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05-30-2013, 12:00 AM
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Clarkson... another former Devil? no thanks, and he will be way overpaid.
I'd much rather play Clarkson then pay an injury prone Ryane Clowe. He is a much better hockey player right now.

Here is a decent article from InLouWeTrust on why the Devils should keep Clarkson at all costs:

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I'm personally coming around to the idea that I'd rather have Clarkson stay even if it takes Scott Hartnell money (but not the term) to do it. The Devils would be better off generating more shots as a team and a guy like Clarkson helps immensely with that. Clarkson fired away with recklessness at times and the team was still in the ditch in terms of SF/60 and SOG/GP until that final month of the 2013 season. This makes Clarkson more valuable, not less. Of course, Clarkson and his representation knows this and that's why it's going to be up to them to decide what they do this summer.
http://www.inlouwetrust.com/2013/5/1...wards-by-shots

Since everyone goes all gaga for toughness, why not bring in a tough and gritty player that ALSO plays a puck possession game? Clarkson should be the team's #1 target.

Of course, I question how much he is carried by Patrik Elias, but I think we can emulate that same sort of puck possession with Burmistrov on his line. This to me, is an ideal 3rd line for a contending roster alongside Callahan. They'll never lose possession battles! Best defense is preventing other team from taking shots.

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05-30-2013, 12:03 AM
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Clarkson isn't worth that much money. He's a 3rd liner.

Kreider and 2nd for Burmistrov is not a good move. The Rangers probably wouldn't need to trade Kreider to get Burmistrov, anyway. Something round DZ for Burmy+ makes a lot more sense.
I'll take Postma as the +.

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http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1436775

Nice to get some differing opinions on this years free agents

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Clarkson isn't worth that much money. He's a 3rd liner.

Kreider and 2nd for Burmistrov is not a good move. The Rangers probably wouldn't need to trade Kreider to get Burmistrov, anyway. Something round DZ for Burmy+ makes a lot more sense.
Clarkson has really elevated his game the past few seasons. He is no longer a 3rd line player. He scored 30 goals last season and was on pace for 25 goals again this year. He is a super complimentary player that bring intangibles. He is the perfect 3rd line player and a very adequate 2nd line player.

I am somewhat confused with your stance on Burmistrov. You are stating that it wouldn't take Kreider to get Burmistrov, but somehow Del Zotto, a more valuable piece than Kreider, is being offered in return?

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Since everyone goes all gaga for toughness, why not bring in a tough and gritty player that ALSO plays a puck possession game? Clarkson should be the team's #1 target.

I don't hate Clarkson. I hate the contract he'll demand and get.

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05-30-2013, 12:06 AM
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I'd much rather play Clarkson then pay an injury prone Ryane Clowe. He is a much better hockey player right now.

Here is a decent article from InLouWeTrust on why the Devils should keep Clarkson at all costs:



http://www.inlouwetrust.com/2013/5/1...wards-by-shots

Since everyone goes all gaga for toughness, why not bring in a tough and gritty player that ALSO plays a puck possession game? Clarkson should be the team's #1 target.

Of course, I question how much he is carried by Patrik Elias, but I think we can emulate that same sort of puck possession with Burmistrov on his line. This to me, is an ideal 3rd line for a contending roster alongside Callahan. They'll never lose possession battles! Best defense is preventing other team from taking shots.
Clowe at 3M is better than Clarkson at 4M+.
Clarkson at 3M is better than Clowe at 3M.

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05-30-2013, 12:07 AM
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Clarkson isn't worth that much money. He's a 3rd liner.

Kreider and 2nd for Burmistrov is not a good move. The Rangers probably wouldn't need to trade Kreider to get Burmistrov, anyway. Something round DZ for Burmy+ makes a lot more sense.

how about Del Zotto Boyle and 2ed in 2014 to Jets for Mark Stuart and Burmistrov???



Stuart can be the physical toughness type to mentor McIlrath.. it would be easier for McILrath if he came to the NYR with the same type of dman on the roster to help his game along..

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I don't hate Clarkson. I hate the contract he'll demand and get.
People seem content with throwing Clowe 4m per, so I am a bit puzzled why 4.2 is considered overpayment for Clarkson, when Clarkson has been the much better player recently.

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I am somewhat confused with your stance on Burmistrov. You are stating that it wouldn't take Kreider to get Burmistrov, but somehow Del Zotto, a more valuable piece than Kreider, is being offered in return?

Couple proposals on here I've seen were Burmistrov and 1st for MDZ. Not straight up.

