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05-29-2013, 10:48 PM
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2013-14 Roster/FA Discussion & Cap Tracker

Welcome to another unwelcome early offseason... time to put our GM hats on again. Post your fantasy signings/trades/buyouts/line combos here.

[handy roster building/cap calculating tool from capgeek]
[list of unrestricted free agents (UFAs) from capgeek: here]
[list of restricted free agents (RFAs) from capgeek: here]


Detroit Red Wings
#PlayerPosition2013-2014 Cap Hit2014-2015 Cap HitContract Length
 Forward    
13Pavel DatsyukC/LW$6,700,000$7,500,000thru 2016-17
40Henrik ZetterbergC/LW$6,083,333$6,083,333thru 2020-21
11Daniel AlfredssonRW$5,500,000UFAthru 2013-14
90Stephen WeissC$4,900,000$4,900,000thru 2017-18
93Johan FranzenRW/LW$3,954,545$3,954,545thru 2019-20
37Mikael SamuelssonRW$3,000,000UFAthru 2013-14
43Darren HelmC$2,125,000$2,125,000thru 2015-16
44Todd BertuzziRW/LW$2,075,000UFAthru 2013-14
22Jordin TootooRW$1,900,000$1,900,000thru 2014-15
8Justin AbdelkaderLW/C$1,800,000$1,800,000thru 2015-16
15Daniel ClearyRW/LW$1,750,000UFAthru 2013-14
20Drew MillerLW/RW$1,350,000$1,350,000thru 2015-16
17Patrick EavesRW$1,200,000UFAthru 2013-14
14Gustav NyquistRW$950,000$950,000thru 2014-15
21Tomas TatarLW$840,000RFAthru 2013-14
18Joakim AnderssonC$732,500$732,500thru 2014-15
25Cory EmmertonC$533,333RFAthru 2013-14
 Defense    
55Niklas KronwallD$4,750,000$4,750,000thru 2018-19
27Kyle QuinceyD$3,775,000UFAthru 2013-14
52Jonathan EricssonD$3,250,000$4,250,000thru 2019-20
4Jakub KindlD$2,400,000$2,400,000thru 2016-17
65Danny DekeyserD$1,350,000RFAthru 2013-14
2Brendan SmithD$1,262,500$1,262,500thru 2014-15
23Brian LashoffD$725,000$725,000thru 2015-16
 Goalie    
35Jimmy HowardG$5,291,667$5,291,667thru 2018-19
50Jonas GustavssonG$1,500,000UFAthru 2013-14
      
 Projected Total: $69,697,878$49,974,545 
 Bonus Cushion: $3,010,000$0 
 Salary Cap: $64,300,000$64,300,000 
 Cap Space: ($2,387,878)$14,325,455 
Notes:
Green = 35+ years old at contract signing; only way[s] to relieve cap hit is compliance buyout, waiver claim, trade, or LTIR
Purple = potential bonuses; can exceed the cap by the amount of the bonuses up to 7.5% over the upper limit

News:
** [6/14] LW/RW Drew Miller re-signed for 3 years @ $1,350,000 per
** [6/18] C/LW Pavel Datsyuk re-signed for 3 years @ $7,500,000 per
** [6/29] D Jakub Kindl re-signed for 4 years @ $2,400,000 per
** [7/2] D Carlo Colaiacovo compliance buyout; $2,500,000 cap hit removed
** [7/5] RW Daniel Alfredsson signed for 1 year @ $5,500,000 ($3,500,000 base salary, $2,000,000 bonuses)
** [7/5] C Stephen Weiss signed for 5 years @ $4,900,000 per
** [7/5] C/LW Valtteri Filppula signs with Tampa Bay; removed from Red Wings Free Agents
** [7/15] D Brendan Smith re-signed for 2 years @ $1,262,500 per
** [8/6] C Joakim Andersson re-signed for 2 years @ $732,500 per
** [8/20] RW Gustav Nyquist re-signed for 2 years @ $950,000 per
** [9/11] RW/LW Daniel Cleary signs PTO with Philadelphia; removed from Red Wings Free Agents
** [9/11] D Ian White signs PTO with Winnipeg; removed from Red Wings Free Agents
** [9/12] RW/LW Daniel Cleary re-signed for 1 year @ $1,750,000
** [9/16] RW Damien Brunner signs PTO with New Jersey; removed from Red Wings Free Agents
** [11/27] D Jonathan Ericsson re-signs for 6 years @ $4,250,000 per


