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05-30-2013, 01:21 AM
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EDM - OTT - Fair Value?

1st Rd. Pick (7th Overall)
N.Schultz

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Mark Stone

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05-30-2013, 01:34 AM
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Not sure if I would do that or not. Methot has been outstanding. Has looked like a #2 dman without playing with Karlsson.

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Fair value but maybe its just me

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Eh... the value is not bad, but there's no way Ottawa would do it, because we're past the point where we'd give up in-their-prime players for picks.

If the Oil had offered this to us in 2010, maybe it would fly, but Murray has gone on record as recently as yesterday saying they want to upgrade the blueline for next year... and this would downgrade it significantly.

So yeah, like I said: the value ain't awful, but Ottawa isn't a team that is looking to make this kind of trade. At least not at the expense of our most consistent defenceman this past year.

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Alfie's quitting soon. You guys will need a future center-man. A great one may be available at 7.

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Alfie's quitting soon. You guys will need a future center-man. A great one may be available at 7.
Buuuuuut..... Alfie is a RW. Probably hasn't played center since he was a teenager in Sweden.

We're set down the middle right now with Spezza-Turris-Zibanejad/Smith-Pageau. In fact, we're a little overloaded. Zibanejad might eventually make the shift to wing one day, though.

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05-30-2013, 04:25 AM
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1st Rd. Pick (7th Overall)
N.Schultz

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1st Rd. Pick
Marc Methot
Mark Stone
So... to upgrade 10 spots (and not even get into the top 5), you want us to give you our best Dman (with Karlsson out) who has played like a top pairing guy, and our best/only sniping wing prospect (probably our biggest need), AND take on a cap dump in N. Schultz (who even Oilers fans had said the only reason they wanted him was because he was friends with J. Schultz, and they thought this would give them an edge in signing him). Yeah, umm, thats a no. Also, Methot is from the area, and was thrilled to be traded here, and you still can't wipe the smile off his face. He is not being traded.

Maybe if you changed Nick Schultz to Justin Schultz, or removed Methot, but other than that, easy no from Ottawa.

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So... to upgrade 10 spots (and not even get into the top 5), you want us to give you our best Dman (with Karlsson out) who has played like a top pairing guy, and our best/only sniping wing prospect (probably our biggest need), AND take on a cap dump in N. Schultz (who even Oilers fans had said the only reason they wanted him was because he was friends with J. Schultz, and they thought this would give them an edge in signing him). Yeah, umm, thats a no. Also, Methot is from the area, and was thrilled to be traded here, and you still can't wipe the smile off his face. He is not being traded.

Maybe if you changed Nick Schultz to Justin Schultz, or removed Methot, but other than that, easy no from Ottawa.
From an Oiler perspective I would not consider this deal. Moving that far back in draft with such a deep top end is way too much of a risk even if I do like Methot.

What the Oilers actually need on the left side is a puck mover. They already have Smid and they are extremely high on Klefbom. I am sure that if he goes UFA they will make a strong play for Streit as a short term solution with Marincin developing very well in the AHL. So while Methot would be great the difference between him and Nick Schultz would certainly not be worth a shot at a guy like Monahan or Lindholm.

BTW Methot played great for the Sens no doubt, but a year ago he was the type of player that would get you a second rounder. I was actually surprised that the Sens dealt Foligno for him to be honest. I'd venture to say that the vast majority of posters on this board knew little or nothing about him before the trade. Ironically most Oiler fans probably had a better handle on him than a lot of current Sens fans since he was a name that had come up on the Oiler board a fair bit and we got to see our share of Columbus over the years.

And where this stuff about the Oilers wanting Nick Schultz because he is friends with Justin Schultz is anybody's guess. I can only assume that that part was not intended to be serious.

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05-30-2013, 07:42 AM
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I'd say strictly from a value standpoint its close. Favors Edmonton a bit, however from a needs standpoint, Ottawa gets absolutely hosed.

