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06-01-2013, 10:40 PM
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And why would he want to leave toronto?

PPG in the past 2 Seasons
He Gets 1st line Time + 1st Line PP Unit
Finally made the playoffs, Kessel was a big part of our success

I don't see why he would leave, unless there are forwards that are eating his ice time (there are none, fortunately)
There are very few teams where he wouldn't get 1st line time + first pp, and those teams where he wouldn't probably cant afford his cap hit (this year and the raise he is going to get)

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Honestly man, you need to learn how to read people better. What kind of message does it say to the fans and the media when you call your best player one of the best players in the league and then right after, you ship him off at the draft.

It says you don't believe this team is a winner so we should get rid of our best player for lesser parts.
And how do you know he is gonna get traded for lesser parts?

If Jeff Carter can get Jakub Voracek, Sean Couturier and a 3rd round pick, then the package for Kessel should be even better than that.

And that is a pretty good package.

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Ur right, if it was as simple as just giving him the money he wants, and he stays. But I don't think it is that simple. And if he goes to free agency, he is getting

1- Probably 8-8.5 million on a REAL LONG term deal

2- A chance to play in any city he wants

3- A chance to play with whoever he wants

4- A chance to get away from the HORRIBLE Toronto media


People tend to forget, that PHIL KESSEL holds all of the power, not The Toronto Maple Leafs. When you are player of that caliber, you know your are going to get your payday. And if yo don't believe me, ask the New Jersey Devils. They lost their captain to free agency, and they had just gone to the Stanley Cup Finals.
1- No team can offer Kessel longer term as a FA than the Leafs can.
2- Kessel had a chance to talk to several teams last time he was a free agent, he chose Toronto and agreed to a deal. Burke worked out a trade instead of going the offer sheet route.

Toronto has cap space and the money to pay as much as any team, we can offer him the longest term and he already chose to play here once.

Want to make a user name bet on this? If Kessel is traded at the draft you choose my new user name, if he isnt I choose yours. You in?

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06-01-2013, 10:46 PM
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And how do you know he is gonna get traded for lesser parts?

If Jeff Carter can get Jakub Voracek, Sean Couturier and a 3rd round pick, then the package for Kessel should be even better than that.

And that is a pretty good package.
1 of those players was signed long term, 1 isnt.
Also for every example of a trade working out like that there are just as many trades not working out when trading a star player.

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06-01-2013, 10:47 PM
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If Nonis knows that Kessel is not gonna re-sign then you trade him.


What would get more backlash?


I think the answer is quite easy


1- Trading Phil Kessel for an amazing package, since that is what he would get for him

OR

2- Losing Phil Kessel to free agency and getting nothing for him
That maybe true, but there was no underlying meaning to what he said in the interview, because it could be interpreted in many different ways. That's prolly just how he felt.

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06-01-2013, 10:48 PM
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If Nonis knows that Kessel is not gonna re-sign then you trade him.


What would get more backlash?



1- Trading Phil Kessel for an amazing package, since that is what he would get for him

OR

2- Losing Phil Kessel to free agency and getting nothing for him


I think the answer is quite easy
If it is so clear that Kessel is going to test free agency why would another team give us an amazing package for him?

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06-01-2013, 10:49 PM
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1 of those players was signed long term, 1 isnt.
Also for every example of a trade working out like that there are just as many trades not working out when trading a star player.
But Richards contract was so long, it actually brought DOWN his value.

And the team that trades for Kessel would have to pretty sure he would resign with them to make the trade.

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06-01-2013, 10:49 PM
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If Nonis knows that Kessel is not gonna re-sign then you trade him.


What would get more backlash?



1- Trading Phil Kessel for an amazing package, since that is what he would get for him

OR

2- Losing Phil Kessel to free agency and getting nothing for him


I think the answer is quite easy
You Wont get an "Amazing Package" For a Rental, even if it was Sidney Crosby.

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06-01-2013, 10:52 PM
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But Richards contract was so long, it actually brought DOWN his value.

And the team that trades for Kessel would have to pretty sure he would resign with them to make the trade.
So we cant resign Kessel because he want to test the UFA market but if we trade him he will resign with that team?

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If it is so clear that Kessel is going to test free agency why would another team give us an amazing package for him?
It's good point, but it depends on what the team thinks of their chances are at resigning him. If he got traded to, let's say Minnesota, I think there would be a good chance at him re-signing and not hitting free agency. I guess it depends on the team acquiring him, on what they think their chances are at keeping him longterm.

It could totally backfire on them for sure. It is just about calculated risk

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06-01-2013, 10:53 PM
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What is lost every time people say Kessel wont want to sign here is he already chose the Leafs once.

