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05-21-2005, 07:41 PM
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Potential of these Defenceman

Rank these defenceman and their potantial(top D, 2nd D, 3rd-4th, 5th-6th)...thanks

Barret Jackman
Aaron Johnson
Carlo Colaiacovo
Fedor Tjutin
A.J. Thelen

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Jackman
Tjutin
Colaiacovo
Thelen
Johnson

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Jackman
Tjutin
Colaiacovo
Thelen
Johnson
yep

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Rank these defenceman and their potantial(top D, 2nd D, 3rd-4th, 5th-6th)...thanks

Barret Jackman
Aaron Johnson
Carlo Colaiacovo
Fedor Tjutin
A.J. Thelen

Based on potential?

Thelen
Tjutin
Colaiacovo
Jackman
Johnson


Most realistic chance of meeting their potential?

Jackman
Johnson
Tjutin
Colaiacovo
Thelen


A guy like Jackman is more of a sure bet, but at the same time, his potential is limited (and might have been realized). Conversely, a guy like Thelen, who has ALL the tools, hasn't shown enough to suggest he can achieve what he is capable of (especially after his disasterous year at Michigan State).

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Fedor Tjutin- Pick any spot in a team's top four, and Tjutin can play there. His potential is elite #2, but a safer bet is as a good #2/elite #3.

Carlo Colaiacovo- Same as Tjutin.

A.J. Thelen- He could eventually become a high-scoring #2 d-man, but troubles in the NCAA have made his future uncertain. Right now, I'd say a #4 d-man is a solid projection for him.

Barret Jackman- Safe, stay-at-home #2 d-man if injuries from his style of play don't sidetrack his career. Not a whole lot of flash, but he gets the job done every night.

Aaron Johnson- A solid, safe pro. Kind of like Jackman in that you know what you're getting out of him. As this list is based on potential, Johnson drops below Thelen. On a list of safe picks, Johnson leapfrogs him for sure.

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Based on potential?

Thelen
Tjutin
Colaiacovo
Jackman
Johnson


Most realistic chance of meeting their potential?

Jackman
Johnson
Tjutin
Colaiacovo
Thelen


A guy like Jackman is more of a sure bet, but at the same time, his potential is limited (and might have been realized). Conversely, a guy like Thelen, who has ALL the tools, hasn't shown enough to suggest he can achieve what he is capable of (especially after his disasterous year at Michigan State).
Looks like we can see what Thelen can do in the WHL next year for Prince Albert.

http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/du...y/11707252.htm

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Jackman
Tjutin
Colaiacovo
Thelen
Johnson
Same...but if Jackman keeps getting injured then he will go down on the list.

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Potential:
Thelen (compared to Rob Blake, offensively.)
Colaiacovo
Jackman
Tyutin (everyone spells his name with a 'J,' but it's a 'Y' on his jersey.)
Johnson

Now to be realistic, Tyutin has all but reached his ceiling.
Tyutin (as the song goes, he's already there.)
Jackman (also basically there.)
Johnson (not yet there.)
Colaiacovo (don't know if he'll get there.)
Thelen (he's looking like a future Darren Van Impe, a 5th or 6th offensive d-man.)

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Potential:
Thelen (compared to Rob Blake, offensively.)
Colaiacovo
Jackman
Tyutin (everyone spells his name with a 'J,' but it's a 'Y' on his jersey.)
Johnson

Now to be realistic, Tyutin has all but reached his ceiling.
Tyutin (as the song goes, he's already there.)
Jackman (also basically there.)
Johnson (not yet there.)
Colaiacovo (don't know if he'll get there.)
Thelen (he's looking like a future Darren Van Impe, a 5th or 6th offensive d-man.)
Your saying Tyutin has peaked after 20ish NHL games? In a couple of years he'll be established as a solid 2 or elite 3 like someone mentioned earlier.

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Potential:
Thelen (compared to Rob Blake, offensively.)
Colaiacovo
Jackman
Tyutin (everyone spells his name with a 'J,' but it's a 'Y' on his jersey.)
Johnson

Now to be realistic, Tyutin has all but reached his ceiling.
Tyutin (as the song goes, he's already there.)
Jackman (also basically there.)
Johnson (not yet there.)
Colaiacovo (don't know if he'll get there.)
Thelen (he's looking like a future Darren Van Impe, a 5th or 6th offensive d-man.)
What?? For a ranger fan your truly underrate Tyutin. Hes nowhere at his full potential yet. Just because when he came into the NHL and he really didnt have a problem adjusting doesn't mean that he wont get better..MUCH better.

BTW he spells his name both ways.

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Looks like we can see what Thelen can do in the WHL next year for Prince Albert.

http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/du...y/11707252.htm


Thanks for the link. That was also the most logical destination for Thelen, and IMO, the WHL is better suited to his style of play and mindset (being that his ultimate goal is to be a NHL player). He is very gifted, so it will be interesting to see if he ca get his game back on track.

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BTW he spells his name both ways.
No he doesn't. Last season he finally told them that they kept spelling his name wrong.

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OK, I don't give a ****, it's Russian, totally different alphabet. Yes, Tyutin HAS reached his ceiling, and it has nothing to do with how mazny games he's played, he's that good already, did you watch him at all? Granted, his perfomance might peak in 5-10 years; has nothing to do with potential.

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OK, I don't give a ****, it's Russian, totally different alphabet. Yes, Tyutin HAS reached his ceiling, and it has nothing to do with how mazny games he's played, he's that good already, did you watch him at all? Granted, his perfomance might peak in 5-10 years; has nothing to do with potential.
Yes i have watched him, many times, and if you think hes not going to get any better (granted u said his performance MIGHT peak in 5-10 when hes 32 years old alreadY) then i dont think you understand hockey. Players ALWAYS get better the more experience they gain in the NHL, he will get stronger and smarter, his defensive and offense parts of him will get better. I dont where the heck you get your reason from "because he was good in his first 30 games that means that hes reached his ceiling" Look nash hit 41 goals his 2nd season..did he hit his ceiling? Gaborik had 30 goals his first season..did he hit his ceiling? Please explain where you get your logic because it makes ZERO sense what so ever.

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you guys are all underrated colaiacovo big time... he's easilly a surefire #2. imho.

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you guys are all underrated colaiacovo big time... he's easilly a surefire #2. imho.
Potential wise, yes. He definitely is under rated by the HF posters for the most part, however whether he actually works out is debatable. I think he will turn into a weak top line defender/strong #3 defender.

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you guys are all underrated colaiacovo big time... he's easily a surefire #2. imho.
Colaiacovo is going to be good, i dont underrate him but you are definitely right that HF posters do underrate the kid.

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Yes i have watched him, many times, and if you think hes not going to get any better (granted u said his performance MIGHT peak in 5-10 when hes 32 years old alreadY) then i dont think you understand hockey. Players ALWAYS get better the more experience they gain in the NHL, he will get stronger and smarter, his defensive and offense parts of him will get better. I dont where the heck you get your reason from "because he was good in his first 30 games that means that hes reached his ceiling" Look nash hit 41 goals his 2nd season..did he hit his ceiling? Gaborik had 30 goals his first season..did he hit his ceiling? Please explain where you get your logic because it makes ZERO sense what so ever.
OK, you're right, I'm wrong.

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