Schultz is more of a question mark than Methot for us. Ottawa will need young scoring wingers to step up and have plenty of worthy prospects in the system. Stone is more in the target age group of young prospects for Ottawa than this Edmonton 1st rounder.

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The value is not fair, and not close. Stone, Methot and Schultz' negative value is way too much to give up to move up 10 spots.

Stone is the type of prospect who is worth around 17th overall himself, while Methot is likely worth a mid 1st as well (even worth more to Ottawa).

3 mid 1st rounders for 7th + the unwanted Schultz? No thanks, not close

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Here's fair value.

Oilers 1st round pick (seventh overall) for Patrick Wiercioch and Zack Smith.

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Here's fair value.

Oilers 1st round pick (seventh overall) for Patrick Wiercioch and Zack Smith.
I would break the sound barrier making that trade. That is how fast I would make that trade. In any other draft year, maybe not, but in THIS draft year, yes. Every time.

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Ottawa needs Methot. Pure and simple. Unless of course you want to take a step backwards in order to build for the future.

In value sense, id say Edmonton gives up more.

Lose lose trade here.

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There's a very good chance that Mark Methot is a better player than the 7th overall will be, that leaves Ottawa's 1st & Mark Stone for Nick Schultz (not Justin)......

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Methodt is a nice player but is being over valued in this thread, he is not worth he 7th pick in the draft.

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Methodt is a nice player but is being over valued in this thread, he is not worth he 7th pick in the draft.
You can't even spell his name and you expect us to believe that you can accurately assess his value?

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There's a very good chance that Mark Methot is a better player than the 7th overall will be, that leaves Ottawa's 1st & Mark Stone for Nick Schultz (not Justin)......
In this draft it is highly unlikely that this is true. As I said in a previous post he had a very good year but let's be realistic here. Would you have traded Zibanejad for him last year? And there is an excellent chance that this year's 7th is a fair upgrade on Zibanejad.

I have no problem if Ottawa sees him as being too valuable to trade for the deal that was offered. But it is certainly the case that the Oilers would have concerns on their end.

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You can't even spell his name and you expect us to believe that you can accurately assess his value?
He may not be able to spell, but he is correct.

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Methodt is a nice player but is being over valued in this thread, he is not worth he 7th pick in the draft.
Alone? No. But throwing in a damn good prospect in Mark Stone and a 17th OVR draft pick? The value is there but it doesn't make sense for Ottawa. Methot has been everything we've asked him to be and it'd be downright moronic to move him in a deal like this. Definite step backwards.

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The value is not fair, and not close. Stone, Methot and Schultz' negative value is way too much to give up to move up 10 spots.

Stone is the type of prospect who is worth around 17th overall himself, while Methot is likely worth a mid 1st as well (even worth more to Ottawa).

3 mid 1st rounders for 7th + the unwanted Schultz? No thanks, not close
Classic case of overrating your own players and underrating the other teams.

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I wouldn't trade the 7th overall alone for that package.

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Here's fair value.

Oilers 1st round pick (seventh overall) for Patrick Wiercioch and Zack Smith.
It really isn't. Think about it this way, would you rather have Mika Zibanejad or Wiercoch+Smith?

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No thanks. We were lucky to acquire Methot - he's our rock on the back end. Let alone the other pieces.

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I don't have an issue with Oilers fans turning down Methot.

A lot of discussion regarding him this season is the fact that he's openly admitted how much of a charge he gets from playing in his hometown.

He wouldn't have that same experience in Edmonton. His value is obviously more to Ottawa than it is to Edmonton.

In terms of value, to Ottawa, it's very high.

He is our franchise d-man's partner, plays a ton of tough minutes, and can be used safely and consistently in any situation.

Far and away Ottawa's best defenceman in the playoffs this year. It wasn't even close.

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Methot and Stone to move up a measly 10 spots. Even the venerable 08 draft had disappointing players chosen at and around that 7 spot.

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Terrible trade.

Ottawa was not a playoff team without Methot.

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