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View Poll Results: Who do you want as the next coach of the NYR?
Lindy Ruff 32 9.12%
Dave Tippett 56 15.95%
Dallas Eakins 84 23.93%
Guy Boucher 28 7.98%
Alain Vigneault 68 19.37%
Mark Messier 23 6.55%
Larry Robinson 6 1.71%
Glen Sather (you'll likely be banned, FYI) 11 3.13%
Other (specify in the thread) 19 5.41%
Ron Wilson 6 1.71%
Marc Crawford 7 1.99%
Scott Gordon 1 0.28%
Ted Nolan 10 2.85%
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05-30-2013, 10:41 AM
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We just had a coach that is being portrayed as too tough - too much of a "my way or the highway guy"

So yea, lets just go in the completely opposite direction and place way too many cooks in the kitchen. I think thats idiotic, but I could certainly see the Rangers doing it.
Three forwards on one line can cooperate with each other. We see very few forwards going nuts refusing to pass each other or starting fights because they don't agree how to play.

Why couldn't two or three guys, being paid million to do this job, cooperate with each other at coaching a NHL team? Why is that impossible? Its humanly impossible? Something in our cromosomes? What would be the problem? Because the advantages are of course extremely obvious. There must be something that makes it impossible. Or? Professional hockey was played 50 years in Sweden before it was tried, when it was tried it worked perfectly. Never head a single problem reported from the teams with two or more guys jointly in charge.

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Is Eakins that good of a coach or is the Toronto media pumping up his tires?
Definitely a legit question.

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Is Eakins that good of a coach or is the Toronto media pumping up his tires?
The same Toronto media that thinks Belfour was the bestest goalie ever and Wendel Clarke the bestest captain ever? Now why would you think those geniuses in Toronto would pump up the tires of anyone in the Leafs organization?

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This is a win now team with our top players in their prime now such as our best in Hank.

Why are people so hung up on Eakins, a guy with no NHL HC experience? I don't even know who the hell this guy is besides reading he's an AHL coach. Why all the hype for him?

I'm not a huge fan of AV, but his track record is good and he's an offensive minded guy that will bring a different style here.

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if we bring in an offensive minded coach who also doesn't neglect defense and still fail to score goals, I will humbly admit its the players. but Torts system does not work in an offenively dominated league

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Me, you Sting, TB and others I've seen realize it filters from the top on down in any organization. The gross, disgusting fits of incompetence and failure from a FA perspective alone have cost Dolan 200 mil in 5 contracts. Factor in the dearth of absolute bust drafts we had in the early 00's that hamstrung this franchise too. He gets no credit from me for the Jagr trade and Hank pick. More luck than anything. I give him credit for many other very good trades and for presiding over recent drafts. Other than that the teams he has constructed continue to be overhwlemingly flawed and every year the offense and PP sucks beyond acceptability. I think perhaps he does not udnerstand what is required to be a successful, puck controlling offense in the current NHl and so he does not draft or sign to fill this need.

He routinely signs guys to play out of their position nd well over their potential and he routinely signs fossils for tough guy roles when they're beat to hell. I greatly fear that because he is so dismally poor at evaluating talent that he will latch onto some bigger name coach due to name recognition (and an enticing gift of nice new cigars) with little to no regard given to whether the coach is a fit for the players or whether the coach is actually good.

Oh and for Dolan all you have to do is look at what he allowed I.T. to do to the Knicks and how the Anita Brown situation played out (he still was behind IT lol). That hurts the company bottom line, costs hundreds of millions in merchandise and revenue and he actually LIKES basketball. Terrible owner who is at least hands off and may luck into a good GM but with the NYR he clearly has not and is too dumb of a businessman to terminate a cancer of a deal.

One of the best things Torts ever did was call Dolan a moron and tell him to shut his big fat dumb mouth
And you know, I love Dolan for being willing to spend the money. That's what he's good at. My main problem with him is he spends like a drunken sailor and he settles for mediocrity.

It's a shame.

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This is a win now team with our top players in their prime now such as our best in Hank.

Why are people so hung up on Eakins, a guy with no NHL HC experience? I don't even know who the hell this guy is besides reading he's an AHL coach. Why all the hype for him?

I'm not a huge fan of AV, but his track record is good and he's an offensive minded guy that will bring a different style here.
not necessarily him but young hungry team might need a young hungry coach. if im a betting man though, I would bet Vigneault

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Am I the only person scared it's going to be Paul Maurice? He is friends with Adam Graves, he coached a team to Stanley Cup finals, he would be a lot softer on the players than Torts. (something I believe Sather wants in a coach at this point)

Paul Maurice would never get the job, right?

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Good post TB!

