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06-05-2013, 02:55 AM
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I'm ok with it, 1 mil is a bit more than i'd like, but I love what Bordy brings. An enforcer/energy guy that makes huge clean hits, doesn't take dumb penalties, and can keep the play in the O zone. I don't understand why people think he's a huge goon.

He won't bring a lot of points, but he's an enforcer who brings energy and isn't an offensive plague.
I can say one thing, hes less of an offensive black hole than Mitchell is...

Bordy actually makes simple plays or is able to put the puck in places that his line-mates can get to it. If he keeps his game simple and plays tough in front of the net, I think we may actually see some more points come his way like at the end of last season.

How often did the puck really go from his stick to the opposition?

Mitchell really irritated me towards the end of the season when playing with Duchene. The puck goes from his stick off the side of the net or off the goalie and the play goes back the other way. Over and over and over again.

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06-05-2013, 04:54 AM
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I can say one thing, hes less of an offensive black hole than Mitchell is...

Bordy actually makes simple plays or is able to put the puck in places that his line-mates can get to it. If he keeps his game simple and plays tough in front of the net, I think we may actually see some more points come his way like at the end of last season.

How often did the puck really go from his stick to the opposition?

Mitchell really irritated me towards the end of the season when playing with Duchene. The puck goes from his stick off the side of the net or off the goalie and the play goes back the other way. Over and over and over again.
i disagree, sure he might have a hockey iq of a donkey, but this guy was on fire at the beginning of the season and he did finish fifth on this team in scoring. you need get that from a checking line player heck look at our bottom 6 nobody contributed much at all, hejduk a tich? jones, ehhh let's not talk about him, pajamas?

the problem with mitchell is he was put in situations where he can't keep up to guys like staz or duchene and can't feed off them , throw him back on forth line as a center and he'll put up near as many points as any 4 center around the league, we need to keep him off the powerplay but like hendricks you need a guy who's going to go out there and bust for you and be able to contribute

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06-05-2013, 05:07 AM
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I really like Bordy, but I think players like him should be a kept on a short leash, 2 year deal max. And if he wants 3 years, you should manage to squeeze down the money quite much.

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06-05-2013, 05:29 AM
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I'm ok with it, 1 mil is a bit more than i'd like, but I love what Bordy brings. An enforcer/energy guy that makes huge clean hits, doesn't take dumb penalties, and can keep the play in the O zone. I don't understand why people think he's a huge goon.

He won't bring a lot of points, but he's an enforcer who brings energy and isn't an offensive plague.
Yeah I like having a real enforcer that isn't useless. He's a solid energy type player too.

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06-05-2013, 07:07 AM
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As I've said before I'm indifferent about Bordy, and the only reason I somewhat mind this signing is that it takes away a roster spot.

We have 6 1-way contracts on D (SOB, EJ, Baldy, Hejda, Hunwick, Wilson) and already 12 forwards (counting Lando) + 2 goalies.
That's now already 20 players on the roster.
We obviously should include Barrie and probably Elliott as well to the mix, which leads us to only being able to include 1 extra forward on the roster. This is bad, because we needed a top-6 player and a PK specialist. Now getting both is very difficult unless we unload a contract in a trade (Hunwick, SOB or Zanon for pick(s)? Mitchell, Olver for pick(s)?). Also, by picking Mac/Jones/Jonathan we are at full roster (as I expect them all to play here if they are drafted), so there is absolutely no room whatsoever on the team for a FA-signing.

What we have now is:

Downie-Duchene-PAP
McGinn-Staz-Jones (ugh)
Lando-ROR-Olver(/Mac/Drouin)
McLeod-Mitchell-Bordy
Olver (if Mac/Drouin are picked)/FA signing if someone is traded/Random minor league player (Vincour (please sign him after just trading for him)/Malone/Sgarbo)

Barrie-EJ
Hejda-Elliott/(Jones)
Wilson-SOB
Hunwick-Zanon
Elliott (If Jones is picked)

The roster is full, and the only way we are able to land any FAs is by making a trade where we ship more players out than bring in. I sincerely hope the management has a plan for this, as otherwise there might be no room for any improvements for the team.

This is the reason why I wasn't so keen on bringing him back. As we already have Cody, I didn't see the need to bring Bordy back.

I don't mind the 3-year deal, as he is easily tradable for a late pick to a team who needs an enforcer, and it also rewards Bordy for battling through the lesser leagues.

I really hope the management has a plan going forward with the roster that we have and what we should improve. Obviously the Bordy signing is a minor one, so it doesn't rock the boat so badly, but the hope of seeing Malone/Vincour/Sgarbossa up in the NHL is fading fast unless we get injuries which then would suck as well.

EDIT: Mods, I put this here cause it ties in the Bordy signing, but I think the rest of this discussion should continue in the roster moves thread.


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06-05-2013, 07:23 AM
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Seems bit pricey, but I guess you have to pay for one of the best fighters in NHL.

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06-05-2013, 07:25 AM
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I really like Bordy, but I think players like him should be a kept on a short leash, 2 year deal max. And if he wants 3 years, you should manage to squeeze down the money quite much.
I agree with this. 3 years seems kinda a lot for fighter. Who knows what happens to these guys in 3 years time. 2 years max. would have been perfect, but I guess he really wanted 3 years deal.

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06-05-2013, 07:41 AM
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I agree with this. 3 years seems kinda a lot for fighter. Who knows what happens to these guys in 3 years time. 2 years max. would have been perfect, but I guess he really wanted 3 years deal.
Flyers really regretted giving Shelley a contract exactly like this for example. He is 10 years older, but still.

