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05-30-2013, 11:08 PM
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I would do dark sided, vile, unforgivable, godless things for an even remotely effective power play.
Funny thing is, if the PP was even borderline average, these series would have turned out much differently.

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Funny thing is, if the PP was even borderline average, these series would have turned out much differently.
It was the entire special teams that failed. The penalty kill was almost as bad as the power play for the entire playoffs. The PK was one of the main reason we made it to the ECF finals last season and is one of the main reason we aren't in the ECF finals this season.

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OMG, I agree with every single word you wrote, SOS. Think we better check and see if pigs are flying.

Anyway, I don't understand why so many people are against Ruff--of all the available experienced coaches out there, I think he's the best. His teams always played solid defense and yet could turn around and counter-attack in a NY minute.
His teams always played hard. He knows how to run a bench and knows how to coach a veteran team. He's the best coach available.

I could see PLD's point if he was talking about an Assistant Coach but as a Head Coach we need a proven guy. This roster needs another voice and it can't be somebody that is trying to figure out how to coach in the League.

Ruff handled Hasek and finding a coach that knows how to handle a Hank should be a priority. The Rangers can say to Hank during extension talks "Ruff coached Hasek he knows how to manage a Hall of Fame goalies career."

I think Ruff is a slam dunk choice but we'll see. I though Hitchcock was a slam dunk and we hired Bryan Trottier. You just don't know with the Rangers and Sather. It could literally be anyone.

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His teams always played hard. He knows how to run a bench and knows how to coach a veteran team. He's the best coach available.

I could see PLD's point if he was talking about an Assistant Coach but as a Head Coach we need a proven guy. This roster needs another voice and it can't be somebody that is trying to figure out how to coach in the League.

Ruff handled Hasek and finding a coach that knows how to handle a Hank should be a priority. The Rangers can say to Hank during extension talks "Ruff coached Hasek he knows how to manage a Hall of Fame goalies career."

I think Ruff is a slam dunk choice but we'll see. I though Hitchcock was a slam dunk and we hired Bryan Trottier. You just don't know with the Rangers and Sather. It could literally be anyone.
Yeah, not saying Ruff is an ideal coach, but why is everyone so down on him? His teams are usually solid defensively and he had some good offensive teams.

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LOL at all the people who complained about Torts losing the players, then want to hire a guy like Boucher who was fired for losing his players.

The Bolts hating playing for him. Goalie or no goalie, he rode the hot hand, benched his stars, played favorites with scrubs and so on.

Sound familiar?

Again, the Rangers dont need a fire breather. Just because he's young and went the CF playing boring hockey, doesnt mean he's a good fit for a young team that is on the cusp.

Nielson RIP would actually be a good fit for this team. He was like davey johnson -- lots of experience but let his players run the show. Considering the 2013-14 Rangers wont do as much coke and get into as many bar fights as the '86 Mets, that kind of coach would be a welcomed sight.

The skill is there. They have a brick wall as a contingiency. The idea that Henrik will be left out to dry because of a run-and-gun offense isnt that bad of an option. He'll stop the puck when he sees it.

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He was talking about TB circa 2012, not 2008.

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Yzerman on Boucher after firing:

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http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=661819

Is he a changed person?

**** that. Why run the risk?

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We need a thinking coach. A real thinker. Don't need a motivator, identity builder, prospect-friendly coach. We need a thinker that will win series.

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If the Rangers go 8-40 on the PP instead of 4-40 in the playoffs were probably sitting here discussing how the Pens series is going to play out. 5 on 5 for this team is not the problem offensively, its the god damn PP. The power-play is supposed to give you a boost when you cant get your game going 5 on 5. Most of the time it took the wind out of the Rangers sails. Were a good 5 on 5 team offensively, and with a good PP we would have probably been a top 10 offensive team.
Fire Torts!

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I get the appeal of a new face, a younger "fresher" talent that can bring something special to the club. Many would like to go polar opposite to what we just had and I know why. Part of me feels the same. I still think that Ruff is our best option now. I'm a big Ruff fan. We're not in the room so we'll never really know what these guys are like, but I feel like he brings some of what I loved about Torts but in a different manner, a different approach. Sometimes it's just time for guys to move on and that really doesn't mean they're no longer capable of doing their jobs. Torts may find success somewhere else, and I'm certain Ruff can find success outside of Buffalo.

Mcguire really knows his **** but I just don't think he has what it takes to get the room and keep it. I feel like not everyone would take him seriously. He's better off sticking to announcing and analysis. I'm a fan of his saying this, for whatever that's worth. I'd love to have him in the organization though. Create a position for him if there isn't one, and just make sure he doesn't creep anyone out

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I get the appeal of a new face, a younger "fresher" talent that can bring something special to the club. Many would like to go polar opposite to what we just had and I know why. Part of me feels the same. I still think that Ruff is our best option now. I'm a big Ruff fan. We're not in the room so we'll never really know what these guys are like, but I feel like he brings some of what I loved about Torts but in a different manner, a different approach. Sometimes it's just time for guys to move on and that really doesn't mean they're no longer capable of doing their jobs. Torts may find success somewhere else, and I'm certain Ruff can find success outside of Buffalo.