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I was the last post in the other thread so I'll copy and paste my thoughts here if that's ok.

I tried just messing around on capgeek but I realized that we just have too many players. Guys need to be bought out and traded to make room for better players. These guys are locks and are under contract or certainly will be resigned:

Forwards:
Z
Pav
Franzen
Nyquist
Andersson
Brunner
Bertuzzi
Emmerton
Tootoo
Eaves
Tatar
Sammy
Helm
Abby

Defense:
E
Kronner
Kindl
DD
Smith
CC
Quincey

This puts us at 14 forwards and 7 defense. Ideally, we let Cleary walk (I think he'll retire), along with Miller and White (and possibly Filp). Hopefully we buy out Sammy and Quincey, and trade Tootoo/Eaves at the deadline for a late pick. This drops us to 12 forwards and 6 defense. This allows us to either resign Filppula or (my preference) sign Weiss/Roy/Ribiero/Richards to center the 2nd line. It will also let us bring in a sniper (Horton/Clarkson/Boyes/Ryder/Anybody bought out). This also allows us to sign another E-like player who plays big and can PK, preferably somebody right handed. Ideally, our lines would look something like this:

Z - Pav - Franzen
Nyquist - UFA C - UFA RW
Tatar - Andersson - Brunner
Bertuzzi - Helm - Abby
(Tootoo/Eaves, Emmerton)

Kronner - E
Kindl - DD
Smith - UFA D
(CC)

Jimmer - The Glove

Ferraro/Sheahan as forward call-ups if needed, Lashoff as D call-up. Alternate Bertuzzi and Eaves/Tootoo as needed, Emmerton only if Helm/Andersson are hurt. I'm also assuming Helm will be back (no pun intended), and if he isn't, we hopefully sign a veteran PKing center if Helm goes on LTIR.

I would be very confident in this roster to do great things

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CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m)
Gustav Nyquist ($1.201m) / Brad Richards ($3.000m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Tomas Tatar ($0.840m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Damien Brunner ($3.000m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m) / Joakim Andersson ($0.900m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.200m)
Jordin Tootoo ($1.900m) / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)
Kyle Quincey ($3.775m) / Brendan Smith ($1.750m)
Danny DeKeyser ($1.350m) / Jakub Kindl ($1.750m)
Brian Lashoff ($0.725m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($5.292m)
Jonas Gustavsson ($1.500m)
OTHER
Buyout: Mikael Samuelsson ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,453,379; BONUSES: $1,010,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $5,856,621

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Very similar to what I have. Great roster! I'd like to see Tootoo/Eaves moved and a sniper brought in, but yours is probably more realistic. What happened to CC?

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This is what I want:

Brunner-Datsyuk-Franzen
Horton-Zetterberg-Nyquist
Tatar-Helm-Stalberg (possible best 3rd line in the league, extreme speed and skill)
Sheahan/Bertuzzi/Tootoo-Andersson-Abdelkader

DeKeyser-Kronwall
Kindl-Ericsson
Quincey-Smith

Howard
whoever

That lineup honestly looks very dangerous to me. Brunner's adjusted to the NA game now, and with an offseason of training, will be a force in terms of goal scoring. Datsyuk can sauce passes to him all day, and Franzen can just be there until he decides to show up for the few games he does every year. Also he's a decent net front presence.

Horton brings an awesome physical presence to that 2nd line, and Z and Gus have obvious chemistry that needs to be exploited. Awesome pairing with those two and then Horton can pop in the other goals/create space. Would be the big skilled winger we've needed for a while.