The only thing I would add is that using Sather's own standard and definition of success, his tenure has not been a success. He said yesterday that anything short of playing in the SCF is not a success.
The sick irony is that he and I have the same measure for success. Oof.

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The fault is Sather's. How many bad contracts has he signed? Torts has been a breath of fresh air. Most success of any Rangers coach since Keenan (and who knows how things would have gone with him if he had more years). Brought an air of accountability that has not been here in nearly 20 years. Rangers fans forget quickly how these boards would weep when high priced millionaires would not be held accountable for anything. Rangers fans forget how the clamor was not to bring in high priced free agents but to build a core. Which is what Torts did.

Blame him for the PP? Fine. But who picked the Rangers to go to conference finals two years ago? No one. Coming down the stretch of this season, with Gabby and Richards being abysmal failures, they were in the hunt. Yes, the trade helped, and he got them past the first round again.

Rangers fans have very short memories. So too does Glen Sather. His 'success" comes from the middling success that Renney had and what Torts has done. Aside from that, Sather has been an unmitigated disaster. How many bad contracts has he given out, just to have them swallowed up by Dolan?

Torts was a good coach. Boo-hoo to the players that decided that he was too tough. Oh, no. He holds me responsible and is willing to bench or scratch anyone. Wow. What a concept. Poor play, means you do not play. Again, there are a scant few left around here that remember what the dark years were like. And even with Renney holding only under 25 year old players accountable.

You got rid of Torts. Ok. Who is the better coach out there? Don't give me this drivel about Messier. Bryan Trottier was only an assistant and look how he turned out. Messier does not belong behind the bench. Who out there is capable of taking this team and doing with it what Tortarella could not do?
Probably best post ITT.

I was not a huge fan of Torts, but he did have the most success of any coach in awhile. I thought he deserved at least the first 20 games of next season. It's not his fault Sather decided to completely change an ECF team.

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Eakins has a great demeanor whether the team is doing well or not. He doesn't play favorites or give preferential treatment based on salary or reputation.

"When you have a coach like him, you just want to win so badly for him." -Nazem Kadri

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Eakins has a great demeanor whether the team is doing well or not. He doesn't play favorites or give preferential treatment based on salary or reputation.

"When you have a coach like him, you just want to win so badly for him." -Nazem Kadri
Eakins is currently my top choice.

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Most of them are debating Mark Messier vs. Pierre McGuire, so don't sweat it.

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Something tells me Glen won't hire a rookie coach. He'll go after a big name IMO. I'm hoping its Tippett and not Ruff.

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The fault is Sather's. How many bad contracts has he signed? Torts has been a breath of fresh air. Most success of any Rangers coach since Keenan (and who knows how things would have gone with him if he had more years). Brought an air of accountability that has not been here in nearly 20 years. Rangers fans forget quickly how these boards would weep when high priced millionaires would not be held accountable for anything. Rangers fans forget how the clamor was not to bring in high priced free agents but to build a core. Which is what Torts did.

Blame him for the PP? Fine. But who picked the Rangers to go to conference finals two years ago? No one. Coming down the stretch of this season, with Gabby and Richards being abysmal failures, they were in the hunt. Yes, the trade helped, and he got them past the first round again.

Rangers fans have very short memories. So too does Glen Sather. His 'success" comes from the middling success that Renney had and what Torts has done. Aside from that, Sather has been an unmitigated disaster. How many bad contracts has he given out, just to have them swallowed up by Dolan?

Torts was a good coach. Boo-hoo to the players that decided that he was too tough. Oh, no. He holds me responsible and is willing to bench or scratch anyone. Wow. What a concept. Poor play, means you do not play. Again, there are a scant few left around here that remember what the dark years were like. And even with Renney holding only under 25 year old players accountable.

You got rid of Torts. Ok. Who is the better coach out there? Don't give me this drivel about Messier. Bryan Trottier was only an assistant and look how he turned out. Messier does not belong behind the bench. Who out there is capable of taking this team and doing with it what Tortarella could not do?
tbh it seems like it was more of a locker room issue than anything. seemed like cally lost his consistency after the dubi rumors started before last year's playoffs... when cally isn't going, nobody is going. tired of blocking shots and getting injured on a nightly basis (and playing with those injuries) for a guy that does nothing but piss and moan. no mutual respect.

not to mention the thought that lundqvist wasn't happy under torts. if you give me a choice between henke and torts, it's a pretty easy one.

slats isn't without guilt for the way this team looks, but come on... torts had to go

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Is Eakins that good of a coach or is the Toronto media pumping up his tires?
It's why I'm not high on Eakins. I don't know how well he'd do in the NHL. Eakins could be the next Scotty Bowman but if I was Sather I wouldn't hire him. I'd interview him, you can't lose anything by talking to the guy.


