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06-10-2013, 06:05 PM
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Rookie spots. Who comes up/goes/stays?

Next season brings big changes for this team. We could very well be looking at a very different team. How many new rookie spots on the roster should we create. Who do we buyout/trade/sign/let walk? Who do we bring up?

Through my research the most talked about players to go are Sammy, Cleary, Filppula, Bertuzzi, Quincey, Smith, Miller, Eaves and Tootoo.

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Who has Smith leaving?

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Who has Smith leaving?
Shortsighted people probably.

Although Smith is an asset other people would be interested in, can't say that about a lot of the other people that some of the posters around here want gone.

Would be very angry if they moved Smith. Of course I think Babcock might be the most upset so that does bode well for Smith sticking around.

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Sammys not going any where he's having off season surgery and wont be able to be boughout, Smiths not going any where and neither is Bertuzzi Quincey or Tootoo. Unless Holland plans on trading for Yandle in which i doubt, Then Smith will be resigned at will Kindl Quincey wont be going any where if Holland get's rid of any one on defense it will be Coloaiacovo.

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Who has Smith leaving?
From what I've seen he's only been mentioned leaving as part of a package for Malkin. I'd be ok with that.

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As far as rookies go.

Tatar hopefully is a lock. Ferraro or Sheahan should get a look if there is bottom 6 injuries, Jarnkrok or Jurco should get a look if there is top 6 injuries.

Personally I would like to see Jensen get a look as a 3rd pairing ES guy and a guy that could help with the PP.

Something like:

Kronwall-Ericsson
Smith-Dekeyser
Kindl-Jensen
CC (for his 10 games before he gets hurt)
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From what I've seen he's only been mentioned leaving as part of a package for Malkin. I'd be ok with that.
Depends on what else is in the package but I would be thrilled as well if we don't give up too much there.

That's fantasy land though

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From what I've seen he's only been mentioned leaving as part of a package for Malkin. I'd be ok with that.


Smith, Mrazek, couple 1st's, Nyquist/Tatar +

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Smith, Mrazek, couple 1st's, Nyquist/Tatar +
Take out Mrazek, I don't want to give up our one "good" goalie prospect.

Replace with something else, I don't know what else but goalie looks horrendously weak without Mrazek in our pipeline.

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As far as rookies go.

Tatar hopefully is a lock. Ferraro or Sheahan should get a look if there is bottom 6 injuries, Jarnkrok or Jurco should get a look if there is top 6 injuries.

Personally I would like to see Jensen get a look as a 3rd pairing ES guy and a guy that could help with the PP.

Something like:

Kronwall-Ericsson
Smith-Dekeyser
Kindl-Jensen
CC (for his 10 games before he gets hurt)
Lashoff

PP

Jensen-Kronwall
Kindl-Smith
Don't think it matters much who gets injured, they're just gonna go with the best guy for the call-up and likely bump one of the regulars up a notch.

As for Jensen what happens in GR will be telling, there's gonna be some healthy competition. You have the young but extremely promising guys in Ouellet and Sproul. You have Almquist who has a wealth of pro experience and one AHL year under his belt. Then you have Jensen who's the oldest of the bunch but has no pro experience. On top of that you have Marchenko who's in the middle of the pack age wise and has some pro experience, but likely needs to adapt to NA hockey for a while. Fair to say all these guys are starting in Grand Rapids at least, but two or three will probably get a cup of coffee next season.

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Don't think it matters much who gets injured, they're just gonna go with the best guy for the call-up and likely bump one of the regulars up a notch.

As for Jensen what happens in GR will be telling, there's gonna be some healthy competition. You have the young but extremely promising guys in Ouellet and Sproul. You have Almquist who has a wealth of pro experience and one AHL year under his belt. Then you have Jensen who's the oldest of the bunch but has no pro experience. On top of that you have Marchenko who's in the middle of the pack age wise and has some pro experience, but likely needs to adapt to NA hockey for a while. Fair to say all these guys are starting in Grand Rapids at least, but two or three will probably get a cup of coffee next season.
It absolutely matters who gets hurt. If it didn't matter then Tatar and Nyquist would have been on the team all year and Andersson never gets called up. Since a bottom 6 player was hurt and it was a PKer they called up Andersson and kept him up instead of Tatar/Nyquist. Also because he's a center.

They are going to call up someone different if a bottom 6 guy goes down as opposed to if a top 6 goes down.

I think Jensen and Marchenko are the best 2 options of those D to get some 3rd pairing and PP time. Don't think Ouellet or Sproul are ready. Don't think Almqvist is ever going to cut it at the next level. Just my opinion though.

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It absolutely matters who gets hurt. If it didn't matter then Tatar and Nyquist would have been on the team all year and Andersson never gets called up. Since a bottom 6 player was hurt and it was a PKer they called up Andersson and kept him up instead of Tatar/Nyquist. Also because he's a center.

They are going to call up someone different if a bottom 6 guy goes down as opposed to if a top 6 goes down.

I think Jensen and Marchenko are the best 2 options of those D to get some 3rd pairing and PP time. Don't think Ouellet or Sproul are ready. Don't think Almqvist is ever going to cut it at the next level. Just my opinion though.
Almqvist's hockey IQ should get him to the next level at some point, have my doubts that it will be in Detroit though, given the talent already here and about to be around him.

How long he stays in the NHL will likely come down to fitness and if he can put on 10 more lbs and get a half a step. He does those two things and he could play a decade on this side of the pond.

He is one of the better passers I have seen, especially at his age and transitioning to North America. He does something three or four times a game that probably isn't noticed by a lot of people, but is incredibly impressive and shows a full command of the game and what the situation dictates.

