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05-31-2013, 01:38 PM
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sad to see nobody jumped on the riddle on how to kill an inanimate object ...
Hire Tortorella?

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Sather said he wants to have a new coach in place before the Draft on June 30th

Tippets contract expires on June 30th... which would mean the Rangers would have to wait until AFTER the Draft to include Tippet in the interview process (if he indeed elected not to re-sign with the Phoenix).

So the teams interested in Tippet will have to wait and we might not see these coaching vacancies filled until after the Draft. Even if the Rangers arent interested in Tippet, this could effect them because it will hold up other teams' decisions which surely include the Ruffs, AV's, Eakins, etc.

Unless Tippet and the Coyotes make an announcement that he will not stay there and he is given permission to speak to other teams before his contract is up. If Tippet has no intention of staying that might be the smart thing to do for his camp (if he is allowed to within the current confines of his contract)

Interesting dynamic in all of this, one that could draw this process out.


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With the outcry for someone to come in here and open things up, a Lemaire hire would be absolutely priceless
Lemaire is much more flexible than people realize. The 1990s Devils were one of the highest scoring teams in the NHL.

Yeah the outcry would be incredible. Got to admit, that's part of the charm to me.

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What is the advantage of having a coach in place before the draft? It's not like we have a track record of drafting guys that would fit a certain system. We tend to take best players available regardless of position. I would think it would be much more important to have a coach set before free agency begins, which is like a week after the draft this year.

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05-31-2013, 01:55 PM
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After reading this I think it is safe to say that he will sign with Van.

I really have no specific requests in a coach, I would only like that the coach is somewhat opposite to Torts. I really hated watching Tortorella hockey. I'd like to see offense, good passing on break outs, and a working PP.

No more dump and chase. No more blind passes. No more 5 column aka 5 goalie D system. I want to see them pressuring the puck which will prevent us from getting stuck in our own zone for 5 minutes at a time.

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Here's a very long and detailed profile of Eakins from a Canucks board. Sounds like an interesting guy:

http://canucksarmy.com/2013/5/28/coa...-dallas-eakins

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Torts did the same thing with Kreider. Hiring AV will likely put a dent in your #freechriskreider campaign

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After reading the Eakins article, I wouldnt be completely pissed if Sather brought him here, but I think if I had to choose between him and AV, i would take AV every day of the week and on Sundays twice.

Why?

Because the Rangers need some experience. Its an enormous sports market, one that needs a veteran presence imo, because the media relationship is not an easy one. Beyond that I think you need someone with playoff experience, one that has had a good team and has gone through the rigors and agonies of defeat.

I think AV brings all of that to the table and would be more adept at seeing the overall situation for what it is, considering personal growth and effectiveness at being a coach. (As does Ruff, but bringing him in rubs me the wrong way for some reason. Just doesnt seem like a good fit)

I like this quote about him:

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Alain Vigneault decided a few years ago that he would keep a distance from the Vancouver dressing room. It was a largely calculated move, as coaches who are too very involved in the day-to-day often get tuned out quickly. Vigneault largely let the players police themselves. This only works in situations with a strong leadership foundation, and the Canucks had/have that with the Sedin twins, Manny Malhotra, Roberto Luongo, Dan Hamhuis, and so on. But Vigneault never was, and won’t ever be, mistaken as a player’s coach. Unless that player is Aaron Rome, I suppose.
Eakins still has to learn that (as does the pie in the sky idea of Mark Messier), and while its intriguing to bring in a rookie coach with a fresh start and clean resume, I feel like this is a league where you have to go through the rigors to get a team to win a cup. (Unless you have Crosby and Malkin penciled in on your top two lines). Eakins second job will probably be his most successful. The Rangers are a now team with a goalie like Lundqvist in his prime. No time to "try out" someone new, regardless of how sexy they may sound.

Thats just my two cents on the AV vs. Eakins argument.

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Hire Tortorella?
I was actually aiming for: there are no inanimate objects, but ok ... I guess re-hiring Torts would go into that direction

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LOL everything I read about Vigneault mentions Aaron Rome.

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It's been reported and talked about by more than just Brooks.



If Sather was prepared to bring Torts back and then the exit interviews with the players caused him to do a complete 180, then Sather had no feel for what his players were thinking or feeling. By all reports, Torts was "stunned" when he was fired.
I remember Dreger tweeting before the Bruins series that Torts job would be based on that series...we'll never know the real story

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After reading the Eakins article, I wouldnt be completely pissed if Sather brought him here, but I think if I had to choose between him and AV, i would take AV every day of the week and on Sundays twice.


Eakins still has to learn that (as does the pie in the sky idea of Mark Messier), and while its intriguing to bring in a rookie coach with a fresh start and clean resume, I feel like this is a league where you have to go through the rigors to get a team to win a cup. (Unless you have Crosby and Malkin penciled in on your top two lines).
Having Crosby and Malkin didn't help Therrien.

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Eakins believes in knowing the opponent, so he will impart to his team (whether in meetings leading up to a game, or with small adjustments on the bench) everything he has taken in about the style, tempo, pressure and weakness from the opposition. Eakins believes in sticking to the game plan - as cliche a term as that has become. He will spend the practices leading up to a game to adjust his offence and defense to the team they will face, and expects the players to execute when game time comes.

Eakins has placed his utmost trust in both assistant coaches. Gord Dineen worked regularly with the defence while Derek King operated the special teams.
A-djust?

Never heard of it.