Third line is absolutely amazing. If Helm is able to play at full speed (which is wishful thinking I admit), that line will decimate any defense in the league. Tatar is skilled, fast, hardworking and can make some slick plays; Stalberg is a speed demon and works extremely hard on the forecheck (also has some sick skill), and then we have good ol' Helmer that can basically change the face of an entire game with his tenacity. If Helm is healthy by the start of next season (100%), I think we'll see huge goals scored from that line all year.

Fourth line is forechecking and some physicality. Sheahan, Bertuzzi and tootoo are all interchangeable.
Andersson is a great center and PKs well, Sheahan is a good 2way shutdown guy and abs we know is our only real physical presence. He's also come into his own these playoffs.

The defense isn't as exciting, but I feel like DeKeyser's scarily calm and collected game would mesh wonderfully with Kronwall, and let him open up offensively to light up his numbers again. Second pairing works on the same concept with Kindl, and then the last pairing is hinging on the hopes that Smith takes a big step forward to where he was last year (ironic but true).

Overall I'm excietd for next year

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On my phone so this is a rough draft sort of.

Howard- Gustavsson

Kronwall- Ericsson
DeKeyser- Kindl
Smith- Quincey
Lashoff

Zetterberg- Datsyuk- Abdelkader
Nyquist- Filppula- Franzen
Tatar- Helm/Andersson- Brunner
Eaves- Helm/Andersson- Tootoo

I like our goaltending and defense going into next year, I would like to add at least one of Clowe, Horton, Clarkson, Torres, Cooke, or Bickell.

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Solid list of players up for a contract, important players. I'm hoping for Brunner around $2.5M, Kindl $2M, Smith $1.5-1.8M, Nyquist $1.2M-$1.5M and Andersson squeezed in under a million. I would give Kindl 4 years and push his UFA status a bit, and hope to get great value towards the end of the deal. Give Brunner and the other RFA's shorter deals to prove themselves.

Assuming those estimates, we'd be about two million under the cap. Lashoff can be buried in the minors for another season(waiver exempt) and would leave us with about three million in cap space.

From there I can see a lot of different scenarios(exercising buyouts, UFA signings etc.).

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FORWARD:
Weiss (3.00m) - Datsyuk - Franzen
Nyquist (1.5m) - Zetterberg - Clarkson (4.00m)
Abdelkader - Helm - Tatar
Eaves -Anderson (1.00m) - Tootoo

Bertuzzi/Emmerton

DEFENSE:
Ericsson - Kronwall
Dekeyser - Quincey
Smith (1.75m) - Ferrence (1.5m)

Kindl (1.5m)/Lashoff

GOAL:
Howard
Gustavson

That would leave around $2 Million under the cap.

1) Use the two cap exempt compliance buyouts on Samuelsson and Coliacovo

2) Re-sign RFA's Anderson (1m), Nyquist (1.5m), Kindl (1.5m) and Smith (1.75m). Those figures seem reasonable.

3) Obtain a UFA power forward to play in top 6 (replacing/improving our not so power forward, Cleary). Clarkson would be great 1st option. Horton would also be ideal. 3rd option, go back to Jagr with tail firmly between legs and offer one year deal.

4) I believe Brunner and Filppula are likely to get overpaid in free agency (I'm thinking north of 3.5m). I would make a high risk/reward play on Weiss, Solid two way player coming off a down year, so not likely to earn a raise. If he returns to form, he could pay off. Still only 30 and played major junior in Michigan. If Brunner or Flip could be signed for 3m, than I'd pull the trigger and put either one in Weiss' spot.

5) Sign a veteran UFA D-man in Ferrence. Can still skate, smart player in both ends and rugged. Don't think i can stomach both Smith and Kindl in the lineup every game for another full season. Injuries are inevitable and defense depth is key.

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Can we stop with Abdelkader experiment in our top 6? Yes, he did improve during the season, but he is not a top 6 forward.

