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05-31-2013, 02:18 AM
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Tyler Myers for Jake Gardiner

Very basic trade; Tyler Myers for Jake Gardiner. I'd also be open to either team adding smaller pieces to even things out.

Myers has been struggling for a few seasons now, but I firmly believe he has potential to be the perfect defenseman to pair with Phaneuf (another one of our old reclamation projects).

Jake did really well in his rookie year and these past playoffs, but overall, is still fairy unproven. To say the least, if this trade was done, it'd be incredibly interesting to see how these players do on each of their new teams.

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I already know Buffalo fans are gonna ask for Kadri and three 1st rounders along with Gardiner, and Leaf fans are gonna' complain about how overpaid and washed up Myers is. Anyone care to surprise me in this regard?

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I'll just say no.

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What else comes with Gardiner?

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Are impact players ever traded within a division?

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I don't mind trading Myers, but I'm not a fan of Gardiner. (not saying Gardiner is bad, just not a fan)

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Very basic trade; Tyler Myers for Jake Gardiner. I'd also be open to either team adding smaller pieces to even things out.

Myers has been struggling for a few seasons now, but I firmly believe he has potential to be the perfect defenseman to pair with Phaneuf (another one of our old reclamation projects).

Jake did really well in his rookie year and these past playoffs, but overall, is still fairy unproven. To say the least, if this trade was done, it'd be incredibly interesting to see how these players do on each of their new teams.

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I already know Buffalo fans are gonna ask for Kadri and three 1st rounders along with Gardiner, and Leaf fans are gonna' complain about how overpaid and washed up Myers is. Anyone care to surprise me in this regard?
I wouldn't do the deal as proposed due to yhe cap hit difference BUT he is one of the few guys I'd include our 1st for

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What else comes with Gardiner?
In addition to Gardiner, I'd actually be open to adding our 1st this year (21st overall), or Matt Frattin and a random prospect with potential (like Matt Finn).

Would be interested in hearing what kind of player(s) Buffalo fans think they could use in addition to Gardiner.

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Are impact players ever traded within a division?
Most recent one I can think of is Kessel to the Leafs. Besides Seguin struggling in the playoffs, it seems like a trade that's working out tremendously for both teams.

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I don't know about this one. I just don't know. Surprisingly, I'm not going to be quick to just saying no without giving it some thought.

Some people want Myers gone. They believe he won't ever play as well as his rookie season and that his contract will quickly become one of the worst in the NHL. If they're right, we're stuck with him or amnesty him at some point. However, I believe we can't afford to trade him away, much less to a division rival, which could be a complete shot in the foot if he goes and finds his game there. Then we're stuck playing against him however many times a year.

I still think I'd give him a chance. Most defensemen don't peak until their mid-to-late twenties. He's got all the tools to succeed and has shown what he can do in the past. I want to give him a full year under Rolston and see what he can do. That may be the best thing for him. I think trading him could potentially be disastrous and a dumb mistake right now.

That said, for those who think he'll never get back to where he should be, they take this and run. A much cheaper player who has a lot of potential in Gardiner, while getting rid of Myers' contract altogether. It's something to consider, but again, what happens if he goes to Toronto (or anywhere for that matter) and dominates? I don't want to give up on him so fast. He has all the tools and such a rare skill set and size that I can't take the chance on trading him this early. Give him more time. We could be thanking ourselves as soon as next season if we do. Value may be good, even including Toronto's first but Myers' potential alone makes me steer clear of dealing him anywhere at this point, especially to Toronto. Be patient with him and good things may happen.

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From an outsiders perspective i think its a fairly good trade. Myers contract is cringe worthy but when he actually played well he had a better overall game than Gardiner. I guess the cap hits, money paid out, get played into the equation pretty heavily. You have one guy who if he finds his game is close to being worth his huge contract (before the market falls down this summer) and is the better player, or you have the more one dimensional player who is more simplistic and will always be a lower cap hit.
Id be surprised, if Myers was traded, if Buff would do any better than Gardiner + 2nd or equal value prospect. Garbage contract/

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I don't know about this one. I just don't know. Surprisingly, I'm not going to be quick to just saying no without giving it some thought.

