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06-01-2013, 02:29 PM
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You trade for Horton's rights and go that way. Sign him before the free agency.
We are div. rivals with Boston next year.

Holland doesn't like to trade much anyway, when was the last time he traded with div. rival?

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We are div. rivals with Boston next year.

Holland doesn't like to trade much anyway, when was the last time he traded with div. rival?
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2002 3rd round pick (#95-Valtteri Filppula)

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There could also be a scenario, where some Western Conference team trades the rights of Horton, he denies that offer and then he gets traded second time. That's Wings time to hit in. Same happened with Ehrhoff for example. His rights were traded from Canucks to Islanders, he denied their offer and his right were traded for Buffalo, where he signed.

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There could also be a scenario, where somebody trades the right of Horton from Western conference, Horton denies that offer and then he gets traded second time. That's Wings time to hit in.
Oh yes, teh Williams trade.. last time Holland traded roster player, too?

I hope he is aggressive but I don't see it. Horton is the biggest fish there imo but if you're going to give a prospect or mid pick for Horton's right's you have to be able to pay the man his money. Which could be closer to 6. mil long-termm

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06-01-2013, 02:56 PM
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Since Bert signed a 35+ Contract even if he does retire were still on the hook for his salary for next year so if he's hurt and cant play he would be better off on LTIR.
Holland could buy him out. Plus we should have plenty of cap space with all those youngsters I have penciled into the lineup.

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06-01-2013, 03:15 PM
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Out of the guys available right now, I'd be surprised to see us sign any of them (unless things with Datsyuk fall through). There's a fair bit of mid-level talent available (Horton, Clarkson, Weiss), but I think it's guys we'd have to sign to contracts we won't like, and will possibly come to hate within two or three years.

If we're making a roster move of significance, I think it's going to have to be either through trade or if someone shakes loose with a buyout.

So I see a team of pretty much what we have now, which I'm pretty okay with if it means the young guys get bigger roles and we don't get tied down with more iffy contracts.

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06-01-2013, 03:47 PM
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Out of the guys available right now, I'd be surprised to see us sign any of them (unless things with Datsyuk fall through). There's a fair bit of mid-level talent available (Horton, Clarkson, Weiss), but I think it's guys we'd have to sign to contracts we won't like, and will possibly come to hate within two or three years.

If we're making a roster move of significance, I think it's going to have to be either through trade or if someone shakes loose with a buyout.

So I see a team of pretty much what we have now, which I'm pretty okay with if it means the young guys get bigger roles and we don't get tied down with more iffy contracts.

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Gustav Nyquist ($1.350m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m)
Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Damien Brunner ($2.750m)
Tomas Tatar ($0.840m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Mikael Samuelsson ($3.000m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m) / Joakim Andersson ($0.850m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.200m)
Jordin Tootoo ($1.900m) / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) /
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Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)
Danny DeKeyser ($1.350m) / Brendan Smith ($2.250m)
Kyle Quincey ($3.775m) / Jakub Kindl ($1.750m)
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CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $3,732,121
I am not sure why, perhaps its the rumoured interest from around the deadline, but i can see us signing weiss to a four year 18$ million dollar deal. Its seems like a very Kenny type of move and he would be a solid 2nd line centremen. Dont think datsyuk resigning effects it as i dont forsee kenny ir babs handing over fulltime top 6 centre duties to jarnkrok or sheahan anytime in the next three years at the earliest. I think sammy is then bought out .

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06-01-2013, 04:04 PM
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Holland could buy him out. Plus we should have plenty of cap space with all those youngsters I have penciled into the lineup.
True that Holland could buy out Bert, But he wont because he has to much loyalty to him i think he would still rather have him as a healthy scratch on most night then buy him out.

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06-01-2013, 04:09 PM
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Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Mule
Nyquist-Weiss-Brunner
Tatar-Helm-Abdelkader
Miller-Andersson-Bertuzzi/Eaves/Tootoo

I've said it before, Weiss gives us tremendous depth at center, replaces Filppula, and I think he's suffering from Brassard syndrome. Change of scenery should help. Hell, during the playoffs, we could have centers consisting of: Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Weiss, and Helm. Absolutely terrific.

If we add Horton or Clarkson with Weiss.

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Surprises me to see some of the salaries listed for the arbitration eligible players. Some of them seem a bit on the high side.

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Surprises me to see some of the salaries listed for the arbitration eligible players. Some of them seem a bit on the high side.
It has to be at least 40% of there current salary.

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Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Mule
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Tatar-Helm-Abdelkader
Miller-Andersson-Bertuzzi/Eaves/Tootoo

I've said it before, Weiss gives us tremendous depth at center, replaces Filppula, and I think he's suffering from Brassard syndrome. Change of scenery should help. Hell, during the playoffs, we could have centers consisting of: Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Weiss, and Helm. Absolutely terrific.

If we add Horton or Clarkson with Weiss.

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Mule
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All under 6'.

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All under 6'.
Small guy = less exhaustion. It's pretty important for our skating dynamo-centers.

We need size on wings, not in the middle.