Remember before we hired Tom Renney the majority of this board wanted Ryan McGill as coach. An AHL coach could look like a genius but often times it doesn't translate at the next level. (like AHL players.)


As I said yesterday the Rangers should interview as many people as possible. Hear as many outside voices as they can (it can only help them) before hiring the best candidate.

I think that guy ultimately will be Ruff (It's funny many of the posters who don't want Ruff to coach STILL point to the 2007 Sabres as the team they want the Rangers to play like, now we can hire that coach!) I think the Rangers need somebody that the players will respect right off the bat which is why I think an established coach is the way to go....

however...


Jamie Kompon from Chicago is the best outside the box candidate. I doubt he even gets an interview but he has a resume that's tough to ignore. As long as you look past the fact he has never been a head coach before at any level. I'm not saying he will be a great head coach but he should be given the same consideration as Dallas Eakins.

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The fault is Sather's. How many bad contracts has he signed? Torts has been a breath of fresh air. Most success of any Rangers coach since Keenan (and who knows how things would have gone with him if he had more years). Brought an air of accountability that has not been here in nearly 20 years. Rangers fans forget quickly how these boards would weep when high priced millionaires would not be held accountable for anything. Rangers fans forget how the clamor was not to bring in high priced free agents but to build a core. Which is what Torts did.

Blame him for the PP? Fine. But who picked the Rangers to go to conference finals two years ago? No one. Coming down the stretch of this season, with Gabby and Richards being abysmal failures, they were in the hunt. Yes, the trade helped, and he got them past the first round again.

Rangers fans have very short memories. So too does Glen Sather. His 'success" comes from the middling success that Renney had and what Torts has done. Aside from that, Sather has been an unmitigated disaster. How many bad contracts has he given out, just to have them swallowed up by Dolan?

Torts was a good coach. Boo-hoo to the players that decided that he was too tough. Oh, no. He holds me responsible and is willing to bench or scratch anyone. Wow. What a concept. Poor play, means you do not play. Again, there are a scant few left around here that remember what the dark years were like. And even with Renney holding only under 25 year old players accountable.

You got rid of Torts. Ok. Who is the better coach out there? Don't give me this drivel about Messier. Bryan Trottier was only an assistant and look how he turned out. Messier does not belong behind the bench. Who out there is capable of taking this team and doing with it what Tortarella could not do?
Not saying that Sather is a saint, but Torts lost the team, why would you keep him? Players won't perform well if they don't like the coach. Just as people typically don't perform well at their jobs if they don't like their boss.

Were you the type of person who got pissed because Messier had Roger Neilson fired? The Rangers were going nowhere with Torts. His style doesn't fit in today's NHL and doesn't play to the strengths of the team. A strategy where you collapse toward the net with the best goalie in the world. A team that has had trouble scoring goals no matter who comes in for years. One or two players putting up a good season doesn't make a good offensive team. The Rangers have continuously been one of the most boring teams in the NHL. They rarely dominated another team. Does anyone think that the team would have ever won a cup with this grinding style? Going 7 games every series? It's brutal. The last time the Rangers won a playoff series in under 7 games was under Tom Renney. They've had 7 playoff series under Tortorella. 4 went 7 games (won 3, lost 1) and 3 they lost in less than 7 games.

Give me a coach who focuses more on offense and gets this team at least in the top half of the league in goal scoring and PP percentage and let Lundqvist do his thing and we'll see results. The best defense is a good offense.

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Eakins has a great demeanor whether the team is doing well or not. He doesn't play favorites or give preferential treatment based on salary or reputation.

"When you have a coach like him, you just want to win so badly for him." -Nazem Kadri
We don't know that yet....We have no idea how Eakins would react to being an NHL coach.

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Most of them are debating Mark Messier vs. Pierre McGuire, so don't sweat it.
Starting the Pierre Fan Club if he is hired and taking on a Kel Varnsen like conviction in support of his decisions. Just so noone is surprised.

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If they won't give it to Eakins, then they better not give it to Messier.

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Poor Mike Keenan. Took that job in Russia just a few weeks too early.

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Eakins is my top choice right now.

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But it wasn’t the demanding on-ice style that finally grinded down the Rangers. It was, we’re told, the harshness with which he too often interacted with the athletes. The angry public face of Tortorella was too often the private face, as well.

In addition, Tortorella’s occasionally brutal public cut-downs of his players were doing no good for the organization. The Carl Hagelin “stinks” on the power play bit drew laughs from his audience, but we’re told that Tortorella’s outburst in Buffalo following the March 12, 3-1 defeat in which he said he was “disgusted” with his top players was not at all well received inside the room or across the industry.
The next coach will be a player's coach for sure. I really hope we don't return to the days of zero accountability...

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