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Almqvist's hockey IQ should get him to the next level at some point, have my doubts that it will be in Detroit though, given the talent already here and about to be around him.

How long he stays in the NHL will likely come down to fit and if he can put on 10 more lbs and get a half a step. He does those two things and he could play a decade on this side of the pond.

He is one of the better passers I have seen, especially at his age and transitioning to North America. He does something three or four times a game that probably isn't noticed by a lot of people, but is incredibly impressive and shows a full command of the game and what the situation dictates.
Gaining muscle and gaining half a step are a lot easier said than done. People have limitations, and doing what you suggest is not always attainable. I saw the guy play quite a bit and I think he is awesome from center ice to the opposing goal. I think his passing and awareness in the offensive zone really are exceptional. That said, I saw him get pinned in his own end quite a bit by AHL forwards. He does not have a lot of D-zone coverage considering that he is shorter, not a great skater, and plays with a short stick. I think NHL forwards would eat him alive on the forecheck.

People say well Enstrom made it, so Almqvist will too. But really, Enstrom is a better skater and his lower body strength and core strength seem to be considerably better.

I love Almqvist's game in the offensive zone, I just doubt that the rest of the game can develop enough to play at the NHL level. Maybe he could be a 3rd pairing D and PP specialist, but I honestly don't know if even that.

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It absolutely matters who gets hurt. If it didn't matter then Tatar and Nyquist would have been on the team all year and Andersson never gets called up. Since a bottom 6 player was hurt and it was a PKer they called up Andersson and kept him up instead of Tatar/Nyquist. Also because he's a center.

They are going to call up someone different if a bottom 6 guy goes down as opposed to if a top 6 goes down.

I think Jensen and Marchenko are the best 2 options of those D to get some 3rd pairing and PP time. Don't think Ouellet or Sproul are ready. Don't think Almqvist is ever going to cut it at the next level. Just my opinion though.
Andersson, Tatar and Nyquist all played in the bottom six while they bumped someone else up the lineup, that was kind off my point. If I recall Nyquist got the first call and didn't take it, Tatar got the second call and took it but faded after a while, Andersson got the third call and took it to the point where he won a permanent center spot. Sheahan got the fourth call. The call up order was in line with their internal ranking down in GR.

Anyway, looking at this season Jarnkrok/Sheahan/Ferraro are all equal in age, they (can) all play center, and they are all accustomed to both PK and PP. I have a hard time seeing anything but level of play down there determine who gets the nod. Jurco is the dark horse, I'm thinking he could be the best of the bunch as soon as next season.

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Only people who want to see the Wings make a serious mistake.

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Take out Mrazek, I don't want to give up our one "good" goalie prospect.

Replace with something else, I don't know what else but goalie looks horrendously weak without Mrazek in our pipeline.
Yeah let's give them McCollum instead. He was a former first round pick, clearly better value for Pitt.


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Andersson, Tatar and Nyquist all played in the bottom six while they bumped someone else up the lineup, that was kind off my point. If I recall Nyquist got the first call and didn't take it, Tatar got the second call and took it but faded after a while, Andersson got the third call and took it to the point where he won a permanent center spot. Sheahan got the fourth call. The call up order was in line with their internal ranking down in GR.

Anyway, looking at this season Jarnkrok/Sheahan/Ferraro are all equal in age, they (can) all play center, and they are all accustomed to both PK and PP. I have a hard time seeing anything but level of play down there determine who gets the nod. Jurco is the dark horse, I'm thinking he could be the best of the bunch as soon as next season.
You made a really good point. I guess it probably mattered more that Andersson was a center than anything else.

The good thing about Jarnkrok, Sheahan, Ferraro is that all 3 could provide a pretty specific spark in the bottom 6 or top 6 if called up. Jarnkrok is a righty who could provide some offensive spark, and could man the point on a PP unit. Sheahan brings size and some speed, PK ability, defensive smarts. Ferraro brings good speed, a good wrist shot, and really good PK ability. Jurco might be the farthest away in terms of readiness, but he might end up better than all those guys IMO.

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I really feel like mitch callahan will get an extended look also, guys been clutch in these playoffs. I know its a long shot/ borderline impossible for him to make the team next year but i wouldn't be surprised if he makes our 4th line in 2 years. We could use his grit and heart on our 4th line.

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miller/cleary one will be gone
bert/sammy one will be gone
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I'd love to see him replace Tootoo ASAP!
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I'd love to see him replace Tootoo ASAP!
I disagree, I think Tootoo will be a much bigger asset in the more physical eastern Confrence!

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Tatar has the most pure puck skill of the group of Tatar, Nyquist and Anderson. Nyquist is the best skater (god, that kid can just fly) and Anderson is the most complete 2-way player.

When all is said and done I think Tatar gets a year on an energy line - hopefully with Helm and Anderson on the 3rd line allowing Nyquist to play top 6 minutes, but I fully expect Tatar to get a real shot at being a top 6 forward.

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Tatar has the most pure puck skill of the group of Tatar, Nyquist and Anderson. Nyquist is the best skater (god, that kid can just fly) and Anderson is the most complete 2-way player.

When all is said and done I think Tatar gets a year on an energy line - hopefully with Helm and Anderson on the 3rd line allowing Nyquist to play top 6 minutes, but I fully expect Tatar to get a real shot at being a top 6 forward.
He is the better shooter, Tatar doesn't have more puck skills or hockey IQ than Nyquist. I think both guys wind up as top 6 players, the good news is Tatar developed the other parts of his game so that he is no longer a top 6 or bust guy, he still was just that last January (2012).

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