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06-02-2013, 03:58 PM
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Question I was interested to get the Colorado fans' take on:

Let's say there's a hypothetical restriction that the 1st overall pick could only be traded for a single player, not a package of players and picks. Note that you get that player on their existing contract, age, upcoming UFA/RFA status, etc.

What's the list of players you'd be willing to trade the 1st overall pick for?


edit: Feel free to list any player you'd trade for, even if you're sure the other team wouldn't do the trade.


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naw, you give him Benn type money and extension. saves money in the future and cap space. he'll easily get 7 or more if he gets closer to FA. i'd rather the team give him 5-6 now rather than more later.
the real question is ROR's next deal. does he end up making more than Duchene again? i just can't see it, but his agent isn't likely to allow them to pay him significantly less than the QO.
I am sure the Avs will get Duchene at a "discount". Heck, the guy would probably offer to take a discount to stay an Av.

As for O'Reilly, there is honestly no way he should be making more than Duchene. It will be really interesting to see how the FO handles this, especially with the addition of Roy.

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HNIC just said contract extension talk should begin soon with Matt Duchene

Also said Avs will be either 1-2-3 but not below unless huge offer is made.
Just got around to watching this. One thing is pretty obvious already, Avs aren't going to be the most secretive team in the league anymore. Roy is directly talking to reporters and giving them some information.

Duchene should be given a big long-term extension this offseason. Show the franchise player some respect for all the work he has put in and for the great season he just had. Being a former player or maybe by just using his brain, Roy realizes this and they'll try to get something done. Duchene deserves to be the highest paid player on the team when his new contract kicks in and everyone else should come in below that.

Yes, that includes O'Reilly as well. After this upcoming season, O'Reilly should not be making as much or more than Duchene. I hope he is willing to accept that and they can get a deal done with him as well. He's one of my favourite players but if they can't agree to an extension this summer or at least make good progress on an extension, they'll have to look at trading him.

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Question I was interested to get the Colorado fans' take on:

Let's say there's a hypothetical restriction that the 1st overall pick could only be traded for a single player, not a package of players and picks. Note that you get that player on their existing contract, age, upcoming UFA/RFA status, etc.

What's the list of players you'd be willing to trade the 1st overall pick for?

For me it would have to be for one of the elite D men who still have some years left (ie not Chara), so Weber, Karlsson, Pietro, Letang, Suter, Doughty. Or some younger forwards you couldn't say no to...for example, Stamkos, Ovi, Malkin, maybe Crosby (his injuries make me reluctant from wanting him on my team), Giroux, Toews and probably a couple others

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Question I was interested to get the Colorado fans' take on:

Let's say there's a hypothetical restriction that the 1st overall pick could only be traded for a single player, not a package of players and picks. Note that you get that player on their existing contract, age, upcoming UFA/RFA status, etc.

What's the list of players you'd be willing to trade the 1st overall pick for?
OEL, Pietrangelo. (not going to bother with completely unrealistic targets).

Won't happen so we'll have to settle for Jones.

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06-02-2013, 04:20 PM
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OEL, Pietrangelo. (not going to bother with completely unrealistic targets).

Won't happen so we'll have to settle for Jones.
Damn.


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Question I was interested to get the Colorado fans' take on:

Let's say there's a hypothetical restriction that the 1st overall pick could only be traded for a single player, not a package of players and picks. Note that you get that player on their existing contract, age, upcoming UFA/RFA status, etc.

What's the list of players you'd be willing to trade the 1st overall pick for?
For defencemen, Ekman-Larsson, Pietrangelo, McDonagh, Doughty, or Hedman.

Then there is the elite forwards around P.Kane's level that I would think about.

I don't think the 1st could bring back any of these guys though. Only way I would imagine it could happen would be if St. Louis knew that Pietrangelo wanted to leave, or same with McDonagh in New York. Can't see it ever happening though.

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06-02-2013, 04:24 PM
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OEL, Pietrangelo. (not going to bother with completely unrealistic targets).

Won't happen so we'll have to settle for Jones.
Yeah, a young defenseman who has the potential to be elite is what I would want. Even those two are unrealistic IMO but it would take something like that.