I think they give Filppula another shot. He's 29, still in his prime and if he finds his form from last year, then we have a decent second line forward. But for the argument's sake, let's say Holland lets go of all UFAs except Brunner.

We're going to need some grit next season. Toronto, Boston, Ottawa, Montreal and to some extent Buffalo have a lot of grit. We'll have to sacrifice skill for grit.

I think our defense and goaltending is pretty much set. Gustavsson for one more season before Mrazek is backup in 2014/2015. I'd buyout Colaiacovo, even though he did ok in playoffs.

Kronwall - Ericsson
DeKeyser - Smith
Quincey - Kindl
Lashoff

Now at forward we could have:

Tatar - Datsyuk - Brunner
Nyquist - Zetterberg - Franzen
Bertuzzi - Helm - Tootoo
Abdelkader - Andersson - Eaves
Emmerton

Buyout Samuelsson. If Helm hasn't recovered, promote Andersson to the third line, Emmerton to the fourth and callup Sheahan (I'd even put Sheahan ahead of Emmerton). This is a team put together with absolutely no moves (except re-signing our RFAs and Brunner). My only concern is our PK. We essentially lose Miller, Cleary and Filppula.

Unless they trade or waive certain players, I don't see them signing any new players. The FA crop isn't that great. Iginla isn't getting any younger and the first player under 30 who is worth looking at is Horton. Clowe, Ryder, MacArthur, Weiss and Clarkson are all worth looking at. I wonder if they could dump Emmerton somehow. Low round pick or something.

I think we will have to struggle one more year before a major roster shakeup will happen. Datsyuk, Bertuzzi, Eaves, Quincey, Ericsson and Gustavsson are all FA's. I'd re-sign Datsyuk if he wants to stay, DeKeyser obviously and Ericsson. That's about it. That gives four spots for new signings and/or promotions for prospects:

Jarnkrok, Ouellet, Sproul, Jurco, Frk, Pulkkinen, Callahan, Almquist and Ferraro to choose from essentially.


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^ To you two and others, you can only compliance buyout players with cap hits $3M or higher.

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By the way, if the main object is to free up some roster spots, we could make trades and retain some salary rather than buyout players. When it comes to Quincey, Cola and Sammy they only have a year left on their deals. We'd still open up cap space and could maybe get a couple of picks in the process. Win-win.

Leave a compliance buyout open for Franzen next summer just in case.

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By the way, if the main object is to free up some roster spots, we could make trades and retain some salary rather than buyout players. When it comes to Quincey, Cola and Sammy they only have a year left on their deals. We'd still open up cap space and could maybe get a couple of picks in the process. Win-win.

Leave a compliance buyout open for Franzen next summer just in case.
Pretty sure the compliance buyouts are only available for this summer. Buyout Sammy for sure. The Quincey hate needs to go away. He's a decent bottom pairing d-man. Let him play out his final year of contract and maybe move him at the deadline if the right situation arises.

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Time to get ride of Flippula. He is not good.


Z - Pav - Franzen
Tatar - Trade - Insert good UFA
Nyquist - Andersson - Brunner
Tootoo - Helm - Abby


Kronwall - Ericsson
Kindl - Dekesyer
Smith - New tough guy


Howard
Monster

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Pretty sure the compliance buyouts are only available for this summer. Buyout Sammy for sure. The Quincey hate needs to go away. He's a decent bottom pairing d-man. Let him play out his final year of contract and maybe move him at the deadline if the right situation arises.
i think you have two before 2014 season(basically one each summer if you wanted after the lockout)

sammy should be 100% gone, waste of money, cap space and roster spot

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Wow, Bickell contract was for less than 600 K this year. Would think he would've been in the 1.2 - 2M range. He's had 15+ goal seasons before. He's due for at least a 2 million dollar range raise easily on the open market.