Mcguire really knows his **** but I just don't think he has what it takes to get the room and keep it. I feel like not everyone would take him seriously. He's better off sticking to announcing and analysis. I'm a fan of his saying this, for whatever that's worth. I'd love to have him in the organization though. Create a position for him if there isn't one, and just make sure he doesn't creep anyone out
towel boy, massage therapist, locker room attendant?

With all these speculation, I've forgotten that we will get an answer, soon.

HF speculations and ideas are usually for its own sake so this is nice for a change


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Jagr and Hank were practically the whole team and they were both playing at 1/2 capacity.
Nah, we were actually playing pretty well that season.

I saw an old game from that season just recently. We played Ottawa away, for those with good memory its the game where Sykora and Rucinky crashes into each other and are hurt...

Anyway, Ottawa got a dream-team. Hasek. Chara, Redden, Philips, Mezaros, Volchenko, Spezza, Heatly, Alfie, Havlat, Fisher, Neil, Kelly, Vermette among others. But we pwned them from start to finnish. There was one team on the ice, and that was us.

We just wheren't mature, durable nor tough enough to play in the PO's... Its also important to remember that while NJD crushed us, we lost the series during 20 minutes of G1. We started G1 alot better than NJD. We had been better than NJD all season. The ref's wanted to make a statement that they where going to call penalty's in the PO's like in the regular season, and the game was messed up. NJD had 13 PPs (7 of them in the first two periods when the game was still on the line). In the midst NJD scored two goals they didn't really deserve and Jagr blew his shoulder. Hank had let in 6, and the team imploded more than anything else.

Hank back then we also not the goalie he is now. He had the ups, but many more downs.


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Mark Messier as head coach.

Bran Leetch and Adam Graves as assistant coaches with Leetchy working on special teams.

Mike Richter new GK coach.

If nothing else it would cause a huge stir bringing in a media loved Mark Messier.
Capt Mess to Coach Mess?

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His teams always played hard. He knows how to run a bench and knows how to coach a veteran team. He's the best coach available.

I could see PLD's point if he was talking about an Assistant Coach but as a Head Coach we need a proven guy. This roster needs another voice and it can't be somebody that is trying to figure out how to coach in the League.

Ruff handled Hasek and finding a coach that knows how to handle a Hank should be a priority. The Rangers can say to Hank during extension talks "Ruff coached Hasek he knows how to manage a Hall of Fame goalies career."

I think Ruff is a slam dunk choice but we'll see. I though Hitchcock was a slam dunk and we hired Bryan Trottier. You just don't know with the Rangers and Sather. It could literally be anyone.
What does Ruff handled Hasek mean?

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Larry Brooks mentioned Doug Weight and Mike Eaves. He is just throwing out names. If Herb Brooks had been named coach in 2002,he would have brought Eaves to the Rangers as his associate/assistant head coach.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/range...ontent=Rangers

They say Weight is the brains behind the Islanders operation. Former Ranger. Messier and Graves know him. Sather knows him from Edmonton. It doesn't sound Messier wants to get into coaching right now. Eaves is a defensive minded coach. His name was mentioned with Jersey a few years ago.

I like Vigneault. I like the way his VAN teams played. They still took care of their own end. The offensive guys were not stifled such as the Sedin twins. They were chippy. Young players like Kesler,Raymond,Burrows,Edler,Schneider and Hodgson became NHL players under him. Kesler was there before Vigneault but Kesler blossomed when Vigneault became the coach. Vigneault has coached in the Q and the AHL so he has dealt with young players and player development. He has the experience of dealing with the young guys and the veteran players.

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Nah, we were actually playing pretty well that season.

I saw an old game from that season just recently. We played Ottawa away, for those with good memory its the game where Sykora and Rucinky crashes into each other and are hurt...

Anyway, Ottawa got a dream-team. Hasek. Chara, Redden, Philips, Mezaros, Volchenko, Spezza, Heatly, Alfie, Havlat, Fisher, Neil, Kelly, Vermette among others. But we pwned them from start to finnish. There was one team on the ice, and that was us.

We just wheren't mature, durable nor tough enough to play in the PO's... Its also important to remember that while NJD crushed us, we lost the series during 20 minutes of G1. We started G1 alot better than NJD. We had been better than NJD all season. The ref's wanted to make a statement that they where going to call penalty's in the PO's like in the regular season, and the game was messed up. NJD had 13 PPs (7 of them in the first two periods when the game was still on the line). In the midst NJD scored two goals they didn't really deserve and Jagr blew his shoulder. Hank had let in 6, and the team imploded more than anything else.

Hank back then we also not the goalie he is now. He had the ups, but many more downs.
I should've added the line of Straka-Nylander-Jagr, Prucha and Lundqvist. They were dynamite that year.

And yes, the penalties that year were ridiculous.

