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05-29-2013, 08:41 AM
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Perron, Schmaltz, + for Thornton?

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05-29-2013, 08:45 AM
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Done. I'd do that in a heartbeat, the Leafs need another D-man and a number 1 center. If the Sharks start to re-tool, I think it's time Nonis and the Leafs took the next step in this puzzle and gave up something for a Thornton or Boyle.
Boyle is 36 years old making 6.6 mill and is a UFA in a year. He isn't worth our 1st, even though its late.

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To Florida, Joe Thorton for Weiss, Fleischmann, and Florida's 1st round! Would you do it?

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05-29-2013, 08:51 AM
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To Florida, Joe Thorton for Weiss, Fleischmann, and Florida's 1st round! Would you do it?
This years first? I would do Thornton+ for the first alone.

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05-29-2013, 08:55 AM
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A bluechip prospect + 1st would be a good start.
I'm assuming it would end there, as well.

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05-29-2013, 08:57 AM
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Done. I'd do that in a heartbeat, the Leafs need another D-man and a number 1 center. If the Sharks start to re-tool, I think it's time Nonis and the Leafs took the next step in this puzzle and gave up something for a Thornton or Boyle.
Wow. Another Toronto fan wanting to trade away a 1st round pick for a guy who's going to be 37 next season.

That's the type of trade you make when you're already a contender or a borderline one. We're not. This is classic sacrifice the future just so we can be marginally better at the present. Bad idea.

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05-29-2013, 09:18 AM
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To Florida, Joe Thorton for Weiss, Fleischmann, and Florida's 1st round! Would you do it?
That isn't a serious offer, neh? Sharks jump all over that.

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05-29-2013, 09:30 AM
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I'd say the Sharks have about 2 years left. After that, they'll start to trade away Thornton, Marleau, etc.

A team lead by Vlasic, Burns, Couture might drop a bit, but won't go full terrible.

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05-29-2013, 11:21 AM
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Wow. Another Toronto fan wanting to trade away a 1st round pick for a guy who's going to be 37 next season.

That's the type of trade you make when you're already a contender or a borderline one. We're not. This is classic sacrifice the future just so we can be marginally better at the present. Bad idea.
Yea, no chance Nonis and co trade our 1st this year for Dan Boyle, who's getting way too old for our core, is a rental, and isn't an ideal partner for Phaneuf anyways. It's simply not a necessity. Only partner we'd be interested in is Brent Burns but the price may be too high.

As for Thornton, it's perfectly reasonable for Shark fans to ask for Rielly but I don't think Nonis would do that. Thornton is a great luxury to have but I think at this point, Nonis would rather stand pat and stick with the status quo to see if Kadri can fill that role and/or sign guys like Weiss/a bought out Richards without giving up that asset.

Realistically, the most we can offer a 33 year old Joe (whom would a rental for us, although I'd be confident that he'd resign here) would be something like:

Grabo + Mac/Bozak's rights + our 1st this year + Biggs/Percy/Colborne/Frattin/Finn

I think the only scenario where Nonis would give up Rielly would be if Burns was added to Joe, I still don't think he'd do it but we'd also have to add salary back in that scenario.

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05-29-2013, 11:36 AM
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Sharks should trade Thorton , can you imagine! The Kings would eat the sharks for dinner without Thorton centering their first line. No way they trade Jumbo Joe as long as LA has that depth up the middle.

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05-29-2013, 11:37 AM
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Sharks should trade Thorton , can you imagine! The Kings would eat the sharks for dinner without Thorton centering their first line. No way they trade Jumbo Joe as long as LA has that depth up the middle.
The Sharks don't care about that one team, they might be re-building soon.
And thorton choked anyway

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05-29-2013, 11:52 AM
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You better care, new alignment next year bud, you need to get past us again if you want to go anywhere deep in the playoffs. Your worst nightmare just came true if Thorton is gone. Thorton was your best player in this series besides Niemi. One more year till your "core" reaches UFA status. that's when u will blow it up.

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05-29-2013, 12:01 PM
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You better care, new alignment next year bud, you need to get past us again if you want to go anywhere deep in the playoffs. Your worst nightmare just came true if Thorton is gone. Thorton was your best player in this series besides Niemi. One more year till your "core" reaches UFA status. that's when u will blow it up.
This.