And please everybody, don't do the old "How can you compare him with him" routine.

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06-05-2013, 07:50 AM
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Flyers really regretted giving Shelley a contract exactly like this for example. He is 10 years older, but still.

And please everybody, don't do the old "How can you compare him with him" routine.
Shelley couldn't play hockey, Bordeleau can. The Avs wouldn't have given him this contract, assuming they did, if he wasn't capable of playing fourth line hockey.

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06-05-2013, 07:54 AM
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06-05-2013, 08:45 AM
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I like his actual hockey play. I loved Bordy blowing up Nikita and then kicking dudes butt that came to defend him. I don't mind the contract the amount or the years.

My problem is the 6 fights in 46 games and there was some times when liberties were being taken against our guys and we had Jan Hejda answer the bell, twice.

Bordy needs to start some fights instead of just end them.


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06-05-2013, 08:47 AM
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Jared Boll 2 years 1.05m per
Colton Orr 4 years 1.0m per
Shawn Thornton 2 years 1.1m per

This deal is around his peers.

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We obviously should include Barrie and probably Elliott as well to the mix, which leads us to only being able to include 1 extra forward on the roster. This is bad, because we needed a top-6 player and a PK specialist. Now getting both is very difficult unless we unload a contract in a trade (Hunwick, SOB or Zanon for pick(s)? Mitchell, Olver for pick(s)?). Also, by picking Mac/Jones/Jonathan we are at full roster (as I expect them all to play here if they are drafted), so there is absolutely no room whatsoever on the team for a FA-signing.
It's better to go into camp with more guys than roster spots. You don't write your depth chart in June, especially before you've even drafted.

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I like his actual hockey play. I loved Bordy blowing up Nikita and then kicking dudes butt that came to defend him. I don't mind the contract the amount or the years.

My problem is the 6 fights in 46 games and there was some times when liberties were being taken against our guys and we had Jan Hejda answer the bell, twice.

Bordy needs start some fights instead of just end them.
Most enforcers don't really enforce. That's the reason I always wanted Brashear, he actually did something to guys, and didn't give a ******* if it was or wasn't legal.

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It's better to go into camp with more guys than roster spots. You don't write your depth chart in June, especially before you've even drafted.
Of course, but when 20 or so are on 1-way contracts, there seems to be awfully low amounts of space left.
Of course Sherman's been "demoted" and PL is not around, so the possibility that we hide a 1-way contract in the AHL (as much as we can, 900k right?) is higher.
But if we haven't traded anyone away after the draft/ a day before FA there might very little activity between the FA markets and the Avs.

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A $1 million cap hit for a guy that plays six minutes a night? Atrocious. Horrid start for Sakic.

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Maybe we should wait until this is actually confirmed news.

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Of course, but when 20 or so are on 1-way contracts, there seems to be awfully low amounts of space left.
Of course Sherman's been "demoted" and PL is not around, so the possibility that we hide a 1-way contract in the AHL (as much as we can, 900k right?) is higher.
But if we haven't traded anyone away after the draft/ a day before FA there might very little activity between the FA markets and the Avs.
First, you shouldn't expect a bunch of free agent signings... 1 or 2 is likely though. Second, there will be trades/buyouts.

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Just because he'll be making 1 mil a year doesn't mean he's going to be playing every single game. He'll be put into the lineup when the other teams have enforcers in their lineups or when an injury occurs.

And people are seriously complaining about paying the guy 1 mil, out of a 60 mil cap? That's peanuts. The cap will most likely be going up in the coming years anyways.

Great cap hit, great term. Love it.

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Just because he'll be making 1 mil a year doesn't mean he's going to be playing every single game. He'll be put into the lineup when the other teams have enforcers in their lineups or when an injury occurs.

And people are seriously complaining about paying the guy 1 mil, out of a 60 mil cap? That's peanuts. The cap will most likely be going up in the coming years anyways.

Great cap hit, great term. Love it.
In perfect world It would be 2 years for 2 million, but yeah this is good deal.

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First, you shouldn't expect a bunch of free agent signings... 1 or 2 is likely though. Second, there will be trades/buyouts.
We wish. We have too many defensemen. We need to give chance for Barrie/Elliott to prove themselves.

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A $1 million cap hit for a guy that plays six minutes a night? Atrocious. Horrid start for Sakic.
1M is nothing. He was set to be a UFA and would have gotten that as a UFA. It's the 3 years that bug me.

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He's 27 years old and entering what should be his prime as an NHL heavyweight. His skating has continued to improve and he is not as much of a liability out there as other pure goons. He can play. He'll be 30 years old when this deal expires. I don't see much of a regression in his game coming up.

Furthermore, despite what any of us may think, the most important thing is that the coach is getting what he wants and who he wants. If Patrick is going to sink or swim, it should be with the roster he wants to work with. If he considers Bords to be a guy to fit that role for the next 3 years, then so be it. With Patrick putting his neck out there by being the only NHL head coach without a guaranteed contract(no payout if fired), the least we can do is give him the guys/tools/assets he needs or deems necessary to succeed.

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We wish. We have too many defensemen. We need to give chance for Barrie/Elliott to prove themselves.
I actually expect that SOB will be sent packing in one way or another (a buyout candidate because of his attitude more than anything else), but that is only one spot. Zanon could be tradeable because he only has next year on his contract. Wilson has actual value (don't want to trade him if it can be avoided).

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