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People seem content with throwing Clowe 4m per, so I am a bit puzzled why 4.2 is considered overpayment for Clarkson, when Clarkson has been the much better player recently.

I think Clarkson gets closer to 5. I'd be happy with 4 mill for Clowe if it's a 1 year deal. Maybe 2. No more than that.

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Clarkson has really elevated his game the past few seasons. He is no longer a 3rd line player. He scored 30 goals last season and was on pace for 25 goals again this year. He is a super complimentary player that bring intangibles. He is the perfect 3rd line player and a very adequate 2nd line player.
We're paying a third liner $4M+ now? He's going to get an upwards of $5M. One 30 goal season, where he had a career high shooting percentage. Five goals in his final 30 games this season.

It reeks of disaster. Worse than the Kotalik signing. Ideally, he's a third line, 15-20 goal player. Not a player you pay $4M-$5M, which he's going to get. Would much rather sign Clowe.

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I am somewhat confused with your stance on Burmistrov. You are stating that it wouldn't take Kreider to get Burmistrov, but somehow Del Zotto, a more valuable piece than Kreider, is being offered in return?
DZ is being offered because the Rangers have a ridiculous blueline, whereas at wing, it's not the case. Kreider is more of a necessity for this team than DZ is.

You get Burmistrov + more in return for DZ. That's why.

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05-30-2013, 12:11 AM
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didnt Gorton had a say in drafting Stuart on the Bruins?? if any trade with the Jets involving Del Zotto i bet Stuart is involved...

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Clowe at 3M is better than Clarkson at 4M+.
Clarkson at 3M is better than Clowe at 3M.
This is what I strongly disagree with.

Even if Clowe is asking for 1m discount from the Rangers(Highly doubt it), I'd much rather overpay Clarkson by 1mil. The reason? I'd rather have take the 2nd rounder and the better, healthier player for absorbing 1m more on the cap.

And it's all hypothetical that Clowe is asking for less than Clarkson.

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05-30-2013, 12:14 AM
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Couple proposals on here I've seen were Burmistrov and 1st for MDZ. Not straight up.
I am not sure how that will help the Rangers right now. Especially if Staal's injury is severe. And he can possibly break down at any moment. I do not agree with trading the team's 3rd best minute muncher (in Staal's absence) for a 3rd line center. Relying too much on Moore, a very inexperienced defender may be a disaster.

The Rangers defense core without say MDZ and Staal looks like this:

McDonagh-Girardi
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Yuck.

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05-30-2013, 12:17 AM
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Clowe will get less than Clarkson. Clowe has injury history going against him.

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This is what I strongly disagree with.

Even if Clowe is asking for 1m discount from the Rangers(Highly doubt it), I'd much rather overpay Clarkson by 1mil. The reason? I'd rather have take the 2nd rounder and the better, healthier player for absorbing 1m more on the cap.

And it's all hypothetical that Clowe is asking for less than Clarkson.
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“I’m not exactly sure what a pay cut would be, but I’m open to negotiating to find a way to stay here,” Clowe said. “I enjoyed it here. You start to build a little bit of a bond with the team and the guys.

“Everyone wants to win in New York. It’d be great.”
That tells me 3M is the ballpark. That obviously assumes he is healthy.
Like I said before, you have a valid point about the 2nd rd pick. I struggled with it, but I decided he is what this team needs and he likes it in NY, hence it's worth it.
If Clarkson wants something around 3.5M, I'd strongly consider that. But no more.

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That tells me 3M is the ballpark. That obviously assumes he is healthy.
Like I said before, you have a valid point about the 2nd rd pick. I struggled with it, but I decided he is what this team needs and he likes it in NY, hence it's worth it.
If Clarkson wants something around 3.5M, I'd strongly consider that. But no more.

for some reason i bet Clarkson takes the big contract he gets... it will be his first time as an UFA..players like him tend to break down quicker by the style he plays..

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We're paying a third liner $4M+ now? He's going to get an upwards of $5M. One 30 goal season, where he had a career high shooting percentage. Five goals in his final 30 games this season.

It reeks of disaster. Worse than the Kotalik signing. Ideally, he's a third line, 15-20 goal player. Not a player you pay $4M-$5M, which he's going to get. Would much rather sign Clowe.



DZ is being offered because the Rangers have a ridiculous blueline, whereas at wing, it's not the case. Kreider is more of a necessity for this team than DZ is.

You get Burmistrov + more in return for DZ. That's why.

i bet something like this gets done...


Del Zotto Boyle and 2ed in 2014 to Jets for Mark Stuart and Burmistrov??? and NO i dont want BIG BUFF or Enstrom... overpaid and overrated

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I would make some slight changes to the forward corps heading into next season. (Realistically)

Amnesty Richards.

