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05-30-2013, 11:55 AM
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a) You are assuming these guys will play C at the next level. Most top junior players play C and a whole heck of a lot of those players play wing at the next level.

b) None of those guys you mentioned were available in the 2nd round

c) Mantha, Erne, Zykov and Hartman are big reaches over Gauthier, IMO. Gauthier has all the tools to be a top end C, and you can NEVER have too many of those. Look at LA who has Kopitar, Richards, Carter, Stoll, Lewis, Fraser, Richardson, Nolan all natural C's and in the prospect pool there's Vey, Andreoff, Shore, Cliche, Weal all as natural C's (at least for junior like the guys you mentioned), most of whom are HELLA better than the guys you mentioned.

d) You are ASSUMING that Scheifele tops out as a #2 C, Cormier ever makes the NHL, Burmistrov does not play RW permanently (which I believe he will), Little stays at C, etc, etc.

e) BPA in your opinion. If you take a look at my list (listing of players, not mock draft here) all these players with the exception of D Eric Roy were BPA on my list. I passed on C Lucas Wallmark and G Eric Comrie to take D Eric Roy to add a big twoway defender to the prospect pool since I had already added some top end skill to the forward crop.

f) For comparaison sake, who would you have taken at those spots, given who was available? I welcome all comments

As a side note, I was really hoping Dano would be available at #59. It was a real real tough choice between Dano and Hurley at #43, in the end I went with the guy who I felt was a little higher end potential, even if it might have been at a little less needed position with Scheifele and Gauthier in the system. I value C's much higher than W's, it is easier to find a scoring winger than a solid C for both ends of the rink.
a) I can't really remember anyone successfully transferring from C to W and staying there permanently, to the opposite wing I can see, especially when there's a crowded prospect pool down the middle, but the top prospects usually just develop in the minors if there's a large amount of people at their position, eg Palmieri, Hertl. You could make an argument for Toffoli and Huberdeau, but I expect after Weiss (potentially) leaves, Huberdeau will be heading the 1st or 2nd line C position, and Toffoli will possibly be back in the minors or in a top 6 C role depending on if anyone leaves.

b) I know, I meant that I would rather have them at our 12th spot over Gauthier. I'd also rather have Horvat than Gauthier tbh. If we did get Gauthier it wouldn't be the end of the world, but I'd rather have people like Nastasiuk, Duclair, De La Rose, Baptiste, Bailey, Dickinson, McCarron over your picks. I realize some of those aren't available in this draft at our 2nd rounder but yeah.

c) I wouldn't say so. Mantha is a top winger with a great toolbox and good skills who could have gone top 10 if the top 10 wasn't so stacked. Erne is similar to Mantha, except I've heard of attitude problems which is why I've assumed he's dropped so much. Zykov is looking like a guy who has all the tools to be an NHL player, despite not having a huge upside (imo). Hartman is a really gritty, physical player who has upside as a top 6 forward like a bobby ryan type.

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05-30-2013, 12:12 PM
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Well, Sojourn and I discussed our picks a little bit, and we felt the right way to go about this mock draft was not only to pick guys we'd like (and admittedly, either of us had seen much or any of them personally), but also make picks that fit with the Ducks' drafting these days. So going Swedish made too much sense.

For the Vanelli pick, we felt his skillset was one the Ducks typically covet in defensemen, and we know they aren't scared to take late risers.

In regards to Erne/Bura - from what I read, I didn't get the impression that either clearly has more upside. As with a few guys this year due to the depth, there seemed to be quite a bit of variation how scouts like those two. Obviously I won't blame you for preferring either one, therefore.
Maybe it's just the American in me and the fact that I like Erne's playing style because it's a bit like how I used to play. But really though, he seems to be an NHL player in the making with some kinks. Burakowsky is by no means a bad pick though and I wouldn't mind getting him. I'd just be left wondering "what if?" if we didn't choose Erne. But that's fine.