The only players the Sharks will look to move right now is Havlat or Boyle. But they may hang on to both of them.

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05-29-2013, 12:01 PM
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Although, if you were going to trade Jumbo, St. Louis as a destination makes a lot of sense for both teams.

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05-29-2013, 12:03 PM
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You better care, new alignment next year bud, you need to get past us again if you want to go anywhere deep in the playoffs. Your worst nightmare just came true if Thorton is gone. Thorton was your best player in this series besides Niemi. One more year till your "core" reaches UFA status. that's when u will blow it up.

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05-29-2013, 12:27 PM
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I said it a few months ago and got blasted for it by Sharks fans but the Sharks need to get rid of Havlat (even if means just giving him away).

The biggest benefit of trading Havlat will be cap space but the Sharks would get little to nothing in return cause he's overpaid for what he now brings (or doesn't bring) to the ice at a 5 million cap hit.

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05-29-2013, 12:51 PM
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I said it a few months ago and got blasted for it by Sharks fans but the Sharks need to get rid of Havlat (even if means just giving him away).

The biggest benefit of trading Havlat will be cap space but the Sharks would get little to nothing in return cause he's overpaid for what he now brings (or doesn't bring) to the ice at a 5 million cap hit.
There is a ton of discussion about this on the shark board, but, haven't seen anyway the team gets better? Keep in mind, the Sharks haven't acquired a top 6 forward in...god have we ever. Havlat, Heatley, Selanne, Nolan, Ricci, Ekman, Sundstrom, all trades.

Best forward free agent forward signings since '98:
S. Thornton
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Malhotra
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05-29-2013, 01:03 PM
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From what I understand Marleau's wife has no intention of letting him leave SJ. I think with the money he's already made, he'd more likely stay or cheap than leave for money / cup opportunities. Just my gut instinct.

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05-29-2013, 01:08 PM
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I honestly think after their current contracts, Thornton, Marleau, and Boyle will resign much cheaper to take on secondary roles with the team. All 3 have made it pretty clear they do not want to leave SJ, the city, not the team. I don't think they want to uproot their families...but HF never considers the fact that players have outside circumstances.

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I said it a few months ago and got blasted for it by Sharks fans but the Sharks need to get rid of Havlat (even if means just giving him away).

The biggest benefit of trading Havlat will be cap space but the Sharks would get little to nothing in return cause he's overpaid for what he now brings (or doesn't bring) to the ice at a 5 million cap hit.
Having cap space isn't a benefit if you're not going to use it. We don't have use for it because we can't sign top-6 free agents and don't have the assets to trade for one. If by some miracle we manage to acquire one, then buyout Havlat at that point, not before it.

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05-29-2013, 01:38 PM
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What would it take to get Wingels to Edmonton?
Wingels is one of our budding young players. I'm guessing one of our only available/tradable forwards is Havlat.

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05-29-2013, 01:48 PM
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Perron, Schmaltz, + for Thornton?
Pavelski for Oshie?

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05-29-2013, 01:51 PM
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Yea, no chance Nonis and co trade our 1st this year for Dan Boyle, who's getting way too old for our core, is a rental, and isn't an ideal partner for Phaneuf anyways. It's simply not a necessity. Only partner we'd be interested in is Brent Burns but the price may be too high.

As for Thornton, it's perfectly reasonable for Shark fans to ask for Rielly but I don't think Nonis would do that. Thornton is a great luxury to have but I think at this point, Nonis would rather stand pat and stick with the status quo to see if Kadri can fill that role and/or sign guys like Weiss/a bought out Richards without giving up that asset.

Realistically, the most we can offer a 33 year old Joe (whom would a rental for us, although I'd be confident that he'd resign here) would be something like:

Grabo + Mac/Bozak's rights + our 1st this year + Biggs/Percy/Colborne/Frattin/Finn

I think the only scenario where Nonis would give up Rielly would be if Burns was added to Joe, I still don't think he'd do it but we'd also have to add salary back in that scenario.
While I agree with everything else, this statement sounds like someone drank the koolaid (not to be rude, just a little far fetched).

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Pavelski for Oshie?
Don't need Pavelski. We need Thornton.

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05-29-2013, 02:08 PM
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Thornton, Couture, Vlasic, Burns, Braun, Niemi, Torres

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Marleau (unlikely) , Pavelski, Havlat, Boyle, Demers, Wingels,

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