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Tortorella Fired Pt II: "The Search"

View Poll Results: Who do you want as the next coach of the NYR?
Lindy Ruff 32 9.12%
Dave Tippett 56 15.95%
Dallas Eakins 84 23.93%
Guy Boucher 28 7.98%
Alain Vigneault 68 19.37%
Mark Messier 23 6.55%
Larry Robinson 6 1.71%
Glen Sather (you'll likely be banned, FYI) 11 3.13%
Other (specify in the thread) 19 5.41%
Ron Wilson 6 1.71%
Marc Crawford 7 1.99%
Scott Gordon 1 0.28%
Ted Nolan 10 2.85%
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05-29-2013, 08:31 PM
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None recently though.
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Still missing what was said to Sam Rosen
i answered you before, go to TSN and watch the top 10 torts moments, it's in there.


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A few comments since I was busy at work when this all went down.

Gotta think this in large part a personality issue / influenced by numerous off ice factors. I would imagine that in his exit meeting, "the brass" asked Torts what his plans were to tweak his system for this fall. I also would imagine that Torts responded with, at most "minor tweaks".

His lack of ability to change and evolve was definitely a key issue here, perhaps THE issue. Beyond his overall philosophy this also comes back to game management (and multi-game management throughout a playoff series). Rangers' management clearly wanted to move in a different direction and at best felt Torts could not, at worst thought he would not adapt.

Beyond that though, I think the "they tuned him out" philosophy holds a good bit of truth. I also have little doubt some of Torts' decisions rubbed management the wrong way this year. Kreider's use and demotions/recalls is the most obvious example of coach-management disconnect I can remember seeing in some time. The Hagelin comment . Hank's attitude. Torts' baffling "I didn't have them ready" comment. The Richards endorsement. It all adds up. It has to add up to fire a guy who was a Jack Adams finalist last year.

I get it, and agree with it. It may seem like it at times but I am no Torts' apologist. I can recognize the flaws here. However, I also get pretty frustrated with some of the over-exuberant comments posted.


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Let's all keep in mind:

-John Torterella coached the Rangers to their best finish in 15 years.

-The "zero offense" strategy employed by Torts produced the best Ranger offense we've seen in this century, last year at 11th in the league. Nope, not the year Jagr broke the franchise single-season scoring record. The Rangers finished 14th that year.

-Torts is one of TWO coaches to reach the second round of the playoffs in 2012 and 2013.

-Anyone else remember when this team didn't work? Didn't try? I do. And the fear of going back to that keeps me up at night.


All I'm saying is, give the man a little credit. The firing thread reads like every other thread on this board when a major move is made. "The grass is always greener" could not be more relevant to this fanbase.

Yet somehow I am seeing calls to being in Alain Vignault. 40 people actually voted for him. A guy who sure seems to know how to win a Cup. Whose team was 12th in goals per game in this year's playoffs. BETTER STILL, whose team finished 19th in regular season scoring (HINT the Rangers were 15th). If that isn't Ranger fan logic I don't know what is.

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Messier ran Zubov out of town. I don't want him holding any sort of coaching position on this team.
There was a reason nobody stuck up for Zubov when Kevin Stevens whooped his ass. There were plenty of guys on tht team that stood up for they're boys. Nobody did for Zubie. He wasn't the most well liked guy at the time.

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why isn't emilio estevez on there?!

Gordon bombay ftw!!!

Besides messier could only be an assistant and that's if and only if gretzky was coach.
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Yet somehow I am seeing calls to being in Alain Vignault. 40 people actually voted for him. A guy who sure seems to know how to win a Cup. Whose team was 12th in goals per game in this year's playoffs. BETTER STILL, whose team finished 19th in regular season scoring (HINT the Rangers were 15th). If that isn't Ranger fan logic I don't know what is.
People mock Vancouver for choking and then turn around and praise the ex-coach for his success. If that's not a mental disorder then I don't know what is. Lets not forget how soft Vancouver was against the Bruins.

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One guy who hasn't been brought up is the Great One...No, not the Rock. The OTHER Great One . He's been to quite a few games at the Garden this year, including playoff games, is a Sather guy (obviously), played with the Rangers and has head coaching experience (though he was a pretty crappy one). Another guy of the same exact ilk is Craig MacTavish, but I believe he's the new GM in Edmonton.

But yeah, I don't think either of those two will get a look

As of now, I still think (as I said earlier in the day) it'll come down to three guys: Ruff, Vigneault or Ron Wilson. I don't think Guy Boucher will get a ton of consideration from Sather. Marc Crawford is coaching in Europe somewhere. Dallas Eakins is an unknown and I don't think Sather would be comfortable with that. And Sather will poke around Larry Robinson, only to get told again that he's STILL not interested.

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Eakins or Desjardins would be good. I'd also take a look at the assistants in Boston, Los Angeles, Detroit, Chicago, San Jose--the teams that are still in it or in Ottawa a team that way overachieved considering all the injuries they fought through this year and maybe keep in mind Doug Weight as well.