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This is what I want:

Brunner-Datsyuk-Franzen
Horton-Zetterberg-Nyquist
Tatar-Helm-Stalberg (possible best 3rd line in the league, extreme speed and skill)
Sheahan/Bertuzzi/Tootoo-Andersson-Abdelkader

DeKeyser-Kronwall
Kindl-Ericsson
Quincey-Smith

Howard
whoever

That lineup honestly looks very dangerous to me. Brunner's adjusted to the NA game now, and with an offseason of training, will be a force in terms of goal scoring. Datsyuk can sauce passes to him all day, and Franzen can just be there until he decides to show up for the few games he does every year. Also he's a decent net front presence.

Horton brings an awesome physical presence to that 2nd line, and Z and Gus have obvious chemistry that needs to be exploited. Awesome pairing with those two and then Horton can pop in the other goals/create space. Would be the big skilled winger we've needed for a while.

Third line is absolutely amazing. If Helm is able to play at full speed (which is wishful thinking I admit), that line will decimate any defense in the league. Tatar is skilled, fast, hardworking and can make some slick plays; Stalberg is a speed demon and works extremely hard on the forecheck (also has some sick skill), and then we have good ol' Helmer that can basically change the face of an entire game with his tenacity. If Helm is healthy by the start of next season (100%), I think we'll see huge goals scored from that line all year.

Fourth line is forechecking and some physicality. Sheahan, Bertuzzi and tootoo are all interchangeable.
Andersson is a great center and PKs well, Sheahan is a good 2way shutdown guy and abs we know is our only real physical presence. He's also come into his own these playoffs.

The defense isn't as exciting, but I feel like DeKeyser's scarily calm and collected game would mesh wonderfully with Kronwall, and let him open up offensively to light up his numbers again. Second pairing works on the same concept with Kindl, and then the last pairing is hinging on the hopes that Smith takes a big step forward to where he was last year (ironic but true).

Overall I'm excietd for next year
I really like Stallberg. I think in the right situation he's a stud.

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i think you have two before 2014 season(basically one each summer if you wanted after the lockout)

sammy should be 100% gone, waste of money, cap space and roster spot
Samuelsson needs to be gone #1. I agree save the 2nd for next year and Franzen possibly.

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BUYOUTS

During the ordinary course buyout periods in June 2013 and June 2014, teams will be permitted two compliance buyouts. Compliance buyouts follow the same formula as ordinary-course buyouts — either 1/3 or 2/3 of actual salary depending on age — but do not count against the cap.

The NHL allowed teams to execute one of their two compliance buyout options prior to the 2012-13 season on players with cap hits of more than $3 million. Two teams exercised the option: the Montreal Canadiens on Scott Gomez and the New York Rangers on Wade Redden. The players received full pay and counted at their full cap hit for 2012-13, after which the compliance buyout payments kick in.

For one season following a compliance buyout, the player is prohibited from rejoining the team that bought him out.

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^ To you two and others, you can only compliance buyout players with cap hits $3M or higher.
No you can use them for anyone. Same as normal buyouts. Daly said this weeks ago.

It was only for those before the season buyouts (Redded, Gomez) that it had to be over 3. mil.

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No you can use them for anyone. Same as normal buyouts. Daly said this weeks ago.

It was only for those before the season buyouts (Redded, Gomez) that it had to be over 3. mil.
Oh yeah? I missed that part of the deal. We can include Cola as a suspect then, even if I think Kenny loves his defensemen too much.

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So many players, that pretty much guarantees some movement, I think. As far as re-signing free agents, I see this:

Re-sign: Brunner, Kindl, Smith, Nyquist, Andersson, Miller.

Let walk: White, Filppula, Cleary (but if he comes back for dirt cheap and a one year deal I wouldn't complain. The dude IS a warrior when used properly).

I know Eaves and Miller are just extras, but they're always great when we need them to be, so I'd hate to let either one go if we don't have to.