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06-01-2013, 10:54 PM
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Because he could walk for nothing at the end of the year.......

And the way this market has treated him, I wouldn't blame him if he did want to go to some market in the U.S and not be blasted everyday by fans and media alike. He is gonna get paid no matter what city he goes too, so why would HE WANT TO RE-SIGN in Toronto? Especially if his best friend leaves the team????
Except neither he nor his camp have given any indication that he is not perfectly happy in Toronto. I don't think resigning him is a sure thing, but, at this stage, I think it is very likely that a deal can and will be worked out.

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Kessel averages like 30-35 goals.

Frattin in a fulltime top 6 role probably gets 15-20.


So the drop off is not that extreme.
It's the difference between Mats Sundin and Chad Kilger if you want to stick to the numbers. Yes, the drop off is that extreme.

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So we cant resign Kessel because he want to test the UFA market but if we trade him he will resign with that team?
I just personally think he will want off of the Leafs, when Bozak goes considering all of the crap he has taken from fans and media alike, and I dont think he is gonna want another 5 or 6 years of it. UFA is the best way for to get off of the Leafs, but that doesn't mean if he gets traded to a team he likes, he won't resign.

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Unless its for a top young C in the league, i wouldn't trade Kessel. He's one of the best wingers in the game.. I hated him but this season he has made me like him, has improved his game all together so much.

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06-01-2013, 10:56 PM
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It's good point, but it depends on what the team thinks of their chances are at resigning him. If he got traded to, let's say Minnesota, I think there would be a good chance at him re-signing and not hitting free agency. I guess it depends on the team acquiring him, on what they think their chances are at keeping him longterm.

It could totally backfire on them for sure. It is just about calculated risk
Minnesota don't have tons of cap space nor do they have a first round pick in this draft to trade us for Kessel.

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It's good point, but it depends on what the team thinks of their chances are at resigning him. If he got traded to, let's say Minnesota, I think there would be a good chance at him re-signing and not hitting free agency. I guess it depends on the team acquiring him, on what they think their chances are at keeping him longterm.

It could totally backfire on them for sure. It is just about calculated risk
Kinda like Toronto?

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What is lost every time people say Kessel wont want to sign here is he already chose the Leafs once.
He just wanted off of Boston, and he chose the Leafs like 5 years ago. That was before all of the crap he has taken for the last 5 years. It is a completely different situation, now and then.

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I just personally think he will want off of the Leafs, when Bozak goes considering all of the crap he has taken from fans and media alike, and I dont think he is gonna want another 5 or 6 years of it. UFA is the best way for to get off of the Leafs, but that doesn't mean if he gets traded to a team he likes, he won't resign.
He wanted to come here. He has never said he wanted to leave but he has said he loves playing here several times.

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What is lost every time people say Kessel wont want to sign here is he already chose the Leafs once.
Exactly. I can still picture him saying

"I want to play in the greatest hockey city in the world"

"They love hockey, I love hockey"

Theres no reason he should leave, god forbid.

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It's the difference between Mats Sundin and Chad Kilger if you want to stick to the numbers. Yes, the drop off is that extreme.
But you tend to forget that Kessel would actually be getting something in return. That is what would happen if he just walks at the end of the year for nothing.

Yes it would be a drop in winger production going from Kessel to Frattin.

But it could be increased production from the center position if they pick up a good center in the package. So the production will probably even out, except Toronto would be solving their bigggest issue, Depth down the middle.

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He just wanted off of Boston, and he chose the Leafs like 5 years ago. That was before all of the crap he has taken for the last 5 years. It is a completely different situation, now and then.
We weren't the only team interested in Kessel at that time. We were the one he chose. And for the last 2 years 90% of the media attention Kessel has gotten has been positive.

And do you think Bozak is his only friend on the team?

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He wanted to come here. He has never said he wanted to leave but he has said he loves playing here several times.
And what is he gonna say, " I Hate playing for the Leafs" while still being under contract with them. That would be suicide in this market. He is not that stupid.

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We weren't the only team interested in Kessel at that time. We were the one he chose. And for the last 2 years 90% of the media attention Kessel has gotten has been positive.

And do you think Bozak is his only friend on the team?
No, he does have other friends, but Bozak is his room mate and best friend. There is a big difference. They call them Bert and Ernie. They are always together, and if he loses Bozak, it would be a huge hit to his life and how he goes about his daily life. Cuz people tend to forget, they do have lives outside of the rink

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Honestly unless you have insider information or you're his agent, please shut up lol.

It's like the people saying Malkin wants a trade...

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