I do not like Ruff--no Sedin's so no to Vigneault.
Dave Cameron Ottawa...he wants to be an NHL head coach sooooo bad it is not funny . He is totally consumed by the sport and has done his due diligence and IMO is ready to be an NHL head coach . Coached at all levels along the way and has been to the Memorial Cup and the World Juniors and had been a big asset on the Ottawa coaching staff . He would be a great coach for us...but I doubt the Rangers would go with an NHL assistant coach in such a high profile job and I think we all know that the Rangers will go for the name...and not for who might be the best coach . I also like Tippet .

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Because most of posters here are 20 something and have no idea how great the messiah was. Without him, it would still be 1940 and 73 years and counting.
Sweet Jesus I have seen Messier develop from a kid in 1980 to one of the best players to lace them up and I know it's an absolutely freaking ******** idea. Anyone that wants him as the Rangers Headcoach should have their head examined.

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I though it was a little strange having Gretz in the building this year. Gotta wonder if he would/could ever come on board. He didn't do well in his first stint, but you never know.

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Barry Melrose is more of a WTF than a FTW

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Because most of posters here are 20 something and have no idea how great the messiah was. Without him, it would still be 1940 and 73 years and counting.
And being a great player does what exactly for coaching?

Oh right. Nothing.

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And being a great player does what exactly for coaching?

Oh right. Nothing.
Affects families.

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Sweet Jesus I have seen Messier develop from a kid in 1980 to one of the best players to lace them up and I know it's an absolutely freaking ******** idea. Anyone that wants him as the Rangers Headcoach should have their head examined.
how do you really feel?

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Barry Melrose is more of a WTF than a FTW
i don't mind melrose as much as milbury. Milbury is an asshat.

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Dave Cameron Ottawa...he wants to be an NHL head coach sooooo bad it is not funny . He is totally consumed by the sport and has done his due diligence and IMO is ready to be an NHL head coach . Coached at all levels along the way and has been to the Memorial Cup and the World Juniors and had been a big asset on the Ottawa coaching staff . He would be a great coach for us...but I doubt the Rangers would go with an NHL assistant coach in such a high profile job and I think we all know that the Rangers will go for the name...and not for who might be the best coach . I also like Tippet .
I remember Dave Cameron for this:



Also IIRC, in 2011, all of his teams finished in 2nd place. The Majors lost in the Memorial Cup Finals final game, lost in OHL finals, lost in finals to Russia after blowing 3-0 lead in the third.

One of the most epic comebacks I've seen in that final. I was stunned.

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Affects families.


We should all show more respeck to Messier. But I guess we shouldn't fill this thread up with the Therrien jokes.

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We should all show more respeck to Messier. But I guess we shouldn't fill this thread up with the Therrien jokes.
haha. but no. No ex players for coaches like those guys. Guarantee we'd suck.

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i don't mind melrose as much as milbury. Milbury is an asshat.
I'd rather have Eddie Olcyzk coach the Rangers than Barry Melrose

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I'll chime in... this is what you had Torts.

Hagelin - Stepan - Nash
Gaborik - Richards - Callahan
Kreider - Miller - Pyatt
Rupp - Boyle - Asham

You couldn't make this work? Really? I was drooling at the beginning of the season, and because of the way he plays the game, almost half this lineup had to be turned over.

Bring in someone who realizes offense is important.

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I'm gonna miss Tort's. Not gonna lie. He's forgotten more about hockey than most here will ever know. He helped this team forge a solid Identity. Something that has been a huge problem for this franchise thru much of it's past.

And he was one top notch coach that was willing to come to New York and take on that challenge.

Look at the list of people who will not touch the Rangers head coaching job. It will be telling I think.

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haha. but no. No ex players for coaches like those guys. Guarantee we'd suck.
I mean, some people have been clamoring that we tank a season and draft a star. I guess they'd be very happy if Sather hired Messier.

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I'll chime in... this is what you had Torts.

Hagelin - Stepan - Nash
Gaborik - Richards - Callahan
Kreider - Miller - Pyatt
Rupp - Boyle - Asham

You couldn't make this work? Really? I was drooling at the beginning of the season, and because of the way he plays the game, almost half this lineup had to be turned over.

Bring in someone who realizes offense is important.
In early 2013 that bottom 6 is useless, the 4th line does next to nothing, and Richards wound up being completely broken. But other than that, looks great! Maybe conference finals on a good day

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I'm gonna miss Tort's. Not gonna lie. He's forgotten more about hockey than most here will ever know. He helped this team forge a solid Identity. Something that has been a huge problem for this franchise thru much of it's past.

And he was one top notch coach that was willing to come to New York and take on that challenge.

Look at the list of people who will not touch the Rangers head coaching job. It will be telling I think.
All of that's true, but he's still an asshat, lost the room, and couldn't motivate or get wins out of a stacked lineup.

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I mean, some people have been clamoring that we tank a season and draft a star. I guess they'd be very happy if Sather hired Messier.
Those people are ones that think tanking is just willy nilly. You don't just tank. wtf. Shaves a year off of everyone. Even important players. Then the gem prospect may take 1-2 years. then what? hank's almost 35/36, Cally/nash are older, etc

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