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Larry Brooks mentioned Doug Weight and Mike Eaves. He is just throwing out names. If Herb Brooks had been named coach in 2002,he would have brought Eaves to the Rangers as his associate/assistant head coach.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/range...ontent=Rangers

They say Weight is the brains behind the Islanders operation. Former Ranger. Messier and Graves know him. Sather knows him from Edmonton. It doesn't sound Messier wants to get into coaching right now. Eaves is a defensive minded coach. His name was mentioned with Jersey a few years ago.

I like Vigneault. I like the way his VAN teams played. They still took care of their own end. The offensive guys were not stifled such as the Sedin twins. They were chippy. Young players like Kesler,Raymond,Burrows,Edler,Schneider and Hodgson became NHL players under him. Kesler was there before Vigneault but Kesler blossomed when Vigneault became the coach. Vigneault has coached in the Q and the AHL so he has dealt with young players and player development. He has the experience of dealing with the young guys and the veteran players.
Kesler blossomed because he hit the most common age for forwards to blossom. The magic 24.

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I think its hysterical that people want to hire Pierre Mcguire because he commented about how awful our powerplay was coached. Everyone on this forum with the exception of Kershaw has been saying that.

Messier was my favorite player growing up. The guy is a hockey legend. But that doesn't make him a good coach. He should either start off as an assistant or coach a team that doesn't have a shot at winning the Cup. Now is not the time. And just because a player was great, does not mean he will be a good coach. Was it George Larouque that wrote a book and said that Gretzky was by far and away the worst coach he ever played for?

As for the handful of people still defending Torts. You can like/love the guy all you want. But the reality of it was that he needed to go. The players wanted him gone. Two ex-players celebrated on twitter(when have you seen that happen before?) I hate the guy, but at the same time I can admit he has done some really good things here. But if you can't admit that he needed to go, you are clueless.

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Larry Brooks mentioned Doug Weight and Mike Eaves. He is just throwing out names. If Herb Brooks had been named coach in 2002,he would have brought Eaves to the Rangers as his associate/assistant head coach.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/range...ontent=Rangers

They say Weight is the brains behind the Islanders operation. Former Ranger. Messier and Graves know him. Sather knows him from Edmonton. It doesn't sound Messier wants to get into coaching right now. Eaves is a defensive minded coach. His name was mentioned with Jersey a few years ago.

I like Vigneault. I like the way his VAN teams played. They still took care of their own end. The offensive guys were not stifled such as the Sedin twins. They were chippy. Young players like Kesler,Raymond,Burrows,Edler,Schneider and Hodgson became NHL players under him. Kesler was there before Vigneault but Kesler blossomed when Vigneault became the coach. Vigneault has coached in the Q and the AHL so he has dealt with young players and player development. He has the experience of dealing with the young guys and the veteran players.
Kesler blossomed because he hit the most common age for forwards to blossom. The magic 24.

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Nah, we were actually playing pretty well that season.

I saw an old game from that season just recently. We played Ottawa away, for those with good memory its the game where Sykora and Rucinky crashes into each other and are hurt...

Anyway, Ottawa got a dream-team. Hasek. Chara, Redden, Philips, Mezaros, Volchenko, Spezza, Heatly, Alfie, Havlat, Fisher, Neil, Kelly, Vermette among others. But we pwned them from start to finnish. There was one team on the ice, and that was us.

We just wheren't mature, durable nor tough enough to play in the PO's... Its also important to remember that while NJD crushed us, we lost the series during 20 minutes of G1. We started G1 alot better than NJD. We had been better than NJD all season. The ref's wanted to make a statement that they where going to call penalty's in the PO's like in the regular season, and the game was messed up. NJD had 13 PPs (7 of them in the first two periods when the game was still on the line). In the midst NJD scored two goals they didn't really deserve and Jagr blew his shoulder. Hank had let in 6, and the team imploded more than anything else.

Hank back then we also not the goalie he is now. He had the ups, but many more downs.
I remember that Ottawa game thinking we were something special

I remember how disgusted I felt after the 1st game against NJ. I was so excited that we were back in the postseason after all that time and the lockout... ugh

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60 points. And he had many assists by letting guys like Nash do all the work.

But yeah, let's glance over his terrible season. Not like he was a turnover machine either.
Gotta watch them stats bro stats are facts and can never be misleading facts. Other facts or observations can never prove stats to be misleading ever. Doesn't matter if BR turned it over and was invisible constantly those ASSISTS!@!!!!!!

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Another defensive coach?

Eakins, Boucher or someone who has not been mentioned. No Ruff. No Vigneault.

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I think Ruff is a slam dunk choice but we'll see. I though Hitchcock was a slam dunk and we hired Bryan Trottier. You just don't know with the Rangers and Sather. It could literally be anyone.
Its hard to put a finger on it, but to me Ruff has -- in lack of better word -- looked a little "tired" for Buffalo.

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Been pushing Eakins fór some time. Fire Sullivan. Bring in 2 more good assistants (Weight and Samuelsson??) and I think we might be on to something.

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What does Ruff handled Hasek mean?
You know exactly what it means. Hasek had an ego (like Hank) Hasek hated got Nolan fired (much like Hank and Torts) Hasek was 32 and in the prime of his career when Ruff was hired. (hank 31 and in the prime of his career)

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