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05-30-2013, 11:59 AM
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Most of the teams trading up lost out, lol.

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I have a simple proposal for you. You write that Jones has no limitations. With that view in mind. Would you trade Galchenyuk even up for Colorado's first choice?

I wouldn't.
No, Galchenyuk has a similarly high ceiling plus he fits a bigger need here.

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With three 2nd round picks, Habs have full possibility of trades to trade up or grab an other 1st rounder. Just to put in perspective, here's all trades that took place at the draft since 2007 and involving 1st and 2nd round picks:

June 22, 2012
Buffalo Sabres acquire
2012 1st round pick (#14-Zemgus Girgensons)
Calgary Flames acquire
2012 1st round pick (#21-Mark Jankowski)
2012 2nd round pick (#42-Patrick Sieloff)

June 24, 2011
Toronto Maple Leafs acquire
2011 1st round pick (#22-Tyler Biggs)
Anaheim Ducks acquire
2011 1st round pick (#30-Rickard Rakell)
2011 2nd round pick (#39-John Gibson)

June 24, 2011
Detroit Red Wings acquire
2011 2nd round pick (#35-Tomas Jurco)
2011 2nd round pick (#48-Xavier Ouellet)
Ottawa Senators acquire
2011 1st round pick (#24-Matt Puempel)

June 25, 2010
Los Angeles Kings acquire
2010 1st round pick (#15-Derek Forbort)
Florida Panthers acquire
2010 1st round pick (#19-Nick Bjugstad)
2010 2nd round pick (#59-Jason Zucker)

June 25, 2010
Chicago Blackhawks acquire
2010 2nd round pick (#35-Ludvig Rensfeldt)
2010 2nd round pick (#58-Kent Simpson)
New York Islanders acquire
2010 1st round pick #30-Brock Nelson)

June 25, 2010
Montreal Canadiens acquire
2010 1st round pick (#22-Jarred Tinordi)
2010 4th round pick (#113-Mark MacMillan)
Phoenix Coyotes acquire
2010 1st round pick (#27-Mark Visentin)
2010 2nd round pick (#57-Oscar Lindberg)

June 26, 2009
Minnesota Wild acquire
2009 1st round pick (#16-Nick Leddy)
2009 3rd round pick (#77-Matt Hackett)
2009 7th round pick (#181-Erik Haula)
New York Islanders acquire
2009 1st round pick (#12-Calvin de Haan)

June 26, 2009
Detroit Red Wings acquire
2009 2nd round pick (#32-Landon Ferraro)
2009 3rd round pick (#75-Andrej Nestrasil)
Tampa Bay Lightning acquire
2009 1st round pick (#29-Carter Ashton)

June 26, 2009
Columbus Blue Jackets acquire
2009 1st round pick (#26-Kyle Palmieri)
2009 2nd round pick (#37-Matt Clark)
2009 3rd round pick (#62-Anders Nilsson)
2009 4th round pick (#92-Casey Cizikas)
Minnesota Wild acquire
2009 1st round pick (#16-Nick Leddy)
2009 3rd round pick (#77-Matt Hackett)

June 26, 2009
New Jersey Devils acquire
2009 1st round pick (#20-Jacob Josefson)
Calgary Flames acquire
2009 1st round pick (#23-Tim Erixon)
2009 3rd round pick (#84-Nicolas Deslauriers)

June 26, 2009
Anaheim Ducks acquire
2009 1st round pick (#26-Kyle Palmieri)
2009 2nd round pick (#37-Matt Clark)
Columbus Blue Jackets acquire
2009 1st round pick (#21-John Moore)

June 20, 2008
New Jersey Devils acquire
2008 1st round pick (#24-Mattias Tedenby)
2009 3rd round pick (#73-Alexander Urbom)
Minnesota Wild acquire
2008 1st round pick (#23-Tyler Cuma)

June 20, 2008
Nashville Predators acquire
2008 1st round pick (#18-Chet Pickard)
2009 3rd round pick (#70-Taylor Beck)
Ottawa Senators acquire
2008 1st round pick (#15-Erik Karlsson)