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I wouldn't trade the pick for Hedman or McDonagh. I think Hedman is going to be a really good defender but I don't think he can control the pace of the game like the others can. Same goes for McDonagh.

Avs need a defender that is very good with the puck and is able to think the game at a very high level more than anything. Jones fits that perfectly. EJ/Siemens bring the elements Hedman/McDonagh can bring, even if it's at a lower level.

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For defencemen, Ekman-Larsson, Pietrangelo, McDonagh, Doughty, or Hedman.

Then there is the elite forwards around P.Kane's level that I would think about.

I don't think the 1st could bring back any of these guys though. Only way I would imagine it could happen would be if St. Louis knew that Pietrangelo wanted to leave, or same with McDonagh in New York. Can't see it ever happening though.
McDonagh and Hedman aren't getting the 1st overall from us, especially McDonagh, he does not belong in the list you put up. Hedman is good and will continue to get better, but I'd rather have Jones.

OEL, Pietro, Doughty, etc... all those teams would rather have their guy than a prospect. It's really illogical to look for one player and it makes no sense for most teams to offer up the type of quantity we need for it to be worthwhile.

We're going to keep the 1st or at most move to 3rd.

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06-02-2013, 04:34 PM
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For defencemen, Ekman-Larsson, Pietrangelo, McDonagh, Doughty, or Hedman.
Minus McDonagh and Hedman.

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Question I was interested to get the Colorado fans' take on:

Let's say there's a hypothetical restriction that the 1st overall pick could only be traded for a single player, not a package of players and picks. Note that you get that player on their existing contract, age, upcoming UFA/RFA status, etc.

What's the list of players you'd be willing to trade the 1st overall pick for?


edit: Feel free to list any player you'd trade for, even if you're sure the other team wouldn't do the trade.
Theres certainly not many in my mind.


Crosby, Malkin, Stamkos, Toews, Karlsson, Pietrangelo.


Those would be the only one's in which I would do it for sure.


Then, Ovechkin, Tavares, Kane(Patty), Doughty, OEL, Hall, Weber I would strongly consider, but not sure I would pull the trigger on.

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So with the idea of Nichushkin potentially being another solid player for the Avs to take, I wonder would Carolina move the #5 pick + Murphy to get to #1?


#5 is still guaranteed 1 of the big 5. NSH seems to really like Barkov and IMO will take him there regardless of who's still on the board when they pick(With the exception of maybe Mackinnon).

So really, it would likely only by Nichushkin or Drouin that could potentially still be there at that spot.

One of them + Murphy would be a pretty good return.

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Question I was interested to get the Colorado fans' take on:

Let's say there's a hypothetical restriction that the 1st overall pick could only be traded for a single player, not a package of players and picks. Note that you get that player on their existing contract, age, upcoming UFA/RFA status, etc.

What's the list of players you'd be willing to trade the 1st overall pick for?


edit: Feel free to list any player you'd trade for, even if you're sure the other team wouldn't do the trade.
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For defencemen, Ekman-Larsson, Pietrangelo, McDonagh, Doughty, or Hedman.
Although unlikely, as Avs71 said, I'd switch Keith for McDonagh (even with Keith's contract) and that is pretty much my list.

Forwards are probably more numerous, but if the trade is for #1 overall, I'd really only want to see the elusive top pairing defenseman coming back.

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So with the idea of Nichushkin potentially being another solid player for the Avs to take, I wonder would Carolina move the #5 pick + Murphy to get to #1?


#5 is still guaranteed 1 of the big 5. NSH seems to really like Barkov and IMO will take him there regardless of who's still on the board when they pick(With the exception of maybe Mackinnon).

So really, it would likely only by Nichushkin or Drouin that could potentially still be there at that spot.

One of them + Murphy would be a pretty good return.
Murphy is struggling quite a bit in his development from what I've seen posted by Carolina fans. He wouldn't be the plus I'd want.

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So I'm not sure if I'm drinking the koolaid, but I really like the way things have come together. We've got a nice team going in the front office with Pracey, Sherman, Roy and Billington there under super Joe. And we've put some good coaches that Roy should be comfortable with on his staff behind the bench. With the first overall pick to add to this young roster there really do seem to be a lot of good pieces in the mix, now we just gotta wait and see how it plays out.

