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Ryan Miller Sweepstakes: Who's In?

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05-30-2013, 11:14 AM
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Is it still a sweepstakes if no one enters?
I could see Edmonton or even Washington making a bid on him.

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05-30-2013, 11:16 AM
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I could see Edmonton or even Washington making a bid on him.
I can't see Washington. Holtby has been solid so far in his young career.

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05-30-2013, 11:17 AM
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Roy said Varly is the Avs goalie for the future and the Avs aren't trading for Miller.
I haven't seen this, but giving such an endorsement to a guy who played at sub-replacement player level this past year is...odd.

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05-30-2013, 11:21 AM
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I can't see Washington. Holtby has been solid so far in his young career.
Miller when he's on his game, could put them over the top, especially if they make some moves to assure their depth on D in the off-season.

Holtby is not ready to be the Caps #1 goalie yet.

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05-30-2013, 11:22 AM
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I can't imagine the person to whom I was responding was referring to a possible extension. Additionally, addressing the cap implications of a Miller extension is entirely speculative and not worthwhile because (a) we don't know how much his extension will be worth, or (b) what the cap will look like for 2014-15.
In one of my first posts, I pointed out Staples comments regarding Miller/Vanek, how the isles don't want to pay their big extension salaries.

Miller makes $6.5m and Vanek makes $7m+. I don't expect either to take significant paycuts on their extensions.

The isles don't spend anywhere close to the cap ceiling. They are among the lowest spenders in the NHL, so what the 2014-2015 cap will look like, isn''t a factor. For the isles, it only matters what their expected budget will look like.

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I haven't seen this, but giving such an endorsement to a guy who played at sub-replacement player level this past year is...odd.
Patty daid it during an interview with TVA-sports and our mod Frenchy brought it up on the Avs boards.

Varlamov was great at the start of the last season, stole a number of games and kept the Avs in others, he fell apart as the season went on just as the rest of the team save for PAP and Duchene. He showed he can play in the KHL where he had by far the highest save percentage and in the 11/12 season for the Avs.

Roy's faith in Varly can be odd only to those not familiar with the state of the Avalanche.

And once again people who think the Avs would trade away a valuable asset for a goalie who has only one year left on his deal are out to lunch.

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05-30-2013, 11:31 AM
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I still think Miller will be part of a package to Colorado for the no. 1 pick.

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05-30-2013, 11:34 AM
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I still think Miller will be part of a package to Colorado for the no. 1 pick.
Hope you think quite a bit more assets will be following him.

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I still think Miller will be part of a package to Colorado for the no. 1 pick.
Nope, strongly disagree with you on this one.

They have Varly now and Pickard in the very near future, they are solidified with their goal tending for a few years at least. The depth on their wings and defense, that's another story....

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Hope you think quite a bit more assets will be following him.
Of course.

Miller + Grigorenko + Sekera + 8 + 16 for 1st overall + Jones

Or something along those lines.

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I still think Miller will be part of a package to Colorado for the no. 1 pick.
Thanks for a laugh.

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Nope, strongly disagree with you on this one.

They have Varly now and Pickard in the very near future, they are solidified with their goal tending for a few years at least. The depth on their wings and defense, that's another story....
Varly's .908 save % and over 3 GAA must make the new Avs management, who didnt acquire him, extremely confident.

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Varly's .908 save % and over 3 GAA must make the new Avs management, who didnt acquire him, extremely confident.
Look at the team/defense in front of him.

Stats aren't everything either, you should know that by now.

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Varly's .908 save % and over 3 GAA must make the new Avs management, who didnt acquire him, extremely confident.
Yep, and Miller's 2.81 gaa will completely turn them around. Stats for goalies on crap teams are never good.

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I still think Miller will be part of a package to Colorado for the no. 1 pick.
No goalie would be involved in a trade for that pick.

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Look at the team/defense in front of him.

Stats aren't everything either, you should know that by now.
Miller played on the WORST puck possession team in the league and still put up significantly better numbers. Why? Because he is a significantly better goalie. The premise that Colorado wouldn't want to upgrade in net because they have Varlamov is ridiculous.