Some people want Myers gone. They believe he won't ever play as well as his rookie season and that his contract will quickly become one of the worst in the NHL. If they're right, we're stuck with him or amnesty him at some point. However, I believe we can't afford to trade him away, much less to a division rival, which could be a complete shot in the foot if he goes and finds his game there. Then we're stuck playing against him however many times a year.

I still think I'd give him a chance. Most defensemen don't peak until their mid-to-late twenties. He's got all the tools to succeed and has shown what he can do in the past. I want to give him a full year under Rolston and see what he can do. That may be the best thing for him. I think trading him could potentially be disastrous and a dumb mistake right now.

That said, for those who think he'll never get back to where he should be, they take this and run. A much cheaper player who has a lot of potential in Gardiner, while getting rid of Myers' contract altogether. It's something to consider, but again, what happens if he goes to Toronto (or anywhere for that matter) and dominates? I don't want to give up on him so fast. He has all the tools and such a rare skill set and size that I can't take the chance on trading him this early. Give him more time. We could be thanking ourselves as soon as next season if we do. Value may be good, even including Toronto's first but Myers' potential alone makes me steer clear of dealing him anywhere at this point, especially to Toronto. Be patient with him and good things may happen.
Good post, but the Leafs would also have to worry about the exact same things, e.g. what if Myers doesn't live up to potential here, and Gardiner becomes the next Brian Campbell in Buffalo?

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And no. Value aside, has Regier ever traded a player even half as good as Myers within the division?


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Depends what the + coming with Gardiner is.

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I'd make this trade as long as Buffalo threw in their 2nd in this draft

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I'd make this trade as long as Buffalo threw in their 2nd in this draft
We're not adding **** to this deal, good try.

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Tyler Myers on a good contract has good worth. Myers on an awful contract had much less worth.if Gardiner picks up where he left off with his play in the post season, he will be worth more by himself than Myers is.

The guy who said he'd trade Gardiner, the 21st overall,Frattin/Matt Finn for Myers... are you mike Milbury? Cuz that is one of the god awfullest things I've heard.

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Tyler Myers on a good contract has good worth. Myers on an awful contract had much less worth.if Gardiner picks up where he left off with his play in the post season, he will be worth more by himself than Myers is.

The guy who said he'd trade Gardiner, the 21st overall,Frattin/Matt Finn for Myers... are you mike Milbury? Cuz that is one of the god awfullest things I've heard.
Why would Buffalo sell low on Tyler Myers? Why?

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Why would Buffalo sell low on Tyler Myers? Why?
Not exactly selling low in this case. Gardiner is looking like a pretty damn good player, but the Leafs have too many left-handed d-men, and could really use a right-handed one to compliment Phaneuf (more than we need a #1 center in my opinion). We also have Rielly coming along, which would basically be our future replacement for what Gardiner brings to the table (epic puck-moving).

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Tyler Myers on a good contract has good worth. Myers on an awful contract had much less worth.if Gardiner picks up where he left off with his play in the post season, he will be worth more by himself than Myers is.

The guy who said he'd trade Gardiner, the 21st overall,Frattin/Matt Finn for Myers... are you mike Milbury? Cuz that is one of the god awfullest things I've heard.
I kinda chuckled and the inanity of it myself

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Why would Buffalo sell low on Tyler Myers? Why?
c'mon you're a slug fan aren't you? ...you must have seen his play this year, dude was uber shell-shocked, highly immobile and grossly ineffective, not just here and there but all year,

Once Gardiner shook out the cob-webs from his concussion and gained some confidence back he picked up right where he left off as a member of the NHL all-rookie team

Gardiner is bona-fide for sure, Myers is merely suspect at the moment

there is no way that Nonis pulls the trigger on any deal involving Gardiner unless it's a move the propels the Leafs forward

why would any GM in the league give up what looks like a sure thing for a guy looking like he doesn't have the skating ability to play in the league

