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05-29-2013, 03:41 PM
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not sure if serious
Not serious on all three. Brassard actually had the lowest even strength production of all three.

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Torts' reputation was different coming in. At some point he decided that we should try and win 2 -1 every night.
2-1 after a shootout, no less!

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I love the "Blame Sather" crowd.

As if its the GM's fault Torey Krug turned into Doug Wilson and Ryan Callahan turned in Stan Smyl, and the penalty kill for three weeks mirrored the 1990 Nordiques.

This young roster is fine.
Whens the last time the Rangers had a Torey Krug-like breakout? The drafting and, specifically, the roster management have been horrid for years now. But yea, thats the coaches fault. All 5 of them, including Sather himself once.

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Call me crazy, but this Derick Brassard debate doesn't have much of a place here.
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Call me crazy, but this Derick Brassard debate doesn't have much of a place here.
I'll quote myself for good measure. Please discontinue.

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Renney also focused heavily on the players who were defensively responsible but who had no ability to light the lamp. Torts' reputation was different coming in. At some point he decided that we should try and win 2 -1 every night. If we hire another coach of that mind then nothing will change. However, if we hire someone who will tolerate some odd man rushes against to allow for some skating and flow, this roster (with a few replacements) will flourish.
We get the odd man rushes against anyway. Might as well have the offense too.

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From AV's Wikipedia page:

"He is now in line to become the next New York Rangers coach, or is at least a candidate."

Somebody's jumping the gun.

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The Rangers asked Torts to change his style. Bring on an assistant for the PP. Torts refused or management didn't believe he would change. That's what usually happens. Torts is too stubborn. Some of that probably happened here. The players got sick of him. They told management.
I think every single thing we're hearing had a hand in this. I also wonder if Tortorella was against a Richards buyout?

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Dont be fooled for one second into thinking this was strictly an on-ice decision. Sather is a cunning snake of a GM who has used coaches as shields for 13 years now.

Sather can say that Brad Richards was Torts' idea and he has to clean up that mess now to the tune of a $25M check from Uncle Jimmy. Trouble with the media? All Torts' fault, a new coach will clean that up. Regressing from last year? Not my roster, it was Torts' system.

If Dolan wasnt a ****ing idiot, he'd ask Sather for a comprehensive plan going forward and Sather would have jack**** to show him.

My frustration goes well beyond Tortorella. This episode is on repeat. No plan - just another scapegoat.
More likely... If Dolan gave ****. Which he doesn't.

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Call me crazy, but this Derick Brassard debate doesn't have much of a place here.
You're crazy alright, crazy for Krug.

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Brassard is easily a top 6 center, no questions asked. If anyone disagrees provide me with a list of 60 better centers than him.
Even if you did this the easy (and a terrible way to do it) with just looking at centers point production.

Brassard's second best year 11-12, he was what, 51st in points for centers? That puts him barely as a top 6 center.

10-11 is the only season in his career where he was "easily" a top 6 center.

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Get back in the cage!

No, but seriously, you're right. My bad.

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2-1 after a shootout, no less!
Hmm, that mentality seems to have infiltrated the last 2 coaches. Wonder why.

Hopefully this time, we find the coach willing to truly open it up...and subsequently get blown away by better rosters.

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Whens the last time the Rangers had a Torey Krug-like breakout? The drafting and, specifically, the roster management have been horrid for years now. But yea, thats the coaches fault. All 5 of them, including Sather himself once.
Didn't Kreider set some kind of record last year?

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Whens the last time the Rangers had a Torey Krug-like breakout? The drafting and, specifically, the roster management have been horrid for years now. But yea, thats the coaches fault. All 5 of them, including Sather himself once.
Derek Stepan exceeding expectations? Or is the fact he's a second round pick mean it's not enough of a breakout? Then how about Carl Hagelin, he's a 6th round pick. Or do you want an undrafted defenseman? Dan Girardi fits that mold.

@Bob Richards: Does your avatar use "to" instead of "too" on purpose?

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13 years is too long I agree, but what has Sather done LATELY that people didn't like? don't say Richards unless u didn't like it AT THE TIME

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More likely... If Dolan gave ****. Which he doesn't.
When Dolan was told his hockey team's coach was fired he said 'Hockey team? Daddy gave me a hockey team too?'

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Coaching Candiates

Coaching Candidates

If it were up to me Iíd interview as many candidates as possible. Sather and Gorton should hear as many opinions as it takes on how to improve the team. What other people would do going forward. Itís been 11 years since the Rangers had a full blown interview process for Head Coach. Use this process to benefit the team even if you donít hire somebody you might get some good ideas and opinions on roster players etc. Iíd listen to outside the box candidates like Jamie Kompon or Ulf Samuelsson. Bring as many different opinions to the table.

So who's it going to be? Tippett, Ruff, Vigneault, who would you
interview and hire?

I'm going with Lindy Ruff but with Sather picking the guy it could be anybody. Who thought he'd hire Trottier? Who thought he would go with somebody outside his own "circle" like with Torts? With that said I still think it's going to be Ruff.

I hope it's not Paul Maurice who I'm sure Adam Graves would push for if asked.

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My choice is former Ranger Dallas Eakins, currently coach of the Toronto Marlies of the AHL and widely considered to be the best coach in the AHL
I have to agree with you this would be awesome.

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13 years is too long I agree, but what has Sather done LATELY that people didn't like? don't say Richards unless u didn't like it AT THE TIME
Richards. I didn't like it at the time. You can look it up.

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He did? Explain this. This is the ****ing meme that gets thrown around here about Torts. It is a bald-faced lie. Plain and simple. He has not, in his entire tenure here, kept a good offensive player from playing at or above their potential.


Trade deadline acquisitions:

Brassard: Increased his production when he came to NYR. Kept it going through the playoffs. Top scorer in the postseason for the Rangers. In both the regular season AND the playoffs, he was at about a point per game; far exceeding anything he has produced in his career.

Clowe: Also increased his production when he came to NYR. More than doubled his point pace from when he was playing with SJS earlier in the season. This continued until he was injured.

Dorsett: Didn't play until the playoffs. Didn't do much, but wasn't an offensive dynamo before either.

Moore: Plays defense. But also got involved in scoring in the few games he played here.

So, uh what? Stop with this ******** please.
they came to the rangers and scored for a few games...until torts got his hooks into them. then they stopped scoring. just my opinion.

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13 years is too long I agree, but what has Sather done LATELY that people didn't like? don't say Richards unless u didn't like it AT THE TIME
Richards. I didn't like the deal at the time.

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13 years is too long I agree, but what has Sather done LATELY that people didn't like? don't say Richards unless u didn't like it AT THE TIME
Richards. And I hated it at the time. search the posts. I was one of the few saying it was a terrible idea to sign a 30+ year old coming off concussions.

Everyone here was telling me I was crazy and that Richards is as good as Datsyuk.

Didnt like the nash trade, didnt like the clowe trade. hated the gaborik trade

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