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Amnesty Volchenkov or Salvador?

View Poll Results: Which Player do you Buyout?
Anton Volchenkov 108 59.67%
Bryce Salvador 73 40.33%
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05-29-2013, 03:29 PM
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It's funny that a year ago people were calling DATW crazy for wanting to banish Volchenkov out of here. I didn't think he was crazy, but I didn't think Volchenkov was a big deal either.

Now almost everyone wants him gone.

86% of people who participated in this poll to be exact.

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05-29-2013, 03:36 PM
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We need a major influx of young defensemen. I'd say unload both, do NOT re-sign Zids, bring in Gelinas, Urbom and Merrill. Think I'm crazy? Look what Boston's rookie D-men are doing in the playoffs. Don't think our rookie D are as good? Come on....

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05-29-2013, 03:38 PM
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We need a major influx of young defensemen. I'd say unload both, do NOT re-sign Zids, bring in Gelinas, Urbom and Merrill. Think I'm crazy? Look what Boston's rookie D-men are doing in the playoffs. Don't think our rookie D are as good? Come on....
It's just too much of a gamble to play 3 rookies... especially with a coach that has a hard on for veterans, so it seems. That and I can never invision Lou wanting a roster that consists of 3 rookie blueliners.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't see it from LL

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05-29-2013, 03:43 PM
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Yes Craig Billington, our offense was the problem more than the D.

Having Volchenkov eating up $4.2 million of cap space though kinda handcuffs us.

You gonna tell me you wouldn't rather have a forward making that than Volchenkov making that?

To put things into perspective there were 3 players on this team that had a higher cap hit than Volchenkov last year. Kovalchuk, Elias, and Brodeur. I think Zajac's real dollar salary was like $4.5 or something so that's 4 players making more on this team than he was.
No - his contract is an albatross, you are right. It doesn't handcuff us, though, unless Lou has a spending limit. We have plenty of cap space.

I am worried about the length of the contract - so, like you said - Volch is a good buyout candidate - but I don't know if the guy deserves the rain of hate, and for someone to go out of his way to call him 'Kremlin Kone' at every instance.

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There's not one soul that will convince me that Anton is actually a asset to our team. He's draging our blueline down and Salvador is not too far behind but I can actually give him a break since he's older and his body is probably worn out by now.
That's fine - I just disagree with your opinion.

Given the contract aspects of it - I can see a buyout. I just don't think he is nearly as bad as you make him out to be - and if you sat and watched just him play, you'd see:

lots of plays broken up before they ever get started

lots of bodies hit along the boards

lots of pucks taken away from opposing players

I just watched a couple of games last night, and he was our best defenseman not named Zidlicky or Greene.

He had a couple of terrible games that he ended up screening Marty or blowing a tire or getting smoked - so he looked absolutely terrible in those cases. I can picture the screen of Marty in particular.

But every other defensemen not named Greene had crap games too.

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It's funny that a year ago people were calling DATW crazy for wanting to banish Volchenkov out of here. I didn't think he was crazy, but I didn't think Volchenkov was a big deal either.

Now almost everyone wants him gone.

86% of people who participated in this poll to be exact.
The poll didn't have a 'don't buyout anyone'. It was either or.

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That's fine - I just disagree with your opinion.

Given the contract aspects of it - I can see a buyout. I just don't think he is nearly as bad as you make him out to be - and if you sat and watched just him play, you'd see:

lots of plays broken up before they ever get started

lots of bodies hit along the boards

lots of pucks taken away from opposing players

I just watched a couple of games last night, and he was our best defenseman not named Zidlicky or Greene.

He had a couple of terrible games that he ended up screening Marty or blowing a tire or getting smoked - so he looked absolutely terrible in those cases. I can picture the screen of Marty in particular.

But every other defensemen not named Greene had crap games too.
I can live with the fact that you don't think he's as bad as I do, you have your own opinion and I'll respect that.

I just don't think someone who's getting the least amount of ice time out of our entire blueline (all situations combined) is worth the deal he's getting and is worth the roster spot he's taking when we can be dressing a rookie who can bring a aspect of his game to our team we've been missing since Rafalski bolted to Detroit... offensive production.