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Duchene is the only one I'd do an extension with. I would be okay with him because he's not a lazy player and the guy is dedicated to the team and wants to win with us rather than just cash in.

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Of those who'll be RFAs at the end of next year, I see this:

O'Reilly - who knows
Duchene - Sign him up cheap and long term, he'll want to be here and we'll want to do it, probably 6-ish million at max term, probably this summer
Landeskog - I think everyone would want to wait until next summer and then he'd get a bridge deal
McGinn - Next summer, something around 2mil (hopefully, as in his play this season warrants it)Olver - I hope he's able to stick on the big team by then
Barrie/Elliott - Hunwick and Zanon will be gone by this point, they should be full time on the Avs by then unless one is traded, something a bit longer than a bridge deal here maybe.
Varlamov - Like Landeskog, both sides would want to wait until next year I think. Hopefully he's due a big raise.

I agree on the trying to get as many signed as soon as possible. Duchene's the big one, and should presumably be the easiest too.

We wont get McGinn at 2M considering he put up 20 goals in his first half year here, and was on a 20 goal pace again this year.

If he puts up 20-25 again next year, or potentially even up to 30, he'll cost 3.5-4M.


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Duchene is the only one I'd do an extension with. I would be okay with him because he's not a lazy player and the guy is dedicated to the team and wants to win with us rather than just cash in.
We wouldn't have to worry about Landeskog or Oreilly either. ROR might not have the team oriented desire to win like Duchene does(He still has that desire, but maybe not as strong as Dutchy) but he certainly has the personal desire. ROR would never take a night off, even after getting a bigger paycheck.

And with Landy being captain we wouldn't have to worry about him being Lazy either. But I would think we should probably wait till next summer to start talking with him. Unless he's willing to take a bridge deal now.


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Do not need to overpay for McGinn. He is a solid player but there are other 20 goal scorers you can get for 2.5 m and it's not like he's a defensive specialist either.

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Do not need to overpay for McGinn. He is a solid player but there are other 20 goal scorers you can get for 2.5 m and it's not like he's a defensive specialist either.
You wont find any 20+ goal scorers through the UFA market for 2.5M. 3M is about the lowest you'll see.


And McGinn may not be that great Defensively, but he is a physical, hard to play against guy that we desperately need more of in our top 6/9.

He's the type of player Roy will want on the team.

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No point in getting rid of McGinn if he demands 2.5 mil. Keep him for that.

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Do not need to overpay for McGinn. He is a solid player but there are other 20 goal scorers you can get for 2.5 m and it's not like he's a defensive specialist either.
Huh? You can't find 20 goal scorers for 2.5M. We gave Jones 4M after back to back 20 goal years and I bet other teams would have come close.

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No point in getting rid of McGinn if he demands 2.5 mil. Keep him for that.
If McGinn gets $2.5M that means he didn't have the kind of season we hoped next year. If he continues on the same 20 goal 40-50 point pace he's been on the last two years, and provides the same physical presence, and hounding forecheck, he'll get $3-3.5M easily on his third deal. Perhaps more if he gets deeper into the 20+ goal range.

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If McGinn gets $2.5M that means he didn't have the kind of season we hoped next year. If he continues on the same 20 goal 40-50 point pace he's been on the last two years, and provides the same physical presence, and hounding forecheck, he'll get $3-3.5M easily on his third deal. Perhaps more if he gets deeper into the 20+ goal range.
Which is exactly why we should give him a 3M a year extension, hes proven enough to earn that. Both him and Downie should get extensions this off-season if you ask me.

Stastny, O'Reilly, Duchene, Landeskog, Downie, and McGinn should all get extensions IMO. The centers should all be long term deals as well.

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Which is exactly why we should give him a 3M a year extension, hes proven enough to earn that. Both him and Downie should get extensions this off-season if you ask me.

Stastny, O'Reilly, Duchene, Landeskog, Downie, and McGinn should all get extensions IMO. The centers should all be long term deals as well.
if he replicates his play from this year this following year with less minutes i'd be fine with that contract , if he takes a step back 2 million - 2.5 would be good.

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