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I kinda chuckled and the inanity of it myself



c'mon you're a slug fan aren't you? ...you must have seen his play this year, dude was uber shell-shocked, highly immobile and grossly ineffective, not just here and there but all year,

Once Gardiner shook out the cob-webs from his concussion and gained some confidence back he picked up right where he left off as a member of the NHL all-rookie team

Gardiner is bona-fide for sure, Myers is merely suspect at the moment

there is no way that Nonis pulls the trigger on any deal involving Gardiner unless it's a move the propels the Leafs forward

why would any GM in the league give up what looks like a sure thing for a guy looking like he doesn't have the skating ability to play in the league
Why are you even commenting on someone's game when you know nothing about it? Skating is not even close to one of Myers' issues. He lacked hockey IQ this year and would shy away from physical contact. He would only try to use his stick to gain an advantage of an opponent instead of using his body. His game began to turn around significantly, and then he broke that bone in his leg which ended his season which was a shame.

I don't go around spitting nonsense about Leaf players, you should learn to do the same.

Also, "Gardiner is bona-fide for sure, Myers is merely suspect at the moment" - take off the goggles.

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I like the value to be honest - it's a simple hockey trade. Shutdown defenceman for PMD.

That being said, it won't happen purely because we're in the same division. It goes back to how if we were running the Monster and Scrivens, Buffalo still wouldn't trade us Miller for 5x 1st round picks.

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Why would Buffalo sell low on Tyler Myers? Why?
for fear of selling even lower, or not being able to... Myers was a project pick who developed much better than anyone expected, and played much better than expected.

He looked like a star in the making, but, there are tons of players who live off their rookie season success and never surpass it again.

It could just be the $$ that messed up his head, and he'll grow up and become really good again, or, just continue to struggle.

It is likely more mental than ability, as skill doesnt vanish, but, a bad head can kill skill.

Luongo cannot get traded and he's playing at a very high level, and his cap hit is less than Myers.

I dont think Myers will be mentioned with Gomez, but, Gomez was quite good, (number one center material) until he got that big contract, then...

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If Tyler Myers bounces back, he's a top 5 defenseman in the NHL and his contract is a bargain. A good Tyler Myers can do it all. Even if he never bounces back, his contract is bad, but not crippling. Jake Gardiner has upside, but it's one dimensional. I'd rather take my chances with Myers.

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c'mon you're a slug fan aren't you? ...you must have seen his play this year, dude was uber shell-shocked, highly immobile and grossly ineffective, not just here and there but all year,

Once Gardiner shook out the cob-webs from his concussion and gained some confidence back he picked up right where he left off as a member of the NHL all-rookie team

Gardiner is bona-fide for sure, Myers is merely suspect at the moment

there is no way that Nonis pulls the trigger on any deal involving Gardiner unless it's a move the propels the Leafs forward

why would any GM in the league give up what looks like a sure thing for a guy looking like he doesn't have the skating ability to play in the league
Oh he picked up from the all rookie team? Cool accomplishment. Ill match the all rookie team and raise you something way better.

When Gardiner puts up 48 points in a season, help his goalie win a Vezina or prove to be a #1 dman longer then a 50 game stretch then you can compare him to Myers. Myers has had 1 bad season, 1 average season and 2 great ones. He's been good more often then not and is by far worth more then Gardiner. No deal.
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Oh he picked up from the all rookie team? Cool accomplishment. Ill match the all rookie team and raise you something way better.

When Gardiner puts up 48 points in a season, help his goalie win a Vezina or prove to be a #1 dman longer then a 50 game stretch then you can compare him to Myers. Myers has had 1 bad season, 1 average season and 2 great ones. He's been good more often then not and is by far worth more then Gardiner. No deal.
Good one Layne

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Gardiner is rfa this year, ufa next year. A long term deal would have to be signed in order for this deal to make sense.

Not sure how much Gardiner is looking for but he could hit a home run in free agency next year.

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