June 20, 2008
Buffalo Sabres acquire
2008 1st round pick (#12-Tyler Myers)
Los Angeles Kings acquire
2008 1st round pick (#13-Colten Teubert)
2009 3rd round pick (#74-Ryan Howse)

June 20, 2008
Nashville Predators acquire
2008 1st round pick (#7-Colin Wilson)
New York Islanders acquire
2008 1st round pick (#9-Josh Bailey))
2008 2nd round pick (#40-Aaron Ness)

June 20, 2008
Toronto Maple Leafs acquire
2008 1st round pick (#5-Luke Schenn)
New York Islanders acquire
2008 1st round pick (#7-Colin Wilson)
2008 3rd round pick (#68-Shawn Lalonde)
2009 2nd round pick (#37-Matt Clark)

June 20, 2008
Los Angeles Kings acquire
2008 1st round pick (#12-Tyler Myers)
Anaheim Ducks acquire
2008 1st round pick (#17-Jake Gardiner)
2008 1st round pick (#28-Viktor Tikhonov)

June 22, 2007
Anaheim Ducks acquire
2007 1st round pick (#19-Logan MacMillan)
2007 2nd round pick (#42-Eric Tangradi)
Minnesota Wild acquire
2007 1st round pick (#16-Colton Gillies)

June 22, 2007
San Jose Sharks acquire
2007 1st round pick (#28-Nick Petrecki)
Washington Capitals acquire
2007 2nd round pick (#41-Kevin Marshall)
2008 2nd round pick (#57-Eric Mestery)

June 22, 2007
Phoenix Coyotes acquire
2007 1st round pick (#30-Nick Ross)
2007 2nd round pick (#36-Joel Gistedt)
Edmonton Oilers acquire
2007 1st round pick (#21-Riley Nash)

June 22, 2007
Calgary Flames acquire
2007 1st round pick (#24-Mikael Backlund)
2007 3rd round pick (#70-John Negrin)
St. Louis Blues acquire
2007 1st round pick (#18-Ian Cole)
What I see is that damn our 3 2nd rounders are gonna have huge value when it's gonna be draft day. The 34th and 36th along with the 25th could fetch us something like a late top 10 to top 12. If Nichushkin is still on the boards or Barkov, I'd do it. Other than, we can see that a high 2nd rounder can move us at least 5 spots...

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05-30-2013, 12:16 PM
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The Habs have the need for speed, skill, size, strength and smarts using the hockey news draft preview as a guideline these are players available;

#25 - Mantha - LW - 6'4" - 190 lbs. Tony will be the 1st pick and will learn to play hard physically, in the Habs system.
Don't see him as a fit at all, playing physical is not something you really learn eother you want to or you don't. Don't see us taking him unless he slides to round 2.

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05-30-2013, 12:22 PM
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Most of the teams trading up lost out, lol.
I don't know, I think it's interesting to see that most of the 2nd/3rd rounders that were packaged to move up didn't turn out to be anything great either (yet). We do tend to place a high value on 2nd rounders but the likelihood of the player drafted equaling the value placed on the pick seems pretty slim.

In the end it seems like most of those moves were pretty minimal-risk moves for both teams. Except the Preds trading away the pick that drafted Karlsson for Pickard and Beck, yikes.

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05-30-2013, 12:24 PM
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I sense that the player Timmins will be targeting the most is Curtis Lazar. The kid oozes talent and probably has the best work ethic of the draft. He takes his summers seriously combining gym training and yoga as well. He's clutch and he's very responsible both ends of the ice. I'm scare that he goes top 10.

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05-30-2013, 12:25 PM
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I don't know, I think it's interesting to see that most of the 2nd/3rd rounders that were packaged to move up didn't turn out to be anything great either (yet). We do tend to place a high value on 2nd rounders but the likelihood of the player drafted equaling the value placed on the pick seems pretty slim.