(Seriously, he sounds like he has a lot of potential as a coach in this league)

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Torts did the same thing with Kreider. Hiring AV will likely put a dent in your #freechriskreider campaign
Torts was wrong about Kreider. He had a short leash with Kreider. Like the leash reference. Torts cared more about his dogs than his players.

On a serious note,Kreider has size,can shoot the puck and he can skate. He has proven to be a big game player. If Torts had stayed,Kreider would have had a bigger role under him. Too bad Torts annoyed everyone on the team and he had to go.

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A-djust?

Never heard of it.

(Seriously, he sounds like he has a lot of potential as a coach in this league)
Oh my god. yes please.

my biggest gripe with Torts was that he'd approach Boston the same way he'd approach the Hurricanes. A team likes passing the puck back to the point? Let's make sure to collapse and give the point men more time! The guy would never change one minor thing about his system.

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A-djust?

Never heard of it.

(Seriously, he sounds like he has a lot of potential as a coach in this league)
Sounds like what our last coach should've done, he'd still have a job.

In all honesty I don't know much about Eakins and there's a lot of hype around him the last couple days but I'm not sure if NY is a good spot to start for any coach. Especially in a win-now mode, but the majority of the team is young so who knows they may buy in.

And while there's a lot of hate for AV and Ruff other coaches like Boudreau and Carlyle have been successful with new teams so anything is possible here. This is a big decision here and we have to hope, pray, do anything to hope that Sather gets it right because we can't afford a messup, and this is coming from a guy who hated Torts.

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I don't care if they hire Amanda Bynes; I'm just thrilled to see Tortorella gone!

Yes, he achieved some good results and certainly instills a good work ethic in his players, among other things, but it was his style of hockey that lead to the '04 lockout.

It's a different game now (thankfully), and we need a coach for this era who understands offense and letting skill players use their creativity.

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What is the advantage of having a coach in place before the draft? It's not like we have a track record of drafting guys that would fit a certain system. We tend to take best players available regardless of position. I would think it would be much more important to have a coach set before free agency begins, which is like a week after the draft this year.
The draft is on Sunday June 30. Free agency starts that Friday. The coach will be in place before the draft.

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So I take it Messier isn't in the mix?


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I don't care if they hire Amanda Bynes; I'm just thrilled to see Tortorella gone!

Yes, he achieved some good results and certainly instills a good work ethic in his players, among other things, but it was his style of hockey that lead to the '04 lockout.

It's a different game now (thankfully), and we need a coach for this era who understands offense and letting skill players use their creativity.
Be careful what you wish for....

which is apparently nothing besides getting rid of the coach that led this team to their best finish in about 20 years last season.

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In contrast with the likes of Phil Kessel (handcuffed to a replacement level top-six forward in Tyler Bozak, despite the presence of possession monster Mikhail Grabovski on the roster), or Alex Ovechkin (why is his offensive zone-start percentage so consistently low?) - Alain Vigneault has enabled the Sedin twins to excel. Not only have the twins consistently started in the offensive end of the rink at a rate that was previously unheard of in the NHL, but during his tenure Alain Vigneault also found them a perfect and counter-intuitive complement in Alex Burrows.

It's a similar story with Ryan Kesler. As Kesler's offensive skill came to the fore, Alain Vigneault began to lean on other players to do the heavy-lifting defensively (Kyle Wellwood and Manny Malhotra primarily). Vigneault started Ryan Kesler more often in the offensive end of the rink, and worked his matchups hard to get Ryan Kesler out on the ice against the third and fourth lines of the opposition.

Obviously Kesler (and favourable puck luck) deserves the lions share of the credit for turning himself into a forty goal scorer, but it's impossible to argue that Alain Vigneault hasn't consistently managed to put his star players in an optimal position to maximize their talent and output.
The crux of the young player issue is with Kassian and Schroeder but

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While Vigneault's handling of rookies often leaves me shaking my head, that needs to be qualified by praising Vigneault's overall development record. It's actually pretty astounding.

When Vigneault first joined the Canucks way back in 2006 - after coaching Vancouver's AHL affiliate Manitoba Moose for a couple of seasons - the cupborad of prospects and young talent was relatively barren (the more things change, the more they stay the same). To Vigneault's credit he managed to get the most out of the system, and so many mainstays on Vancouver's roster have evolved from fringe prospects or fourth liners into extraordinarily effective NHL players during his tenure in Vancouver.

The list of players who've come up and become quality NHLers under Alain Vigneault's tutelage includes: Ryan Kesler, Alex Burrows, Jannik Hansen, Mason Raymond, Alex Edler, Kevin Bieksa and Cory Schneider. That's a nearly a third of the Canucks current roster, and I think it's tough to argue that they haven't all been overachievers.

Lots of that credit belongs to the individual players, but at least some of it should be credited to the guy who taught them how to survive and excel at the NHL level, and that guy is Alain Vigneault.
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I don't care if they hire Amanda Bynes; I'm just thrilled to see Tortorella gone!
Have you seen Amanda Bynes lately?

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So I take it Messier isn't in the mix?

Rumors say that if he's interested he'll be in the mix. He's turned down enough coaching positions to make an inference that he's probably not interested.

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Prospect camp is first week of July. The new coach will have a glimpse at some of the young players. Lindberg. Fasth. McIlrath. Skjei.

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The office season 6 episode 1: Gossip (Stanley's affair)

"We've heard lots of crazy stuff today, who knows what to believe..." - Michael Scott

I usually improve my hockey thinking after 50 pages on a topic but now I will literally have no way to respond to the eventual hiring unless Eakins is hired so I can cheer or someone ridiculous is hired so I can complain

If this drags on, we should do a poll.

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