UFA-Datsyuk-Abdelkader (You know he's there to stay)
Franzen-Zetterberg-Nyquist
Brunner-Helm-Tatar
Tootoo-Andersson-Eaves
Miller, Cleary

Kronwall-Ericsson
DeKeyser-Kindl
Smith-Quincey
Colaiacovo

Not a bad lineup after what we've seen this playoff run. I'd like to see another top 6 scorer because I'm not sure how well Nyquist will do just yet on the second line, and you can never have too many top 6 scorers, but I'll settle for something like this.

EDIT: Yikes, I forgot about Kindl. We really do have a backlog.


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FORWARD:
Weiss (3.00m) - Datsyuk - Franzen
Nyquist (1.5m) - Zetterberg - Clarkson (4.00m)
Abdelkader - Helm - Tatar
Eaves -Anderson (1.00m) - Tootoo

Bertuzzi/Emmerton

DEFENSE:
Ericsson - Kronwall
Dekeyser - Quincey
Smith (1.75m) - Ferrence (1.5m)

Kindl (1.5m)/Lashoff

GOAL:
Howard
Gustavson.
imo clarkson will get more than 4mil
weiss will get more than 3mil
ference will get more than 1.5mil

i wouldn't mind having clarkson, but he'll cost too much for what he brings and possibly likewise with horton. i want no part of jagr who moves like an early WW1 tank these days. weiss i don't want. ference, i wouldn't mind, but i doubt we sign an NHL d-man this summer and imo Kindl is improving all the time and i wouldnt wnat the kids' game time to be compromised.

i foresee sth along these lines:

abdelkader-datsyuk-franzen
nyquist-zetterberg-cleary
tatar-andersson-brunner
miller-emmerton-eaves

tootoo&bertuzzi

kronwall-ericsson
quincey-smith
dekeyser-kindl

colaiacovo

howard
gustavsson

basically very little movement and i'm being a pessimist and predicting that helm at least isn't fit to start the season i would only consider giving cleary a new deal if it was on 1yr/$1.5mil max, but im sure he'll get one. flip may well stay, miller may well go, but i'd be surprised if my team is far wrong.

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oh and i know it wouldn't happen, but if he becomes a RFA, i'd totally offer sheet ryan mcdonagh to a big deal. i reckon the rangers would match anything, but he's a potential franchise d-man imo. like i said, not happening for numerous reasons, but if i'm playing GM, i consider that.

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imo clarkson will get more than 4mil
weiss will get more than 3mil
ference will get more than 1.5mil

i wouldn't mind having clarkson, but he'll cost too much for what he brings and possibly likewise with horton. i want no part of jagr who moves like an early WW1 tank these days. weiss i don't want. ference, i wouldn't mind, but i doubt we sign an NHL d-man this summer and imo Kindl is improving all the time and i wouldnt wnat the kids' game time to be compromised.

basically very little movement and i'm being a pessimist and predicting that helm at least isn't fit to start the season i would only consider giving cleary a new deal if it was on 1yr/$1.5mil max, but im sure he'll get one. flip may well stay, miller may well go, but i'd be surprised if my team is far wrong.
You're probably right on Clarkson. I may have underpaid the figure he will end up with. But he is exactly what Detroit needs upfront. Horton long term probably scares most team in the league. With his concussion issues, I don't see teams lining up to hand him long term, big money deals.

Weiss had a terrible season last year and is coming off injury. I don't see him getting a raise. 3.0 to 3.5 is what he gets IMO. If he doesn't return to Florida, I could see Weiss bolting to a big market ater being burried in oblivion for his entire career... and maybe even taking a discount to do so.

As for Kindl, this is a personal opinion, But he doesn't have the footspeed to play in the NHL (backwards or forwards skating). It was painful for me to watch. If he has three steps on an incoming forechecker he is usually beaten to the puck. Guy has decent puck skills, but not enough to ignore his lead feet and low compete levels. Veteran for depth is needed. The defense was only average this year.

Of course your team is far more likely to be accurate. You endeavoured in no wild speculating and stuck to players within the org. How dare you?

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