Gélinas might not be able to translate his point production he had at the AHL level to the NHL but he can at least shoot bombs from the point and that's something we've been missing... shots from the points that actually reach the net and crashing the net for garbage goals.

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I just don't think someone who's getting the least amount of ice time out of our entire blueline (all situations combined) is worth the deal he's getting and is worth the roster spot he's taking when we can be dressing a rookie who can bring a aspect of his game to our team we've been missing since Rafalski bolted to Detroit... offensive production.
Can't argue with any of this.

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I absolutely HATE the amnesty buyout.

That said, I'm not sure I'd use either of the amnesty buyouts were I the Devils. Maybe I'd use one of Volchenkov, but even then I'd wait until next year.

My answer at this point would be, "Dont buy anyone out".

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The cap space is irrelevant but the actual dollars and the roster spot aren't. If we're on a budget, then there's no way we should be paying a #6 d-man 4.25M$ per for the next 3 years.

We basically have a 3rd pairing that is eating over 7M$ per... that's just insane right there
But you are still paying most of that money in a buyout. It's mostly about roster spot. And if Venderbeek is willing, cap space.

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I can live with the fact that you don't think he's as bad as I do, you have your own opinion and I'll respect that.

I just don't think someone who's getting the least amount of ice time out of our entire blueline
(all situations combined) is worth the deal he's getting and is worth the roster spot he's taking when we can be dressing a rookie who can bring a aspect of his game to our team we've been missing since Rafalski bolted to Detroit... offensive production.

Gélinas might not be able to translate his point production he had at the AHL level to the NHL but he can at least shoot bombs from the point and that's something we've been missing... shots from the points that actually reach the net and crashing the net for garbage goals.
Well, without looking that up, if that is true, does that not fly in the face of the idea that Deboer relies too heavily on vet's such as volch?

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I absolutely HATE the amnesty buyout.

That said, I'm not sure I'd use either of the amnesty buyouts were I the Devils. Maybe I'd use one of Volchenkov, but even then I'd wait until next year.

My answer at this point would be, "Dont buy anyone out".
doesn't it have to be this year?

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no, this offseason or next.

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If I had to choose I would amnesty Volchenkov. My preference is to cut both of them and free up $7M+. I'd play Larsson, Greene, Urbom/Gelinas/Burlon, and Merrill. I'd use Fayne and 1 or 2 of Urbom/Gelinas/Burlon in a trade or trades to improve the club and I'd use some of that $7M saved to sign a FA defenseman better than both Sal and Volchenkov.

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I don't think Merrill is ready for the NHL yet. still needs another year in Albany.

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I don't think Merrill is ready for the NHL yet. still needs another year in Albany.
Definitely want him to get time in the AHL.

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If I had to choose I would amnesty Volchenkov. My preference is to cut both of them and free up $7M+. I'd play Larsson, Greene, Urbom/Gelinas/Burlon, and Merrill. I'd use Fayne and 1 or 2 of Urbom/Gelinas/Burlon in a trade or trades to improve the club and I'd use some of that $7M saved to sign a FA defenseman better than both Sal and Volchenkov.
What FA defenseman? The list of availables is not impressive, and in many cases signing one will put you in the same mess a year from now.

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I don't care if we have the same D. I want them to not have 8 so that we dont have the same issues as this past year but I know its going to happen. I am more worried about the forwards.

yea, it'd be nice to have a kid or two back there this year, but as long as Greene, Larsson, and Fayne are playing every night thats all I care about.

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What FA defenseman? The list of availables is not impressive, and in many cases signing one will put you in the same mess a year from now.
Wade Redden is UFA, as are former Devils Matt Taormina and Kurtis Foster.

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Wade Redden is UFA, as are former Devils Matt Taormina and Kurtis Foster.
I hope this was sarcasm.

I think this was sarcasm.

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I don't want Tao back just for the simple fact that I hated how Kevin Clark said his name.

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I thought Foster got a 2 year contract from the Flyers?

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What FA defenseman? The list of availables is not impressive, and in many cases signing one will put you in the same mess a year from now.
We can't sign any RFA's?

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i want them both gone

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