Trade LW Chris Kreider and a 2014 2nd Round Pick in exchange for C Alexander Burmistrov.

Sign David Clarkson to a 5 year deal worth 21mil.

Sign Dainus Zubrus to a 2 yr deal worth 7 mil.

Hagelin-Stepan-Nash (55% Offensive Zone Starts)
Zuccarello-Brassard-Zubrus (70% Offensive Zone Starts)
Clarkson-Burmistrov-Callahan (45% Offensive Zone Starts)
Pyatt-Boyle-Dorsett (15% Offensive Zone Starts)
I'd love Burmistrov but that's an AWFUL trade. He already wants out of the Peg so he can be acquired for cheap, it's been suggested MDZ for Burmi and a first or second. Awesome idea imo. Also, no Clarkson please. Gonna get massively overpaid by some team and I surely hope it isn't NYR.

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for some reason i bet Clarkson takes the big contract he gets... it will be his first time as an UFA..players like him tend to break down quicker by the style he plays..
Yeah, he will be overpaid as soon as he signs.

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We're paying a third liner $4M+ now? He's going to get an upwards of $5M. One 30 goal season, where he had a career high shooting percentage. Five goals in his final 30 games this season.
1. David Clarkson had a career year shooting percentage last year at 13.3%, but this year, it was below his career average of 9.4% at 8.3%. If he shot at his career average, he would've scored 17 goals. Those 17 goals pro-rate to around 30th in the league in goal scoring, while bringing in the toughness enamor and gritty forecheck to his game.

2. Clarkson-Burmistrov-Callahan line I suggested will play 3rd line minutes, it's just the formation of the lineup. In my vision, I view them as getting the 2nd most line minutes besides the Hagelin-Stepan-Nash line. A top checking unit against other team's top lines, not used to primarily score, but to shut down opposing lines. The Zuccarello line on the other hand, will get softer minutes to try to create offense each shift in opposing team's end.

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It reeks of disaster. Worse than the Kotalik signing. Ideally, he's a third line, 15-20 goal player. Not a player you pay $4M-$5M, which he's going to get. Would much rather sign Clowe.
I am not sure how Clarkson is related to Kotalik. Vastly different players. Kotalik has been a glorified PP specialist for a large portion of his career. Clarkson is a dominant possession ES player. I am still confused why it's okay to give Clowe 4m+, but not Clarkson. Despite Clarkson being the better player in recent years.

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DZ is being offered because the Rangers have a ridiculous blueline, whereas at wing, it's not the case. Kreider is more of a necessity for this team than DZ is.

You get Burmistrov + more in return for DZ. That's why.
Refer to my reply to darko. I think the addition of Clarkson, the emergence of Zuccarello and Hagelin makes Kreider a perfectly moveable asset in return for Burmistrov. But, it's just my opinions.

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I am somewhat confused with your stance on Burmistrov. You are stating that it wouldn't take Kreider to get Burmistrov, but somehow Del Zotto, a more valuable piece than Kreider, is being offered in return?
DZ is expendable. He played awful this season and even worse in the postseason. He isn't going to succeed here, the things that are wrong with his game are things you can't fix. He has a horrible hockey IQ and he's really slow. MDZ for Burmi straight up would be a great deal, but we have leverage for a 1st or 2nd cause Burmi's value is so low right now. Going forward, Kreider is more valuable.

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DZ is expendable. He played awful this season and even worse in the postseason. He isn't going to succeed here, the things that are wrong with his game are things you can't fix. He has a horrible hockey IQ and he's really slow. MDZ for Burmi straight up would be a great deal, but we have leverage for a 1st or 2nd cause Burmi's value is so low right now. Going forward, Kreider is more valuable.

He was pretty good last season.

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i bet something like this gets done...


Del Zotto Boyle and 2ed in 2014 to Jets for Mark Stuart and Burmistrov??? and NO i dont want BIG BUFF or Enstrom... overpaid and overrated
I'd take Enstrom on my team in a heartbeat. The Rangers don't have a single player, forward or defenseman, that even approaches Enstrom in the ability to create offense for others.

He's not overpaid or overrated, but he is injury prone. I'd love him, though. The Rangers haven't had a player of Enstrom's offensive ability on the blueline since Leetch. Del Zotto doesn't even come close.

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He was pretty good last season.
yep and he responded by being abysmal. He had that stretch this season where Staal went down and he played very well, but after that he was 100% a liability. This inconsistency stuff from him is getting old, I really think he's expendable at this point.

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