In the end it seems like most of those moves were pretty minimal-risk moves for both teams. Except the Preds trading away the pick that drafted Karlsson for Pickard and Beck, yikes.
It depends though, 2nd rounders in a strong draft usually spit out quite a few good players. In weak years it gets lean pretty quick.

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It depends though, 2nd rounders in a strong draft usually spit out quite a few good players. In weak years it gets lean pretty quick.
True. But judging the quality of a draft before it takes place is tricky business. All drafts look golden and all prospects glitter before hindsight begins to take its toll. If you assume that a truly 'strong' draft comes along once every, say, 5 years, is it better to play the odds and get maximum value out of those 2nd rounders to get a safer bet in the 1st? I don't know. I'm glad I'm not paid to make those decisions

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05-30-2013, 12:37 PM
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Regrettably, for us to get Morin, we would have to give up our 25th, 34th, 36th and more. Ignore all the nonsensical mocks that show Morin as late first or second rounder. The McKeen list is only the first of many lists that will come out touting this kid's potential. As I have repeatedly and laboriously posted, if you watched the U18s and had a modicum of hockey insight, Morin's potential just leaped at you. By the time of the draft, the momentum for choosing this player will be at a frenzy, and he will almost assuredly, be a ten 10 pick. In fact, it would not shock me if he was the first player taken after the 'Big Three". Those who are now quickly modifying their wish list for this draft to include Morin, should get a dose of reality like those Boston posters who actually think Morin will fall to the end of the second round. Despite my own initial dream list, it is becoming apparent that Morin will not be a Hab.
Yeah it was definitely wishful thinking.

Heatherington, Gauthier, Hartman, etc. are also players I'd consider there. Someone who works hard with some size and has some offensive potential is sorta what I want with 25.

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I sense that the player Timmins will be targeting the most is Curtis Lazar. The kid oozes talent and probably has the best work ethic of the draft. He takes his summers seriously combining gym training and yoga as well. He's clutch and he's very responsible both ends of the ice. I'm scare that he goes top 10.
I would love to see the Habs get Lazar but I don't see it as a realistic possibility. I think it would cost too much to trade up for him to be honest and, as good as Lazar is, I don't think the cost/benefit ratio works in the Habs' favour moving up to get him. Just my 2 cents.

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The Habs have the need for speed, skill, size, strength and smarts using the hockey news draft preview as a guideline these are players available;

#25 - Mantha - LW - 6'4" - 190 lbs. Tony will be the 1st pick and will learn to play hard physically, in the Habs system.

#34 - Klimchuk - LW - 5'11" - 180 lbs. Morgan has drawn comparison to Steve Larmer, Denis Savard's winger in Chicago and will fit in nicely.

#36 - Hurley - LW - 6'1" - 181 lbs. Connor will be the youngest player in the draft and will be a fine two-way forward after Notre Dame.

#55 - Sanford - LW - 6'3" - 190 lbs. Zach will be a dominate offensive player at Boston College and a thorn in the Bruins butt each game he plays there.

#71 - Hayden - C/RW - 6'3" - 210 lbs. John will be a force to reckon with both offensively and physically by the time he leaves Yale.

#85 - Moutrey - RW - 6'2" - 208 lbs Nick brings a nasty edge to his game and suits the new Habs team play perfectly, physical play is his forte.

#185 - Hill - LW - 6'6" - 220 lbs. Tyler will join the AHL Hamilton Bulldogs this coming season and be the power forward that stops the opposition dead in their tracks.

#205 - Lafontaine - C - 5'10" - 160 lbs. Daniel brings great bloodlines being Pat's son his game will remind Hab fans of a young Brendan Gallagher when he arrives at the Habs camp in 3-4 yrs from his draft day. Proving that Timmins can pick a steal in the 7th round as well as the 5th.

This draft will be remembered as the year the Habs stopped turning the other cheek and began swinging fists, like all their opposition used to do to them.
Well S Bah, looks like you and I are either going to be happy together or sad together on Draft Day because we have very similar priorities. I have a few of my own preferences that differ from yours.