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a) I can't really remember anyone successfully transferring from C to W and staying there permanently, to the opposite wing I can see, especially when there's a crowded prospect pool down the middle, but the top prospects usually just develop in the minors if there's a large amount of people at their position, eg Palmieri, Hertl. You could make an argument for Toffoli and Huberdeau, but I expect after Weiss (potentially) leaves, Huberdeau will be heading the 1st or 2nd line C position, and Toffoli will possibly be back in the minors or in a top 6 C role depending on if anyone leaves.

b) I know, I meant that I would rather have them at our 12th spot over Gauthier. I'd also rather have Horvat than Gauthier tbh. If we did get Gauthier it wouldn't be the end of the world, but I'd rather have people like Nastasiuk, Duclair, De La Rose, Baptiste, Bailey, Dickinson, McCarron over your picks. I realize some of those aren't available in this draft at our 2nd rounder but yeah.

c) I wouldn't say so. Mantha is a top winger with a great toolbox and good skills who could have gone top 10 if the top 10 wasn't so stacked. Erne is similar to Mantha, except I've heard of attitude problems which is why I've assumed he's dropped so much. Zykov is looking like a guy who has all the tools to be an NHL player, despite not having a huge upside (imo). Hartman is a really gritty, physical player who has upside as a top 6 forward like a bobby ryan type.
a) Huh? A LOT of players move around positions going from junior to pro. Cammalleri, Carter, Marchand, Huberdeau, Little, Marleau, Ennis, Brunner, Skinner, etc you can go around the league and find lots of players that played C at junior moved to wing at NHL/pro.

b)Meh. I have my list. You just disagree. That's fine.

c)It's funny since Erne, Zykov, Mantha, Hartman are all favourites of mine from this draft. I like them all. I just like Gauthier more.

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Centers are moved to wing a ton, it's rarely the other way around. I'd take Gauthier over Mantha all day long regardless of team need.

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Gah, RG took Shinkaruk over Nichushkin? Boo this man!


Yes I took the consistent guy with tons of points over the new flavor of the month with very few points.

I don't buy lottery tickets for a living.

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Yes I took the consistent guy with tons of points over the new flavor of the month with very few points.

I don't buy lottery tickets for a living.
Ah, what do I know. When the mod draft was going on, I'd never heard of either of them.

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Burakowsky over Erne? Hmm.

I think at 26 we can afford to take the gamble on a guy like Erne.
I agree. Ducks take Erne if he falls to us. No question about it.

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My gut feeling the Leafs would take Morrissey or Santini over Rychel, we seem to prioritize skating these days while ignoring needs.

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And here it is. Draft order set by pre-playoff/end of season seeding.

1- Colorado: Seth Jones, D, Portland Winter Hawks WHL
2- Florida: Nathan MacKinnon, C, Halifax Mooseheads QMJHL
3- Tampa Bay: Jonathon Drouin, LW/C, Halifax Mooseheads, QMJHL
4- Nashville: Aleksander Barkov, C, Tappara, SM-Liiga
5- Carolina: Sean Monahan, C, Ottawa, OHL
6- Calgary: Elias Lindholm, C, Brynäs, Elitserien
7- Edmonton: Darnell Nurse, D, Sault Ste. Marie, OHL
8- Buffalo: Rasmus Ristolainen, D, TPS, SM-Liiga
9- New Jersey: Hunter Shinkaruk, LW/C, Medicine Hat, WHL
10- Dallas: Valeri Nichushkin, F, Dynamo Moscow, KHL
11- Philadephia: Ryan Pulock, D, Brandon, WHL
12- Phoenix: Max Domi, C, London, OHL
13- Winnipeg: Frederik Gauthier, C Rimouski, QMJHL
14- Columbus: Anthony Mantha, LW, Val d'Or, QMJHL

15- NY Islanders: Curtis Lazar, C, Edmonton, WHL
16- Buffalo: Nikita Zadarov, D, London, OHL
17- Ottawa: Robert Hagg, D, Modo, SEL
18- Detroit: Samuel Morin, D, Rimouski, QMJHL
19- Columbus: Ryan Hartman, F, Plymouth, OHL
20- San Jose: Bo Horvat, C, London, OHL
21- Washington: Alexander Wennberg, C/LW, Djurgarden, SEL
22- Toronto: Kerby Rychel, LW, Windsor, OHL
23- Vancouver: Josh Morrissey, D, Prince Albert, WHL
24- Columbus: Arturri Lehkonen, RW, KalPa Kuopio, SM-Liiga
25- Calgary: Zachary Fucale, G, Halifax, QMJHL
26- Boston: Steve Santini, D, New York, EJHL
27- Montreal: Valentin Zykov, RW, Baie-Commeau, QMJHL
28- Anaheim: Andre Burakovsky, LW, Malmö, SEL
29- Calgary: Adam Erne, RW, Quebec, QMJHL
30- Chicago: John Hayden, C, US-Under 18, USHL