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Miller played on the WORST puck possession team in the league and still put up significantly better numbers. Why? Because he is a significantly better goalie. The premise that Colorado wouldn't want to upgrade in net because they have Varlamov is ridiculous.
My only thing is why would Miller accept a trade to Colorado and why would Colorado who still needs to add pieces trade for an aging goalie when they will be in a division that they will initially struggle in.

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Look at the team/defense in front of him.

Stats aren't everything either, you should know that by now.
And look at the team in front of Miller. If anything, they were worse than the Avs, but the record doesn't reflect that. Why? Because Miller is a better goalie.

Miller was the league's leader in shots against and saves. He played only 5 more games than Varly, but faced over 250 more shots and still has better counting numbers.

Plus if we're playing the team influences goalie stats game, why don't you name one player on the Sabres roster that's as good defensively as O'Reilly? You can't, because there definitely isn't one. Both of these teams blew this year. If anything, the Avs are more talented than Buffalo.

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My only thing is why would Miller accept a trade to Colorado and why would Colorado who still needs to add pieces trade for an aging goalie when they will be in a division that they will initially struggle in.
Miller has another 5-6 years of quality hockey in front of him, IMO. Goalies can play for a long time. I believe that the deal, or one similar to the one I proposed allows them to fill many of those holes much faster. You get Miller, a top 4 defenseman in Sekera, Duchene, ROR and Landeskog mature by a year, Grigorenko has a year of development under his belt, plus two good 1st rounders to fill out much needed depth... IMO, this is a team that should be set to compete immediately with the right personnel tweaking.

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Miller has another 5-6 years of quality hockey in front of him, IMO. Goalies can play for a long time. I believe that the deal, or one similar to the one I proposed allows them to fill many of those holes much faster. You get Miller, a top 4 defenseman in Sekera, Duchene, ROR and Landeskog mature by a year... IMO, this is a team that should be set to compete immediately with the right personnel tweaking.
They need the stud #1 in Jones more. Johnson isn't that. I really like Sekera, but they have a bunch of puck movers coming up. That trade would not put them above Chicago or St. Louis and there's Minnesota as well.

And I seriously doubt that offer would ever be made from Buffalo's point of view.

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And look at the team in front of Miller. If anything, they were worse than the Avs, but the record doesn't reflect that. Why? Because Miller is a better goalie.

Miller was the league's leader in shots against and saves. He played only 5 more games than Varly, but faced over 250 more shots and still has better counting numbers.

Plus if we're playing the team influences goalie stats game, why don't you name one player on the Sabres roster that's as good defensively as O'Reilly? You can't, because there definitely isn't one. Both of these teams blew this year. If anything, the Avs are more talented than Buffalo.
O'Reilly who wasn't on the team for half the season?

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They need the stud #1 in Jones more. Johnson isn't that. I really like Sekera, but they have a bunch of puck movers coming up. That trade would not put them above Chicago or St. Louis and there's Minnesota as well.

And I seriously doubt that offer would ever be made from Buffalo's point of view.
Well, they will have to decide which makes more sense, but I do believe the Sabres are willing to put together a package like that, maybe even better based on Regier's comments about getting to the top of the draft. It's pretty clear they have put together a treasure trove of assets within the last few years. They have numerous draft picks his year and next, many young prospects and players, and vets that they want to move (Vanek, Miller). A lot of possibilities.

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I still think Miller will be part of a package to Colorado for the no. 1 pick.
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Of course.

Miller + Grigorenko + Sekera + 8 + 16 for 1st overall + Jones

Or something along those lines.
I agree - and I think Stastny would be an element coming back to Buffalo, not only to fill their short-term center need but to help the salary cap hit be more manageable for Colorado.

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My only thing is why would Miller accept a trade to Colorado and why would Colorado who still needs to add pieces trade for an aging goalie when they will be in a division that they will initially struggle in.
On Miller's side, playing for Roy - and the winning attitude that he and Sakic are bringing to a young team like Colorado - seems very plausible as a reason he'd welcome a trade there.

And on the Avs side, sure, Miller's age can be seen as a short-term fix but it wouldn't be the first time that a young team relies on a solid veteran goalie to help bridge the gap and buffer the pressure while their young players learn and develop. Roy & Sakic might see Miller as a way to keep them competitive, take pressure off their younger players and be a leader in their locker room.

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