My "wish list" (for the first 3 rounds at least) would look like this:

25. McCoshen

34. Klimchuk

36. Heatherington or Zykov

56. Dauphin or Laplante

71. Hayden or Geertsen

86. Hill

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I noticed there wasn't a whole 'lotta love for Nick Baptiste. I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I quite like what he showed at the U18's.

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I noticed there wasn't a whole 'lotta love for Nick Baptiste. I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I quite like what he showed at the U18's.
Actually, I have no problem with Habs taking Baptiste. I like him. Problem is, the more time goes by, the more players I like. I just can't fit them all in.

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I sense that the player Timmins will be targeting the most is Curtis Lazar. The kid oozes talent and probably has the best work ethic of the draft. He takes his summers seriously combining gym training and yoga as well. He's clutch and he's very responsible both ends of the ice. I'm scare that he goes top 10.
I don't. A lot of scouts really like him and there are also a lot that aren't his biggest fans. That's why you see his name all over the place on draft boards. He's a 1st round pick but I think Timmins would take other players instead of him where he'll likely go in the draft.

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I noticed there wasn't a whole 'lotta love for Nick Baptiste. I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I quite like what he showed at the U18's.
Absolutely. His skill set, size and speed , translate well in the NHL. I think you'll see Baptiste go much higher than many pundits are now predicting.

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I noticed there wasn't a whole 'lotta love for Nick Baptiste. I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I quite like what he showed at the U18's.
Big fan of his, problem is he seems to fall in that ''hole'' between our 36th and our 55th. 36 is likely too early since there will be other quality prospects available around there, but it will likely be too late by 55th.


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Big fan of his, problem is he seems to fall in that ''hole'' between our 36th and our 56th. 36 is likely too early since there will be other quality prospects available around there, but it will likely be too late by 56th.
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Absolutely. His skill set, size and speed , translate well in the NHL. I think you'll see Baptiste go much higher than many pundits are now predicting.
Who would you prefer: Nastasiuk or Baptiste?

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I sense that the player Timmins will be targeting the most is Curtis Lazar. The kid oozes talent and probably has the best work ethic of the draft. He takes his summers seriously combining gym training and yoga as well. He's clutch and he's very responsible both ends of the ice. I'm scare that he goes top 10.
Seems like the kid the Oilers will target if Monahan is picked early. Local kid, and a two-way centre.

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Who would you prefer: Nastasiuk or Baptiste?
Baptiste for me, he has clear top 6 forward talent. Not sure Nasty has it.

But Nasty is more likely to make the NHL.

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I noticed there wasn't a whole 'lotta love for Nick Baptiste. I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I quite like what he showed at the U18's.
I really like Baptiste. I wouldn't hesitate taking him in the mid second, maybe even with the Nashville pick. He's not ranked there, but I think that he's going to be a very good player for a long time. Tremendous skating ability, good release/accurate shot, size, great passer, good hands, fantastic along the boards, and the list goes on. Consistency issues really hold him back, but you gotta think a player with all those tools is going to higher than mid to late second.

I hear a lot of talk about his second half production, and how he finally "exploded" offensively. But I don't see it. I don't even think he's scratched the surface of his potential. When he's on, there's only two players from this year's crop in the OHL who can dominate games like he can - Darnell Nurse and Max Domi. Great company to be in.

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Baptiste for me, he has clear top 6 forward talent. Not sure Nasty has it.

But Nasty is more likely to make the NHL.
Where is Baptiste suppose to get picked? Late 2nd round/early 3rd round?

Would you take him with #55?

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Where is Baptiste suppose to get picked? Late 2nd round/early 3rd round?

Would you take him with #55?
For sure. We'd be very fortunate to get him there in my mind, but we were fortunate several times last year.

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Baptiste for me, he has clear top 6 forward talent. Not sure Nasty has it.

But Nasty is more likely to make the NHL.
I agree with you. IMO, Baptiste > Nastasiuk. However, I'm not sure Nastasiuk is more likely to make the NHL. I'm not convinced he'll be able to play his game successfully at the NHL level.

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