan
8 Buffalo - Horvat
9 NJ - Shinkaruk
10 Dallas - Wennberg
11 Philly - Nurse
12 Phoenix - Domi
13 Jets - Ristolainen
14 Islanders - Mantha
15 Buffalo - Morrisey

June 30th can't come soon enough.

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BBA, while I agree that's probably going to happen, it's also the least interesting result.

It really depends on which JR wakes up on draft day:

The JR that thought Josef Melichar was a good idea will draft Monahan and grab a 5/6th D later.

The JR that traded for Jordan Staal will trade for Marc on the draft day as well, at the cost of the pick, McBain and Rask.

The JR that signed Semin will draft Nich, figuring karma will finally balance out for all the failed Russian picks of the past

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06-20-2013, 05:10 PM
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BBA, while I agree that's probably going to happen, it's also the least interesting result.

It really depends on which JR wakes up on draft day:
Good point. Over the past couple of years, JR has bucked some of his traditional trends. Grabbing Murphy was a surprise. J.Staal wasn't too much of a surprise, but a bold move by Rutherford. Signing Semin was bucking the trend. Heck, even the Kaberle move went against the grain a bit, just didn't work out.

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06-20-2013, 05:30 PM
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Drop down to 12 for the 5. Pick up Gormley as compensation and draft Nurse or Risto.

With Faulk here and Murphy, Lowe, Carrick, Levi, Biega in the pipeline, our D problems will be solved for the next 10-15 years.

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06-20-2013, 05:36 PM
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Drop down to 12 for the 5. Pick up Gormley as compensation and draft Nurse or Risto.

With Faulk here and Murphy, Lowe, Carrick, Levi, Biega in the pipeline, our D problems will be solved for the next 10-15 years.
If this deal were on the table it is the way to go. Probably not how JR would actually go as he is in win-now mindset but a strong d-core like this would take the Canes into permanent contender territory.

Add Mark Staal to this bunch and we go from lacking top-4 D for the past half decade to a surplus.

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06-20-2013, 05:42 PM
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that all depends, if we can drop to #8, still get Nichushkin or Shinkaruk, and get Pysyk from Buffalo I think we'd do that instead.

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That was under the stipulation that Seth Jones was available.

Canes and Philly both need a D of that caliber.
I understand that, but that doesn't change my response.

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that all depends, if we can drop to #8, still get Nichushkin or Shinkaruk, and get Pysyk from Buffalo I think we'd do that instead.
Last I checked Regier was still in Buffalo. I like it but I don't think we have each other's phone numbers.

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that all depends, if we can drop to #8, still get Nichushkin or Shinkaruk, and get Pysyk from Buffalo I think we'd do that instead.
I'd prefer McNabb as more of a shutdown type, though neither are quite as good as Gormley.

Hard decision, but I'd do McNabb/Pysyk + Nichushkin over Gormley + Rostolainen.

Would be even better if they could find a way to get Petry or Smid + 7th. We'd probably have to add but it would be worth it.

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06-20-2013, 06:00 PM
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Another deal I'd absolutely fly on:

Ryan Murray + 27th
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5th + McBain

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Since our BFF trading partner seems to be Philadelphia, I see Gustafsson and the 11 for the 5.

Regardless, these scenarios make too much sense for them to actually happen.

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I'd prefer McNabb as more of a shutdown type, though neither are quite as good as Gormley.

Hard decision, but I'd do McNabb/Pysyk + Nichushkin over Gormley + Rostolainen.

Would be even better if they could find a way to get Petry or Smid + 7th. We'd probably have to add but it would be worth it.
Just because they're related doesn't mean you can't use his real name. It's NURSE.

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06-20-2013, 06:06 PM
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Just because they're related doesn't mean you can't use his real name. It's NURSE.
Most overblown connection of the century. Related by marriage, not bloodlines.

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Drop down to 12 for the 5. Pick up Gormley as compensation and draft Nurse or Risto.

With Faulk here and Murphy, Lowe, Carrick, Levi, Biega in the pipeline, our D problems will be solved for the next 10-15 years.
I'd give a 10% chance that more than one of the last four of those names become NHLers.

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06-20-2013, 06:17 PM
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I'd give a 10% chance that more than one of the last four of those names become NHLers.
Yeah, And?

With a top-4 of Nurse, Faulk, Gormley and Murphy, who the 5-6 guys are really doesn't matter.

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I'd give a 10% chance that more than one of the last four of those names become NHLers.
I'd give Beiga at least a 50% chance of being a reliable 3rd pairing D. Maybe 10% chance of being more. Plays a simple, effective two-way game based on intelligence and power. Hard to screw that up.

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06-20-2013, 06:27 PM
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Yeah, And?

With a top-4 of Nurse, Faulk, Gormley and Murphy, who the 5-6 guys are really doesn't matter.
lol. We'll be waiting until 2020 for that top 4 to be decent.

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I'd give Beiga at least a 50% chance of being a reliable 3rd pairing D. Maybe 10% chance of being more. Plays a simple, effective two-way game based on intelligence and power. Hard to screw that up.
Agreed. And I think Lowe has the potential to be that tough SOB other teams really don't want to play against.

But I guess if a prospect can't contribute at this very moment then he sucks and will never succeed.

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lol. We'll be waiting until 2020 for that top 4 to be decent.
I wouldn't be so sure. The Kings had a 22-year-old Doughty, a 22-year-old Voynov, and 23-year-old Alec Martinez taking a regular shift for them when they won the championship. Not saying it's a common sight, and they did suppliment those guys with veterans like Scuderi, Greene, and Mitchell, but it's not entirely impossible to have a productive and young Top 4 without all four guys being world beaters. Doughty being our Faulk in that scenario.... just something to think about perhaps. I tend to agree that it would be a "fantasy draft" kind of move with virtually none of those players having NHL experience, but to say it would take more than a couple of years for that group to make an impact might be selling them short.

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Agreed. And I think Lowe has the potential to be that tough SOB other teams really don't want to play against.

But I guess if a prospect can't contribute at this very moment then he sucks and will never succeed.
Lowe excites me in the sense of being a bottom pairing ******* in the not too distant future. But there again, I thought Austin Levi would be the one to make that transition. I just can't see what is wrong with him. Prospect blindspot for me apparently. Lots of tools.

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Am I the only one that would take Zadorov over Nurse?

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Am I the only one that would take Zadorov over Nurse?
I'd go Ristolainen, Zadorov, Nurse... In that order.

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I'd go Ristolainen, Zadorov, Nurse... In that order.
I don't know, I still think I would go:

Jones Zadorov Rist Nurse.

I have this odd feeling that Zadorov will be the best d man taken in the 1st.

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Since our BFF trading partner seems to be Philadelphia, I see Gustafsson and the 11 for the 5.

Regardless, these scenarios make too much sense for them to actually happen.
Little surprised to see this as a Flyers fan. How high are you on Gustafsson? Flyers fans always planned for him to be Timonen's replacement, but at this point in his career I'd still say he's a bottom pairing guy. He was great at the World Championships though and played a lot of minutes.

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