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I am not sure why, perhaps its the rumoured interest from around the deadline, but i can see us signing weiss to a four year 18$ million dollar deal. Its seems like a very Kenny type of move and he would be a solid 2nd line centremen. Dont think datsyuk resigning effects it as i dont forsee kenny ir babs handing over fulltime top 6 centre duties to jarnkrok or sheahan anytime in the next three years at the earliest. I think sammy is then bought out .
I might have started the Weiss rumors around here before he was injured He's been a rumored target of Detroit's for awhile, and I like the idea of him coming in and being even our third center and pushing Helm to the fourth line. I wouldn't complain about the signing, and I think he could give really good value for it (I think Ryder could be a high value signing, too), but I'm just not sold on Holland making any moves. It seems like he's aiming for bigger moves, or just riding with what we have.

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After thinking about it, I think the signs point to

1. The signing of some sort of center. I think this because Holland is obsessive about having proper depth, and without Fil he doesn't have the flexibility to put Z+D together. I really think one of Fil/Weiss will be signed to check that box.

2. Not much else. When Holland says training camp is going to be "competition," I think he's essentially trying to put a positive spin on not making any large moves. If he signed somebody big, it would decide a larger part of the roster based on what that player brings... and it would be much less of a competition. Signing a center for the one he lost keeps things basically the same and makes the "competition" thing make sense: tons of wingers competing for the same jobs.

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If we're making a roster move of significance, I think it's going to have to be either through trade or if someone shakes loose with a buyout.
Nill has talked about this as a possible way he'll gather some new talent to Dallas. GMs are keeping their eye on that for sure. Bargain hunting at the NHL level.

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Small guy = less exhaustion. It's pretty important for our skating dynamo-centers.

We need size on wings, not in the middle.
Size down the middle is definitely overrated... I mean, what have guys like Malkin, Getzlaf and Thornton ever done in the league?

Helm's the only burner down the middle that we have right now. Pavel sometimes shows off an extra gear, but Z has pedestrian speed and Andersson is SLOW. And larger centers can wear down the opposition with their size, too. I wouldn't mind some effective size down the middle- although I don't see that happening any time soon.

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Nill has talked about this as a possible way he'll gather some new talent to Dallas. GMs are keeping their eye on that for sure. Bargain hunting at the NHL level.
Depending on the guy, it might not be much of a bargain. I think we're either looking at a guy like Richards, who will command less just because his play seems to have slipped a bit lately, or someone who will pocket a big chunk of change from their previous team, only to sign another deal for a remarkably similar chunk of change.

Unless you're rolling the dice on someone, bargains don't seem to exist on the open market.

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All under 6'.
All excellent two way players though and that goes a long way in this league, especially in the playoffs. I would really like the Wings' forward lines if the center is the primary two way player on the line. If Helm becomes healthy again, then Weiss provides amazing center depth and easily the best lineup of two way centers in the league. Babcock would have the versatility of bringing Weiss to the 2nd line as a winger as well, or having Z be on the 1st line with Pasha.

You can have smaller centers and then have bigger wingers who clear space for them (Abby, Mule when motivated, Bert, etc.).

While the Tatar-Helm-Brunner line could be a speed demon's dream, I don't think it's going to happen because it doesn't fit Babcock's ideal line with a big power forward/two way forward. I think that Abby ends up on the 3rd line in a scoring role rather than the checking role most of us would prefer him in. If Abby isn't a 3rd liner then I wouldn't be surprised if Cleary is in that spot with Helm and Tatar/Brunner.

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I can live without Stalberg, but take on Bickell at the right price. 15-20 goal scorer with that size, arguably with his best years yet to come.

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I can live without Stalberg, but take on Bickell at the right price. 15-20 goal scorer with that size, arguably with his best years yet to come.
I'm leery of the price. Aside from a few guys whose stock was low heading into the summer, GMs seem to spend like drunken idiots on UFA.

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Zetterberg- Datsyuk- Abdelkader
Franzen- Helm- Brunner
Tatar- Andersson- Nyquist
Miller- Emmerton- Eaves

If Helm doesn't work out as a 2nd line center, maybe this

Abdelkader- Datsyuk- Tatar
Franzen- Zetterberg- Nyquist
Bertuzzi- Helm- Brunner
Miller- Andersson- Eaves

Also these are what i think will actually happen. I'd love for us to get Bickell and Stalberg, but those chances are low.

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Miller- Emmerton- Eaves
That will never happen. Järnkrok comes in before we can try that kind of stuff.

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Franzen played his best regular season hockey as a center, and it's a position he knows after all. It seems to get him going to take on some defensive responsibilities. Maybe worth another go.

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Zetterberg- Datsyuk- Abdelkader
Franzen- Helm- Brunner
Tatar- Andersson- Nyquist
Miller- Emmerton- Eaves

If Helm doesn't work out as a 2nd line center, maybe this

Abdelkader- Datsyuk- Tatar
Franzen- Zetterberg- Nyquist
Bertuzzi- Helm- Brunner
Miller- Andersson- Eaves

Also these are what i think will actually happen. I'd love for us to get Bickell and Stalberg, but those chances are low.
you seriously think the Wings will try out Helm on the 2nd line?

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