31- Florida: Ian McCoshen, D, Waterloo, USHL
32- Colorado: Nic Petan, C, Portland, WHL
33- Tampa: Mirco Müller, D, Everett, WHL
34- Montreal: J.T. Compher, C, UNTDP, USHL
35- Carolina: Shea Theodore, D, Seattle, WHL
36- Montreal: Michael McCarron, RW, UNTDP, USHL
37- Edmonton: Zack Nastasiuk, RW, Owen Sound, OHL
38- Buffalo: William Carrier, LW, Cape Breton, QMJHL
39- New Jersey: Chris Bigras, D, Owen Sound, OHL
40- Dallas: Madison Bowey, D, Kelowna, WHL
41- Philadelphia: Dillon Heatherington, D, Swift Current, WHL
42- Phoenix: Morgan Klimchuk, C, Regina, WHL
43- Winnipeg: Connor Hurley, C, Edina, USHS
44- Columbus: Linus Arnesson, D, Djurgårdens, SEL
45- Anaheim: Tommy Vannelli, D, USTDP, USHL
46- Minnesota: Brett Pesce, D, UNH, NCAA
47- St. Louis: Jason Dickinson, LW/C, Guelph, OHL
48- Detroit: Marko Dano, C/RW, Slovan Bratislava, KHL
49- San Jose: Marc-Olivier Roy, C, Blainville-Boisbriand, QMJHL
50- San Jose: Anthony Duclair, LW, Quebec, QMJHL
51- Washington: Jimmy Lodge, C/W, Saginaw, OHL
52- Toronto: Laurent Dauphin, C, Chicoutimi, QMJHL
53- Dallas: Jacob De La Rose, F, Leksand, SEL
54- LA: Keaton Thompson, D, USNDTP, USHL
55- Buffalo: Emile Poirier, LW, Gatineau, QMJHL
56- Dallas: Tristan Jarry, G, Edmonton, WHL
57- Montreal: Justin Bailey, C/RW, Kitchener, OHL
58- Edmonton: Nicholas Baptiste, RW, Sudbury, OHL
59- Winnipeg (Compensatory): Pavel Buchnevich, C, Cherepovets, MHL
60- San Jose: Zach Sanford, LW, Middlesex, EJHL
61- Winnipeg: Eric Roy, D, Brandon, WHL


END

Those to blame or credit
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Anaheim - Vipers31
Boston - TP
Buffalo - Chainshot
Calgary - Stewie Griffin
Carolina - DaveG
Chicago - Blackhawkswincup
Colorado - (By committee/Avs Mods)
Columbus - Double-Shift Lassé
Dallas - piqued
Detroit - Redwingsfan
Edmonton - Soli
Florida - angry_treefrog
Los Angles - (Nomination)
Minnesota - Gopher State
Montreal - CrimsonSkorpion
Nashville - SLake
New Jersey - Richer's Ghost
New York Islanders - IslesRock4
New York Rangers - (no picks)
Ottawa - SixthSens
Philadelphia - Sh0otnSc0re
Phoenix - RR
Pittsburgh - Big McLargeHuge
San Jose - The Nemesis
St. Louis - EastonBlues22
Tampa - Felonious Python
Toronto - MoreMogilny
Vancouver - Royal Canuck
Washington - Langway
Winnipeg - Holden Caufield


Max Domi is my favorite but he was taken 1 pick ahead..
Good picks!

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I'd be pretty upset as a Sabres fan if the board fell this way and we picked:

8) Ristolainen
16) Zadarov

over

8) Nichuskin
16) Horvat

I would much rather have the second pair.
I have to agree here, why in the world are we picking two defensemen. I could see grabbing Zadarov with the 16th pick but I can't see the Sabres passing on an offensive stud like Nichuskin.

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After 16 picks, I think Chainshot has about won this. Great job!

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After 16 picks, I think Chainshot has about won this. Great job!
I'm afraid. If they start thinking like me....oh boy.

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