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06-06-2013, 10:03 PM
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We always come back to these trades; the Zubov and Norstrom trades were awful and the beginning of the end.

If those two deals, the Draft Day 99 deals, and what happend to Kloucek and Cherneski never go down, that team in the early 2000s would have been fine.

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The Rangers "traded" the 5th overall pick in the 1988 draft for Michel Bergeron to coach. The Nords took that scrub Dore (a current scout, of course), but Roenick, Selanne and Brindamour were all 8-10.

The Cyr trade was a waste. Donnelly became a very solid 3rd liner and even had a great 1993 postseason run with the Kings. The 5th rounder Buff received from the rangers turned into Mogilny.

Dave Gagner and Jay Caufield for Jari Gronstrand and Paul Boutilier. Gagner had 6 straight 30 goals seasons and was an all-star for the North Stars. Just a stupid trade.

The Joey Kocur for Kevin Miller trade was also a waste and derailed the 1991 season. The rangers were on the verge of a division title when they traded Miller. Kocure was useless, and they slumped the rest of the season.

Rob Zamuner and Ray Sheppard werent traded -- but one of the best PKers in the NHl and one of the game's best snipers were let go by Smith for nothing.

The Reijo trade was just a waste. Another Espo winner. The guy was never the same after he left.

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06-07-2013, 07:33 AM
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The Rangers "traded" the 5th overall pick in the 1988 draft for Michel Bergeron to coach. The Nords took that scrub Dore (a current scout, of course), but Roenick, Selanne and Brindamour were all 8-10.

The Cyr trade was a waste. Donnelly became a very solid 3rd liner and even had a great 1993 postseason run with the Kings. The 5th rounder Buff received from the rangers turned into Mogilny.

Dave Gagner and Jay Caufield for Jari Gronstrand and Paul Boutilier. Gagner had 6 straight 30 goals seasons and was an all-star for the North Stars. Just a stupid trade.

The Joey Kocur for Kevin Miller trade was also a waste and derailed the 1991 season. The rangers were on the verge of a division title when they traded Miller. Kocure was useless, and they slumped the rest of the season.

Rob Zamuner and Ray Sheppard werent traded -- but one of the best PKers in the NHl and one of the game's best snipers were let go by Smith for nothing.

The Reijo trade was just a waste. Another Espo winner. The guy was never the same after he left.
The Zamuner thing was dumb. They just allowed him to walk. Remember him in Binghamton as well. Young--good size--scored a lot--defensively responsible. It would be about the equivalent of letting JT Miller walk away. Stupid.

Sheppard left as an unrestricted free agent. The same would happen later with Verbeek--basically one (and done) year and that was that. Sometimes a player just decides he wants to be somewhere else--whether it's the money involved or whatever.

Kevin Miller wasn't anything ****ing special. His brother Kelly was a much better player. Kocur was maybe the most feared fighter in the league and he could take a regular shift--also part of the Stanley Cup '94 team--whatever we may have lost in 3rd line offense (not that much) we more than made up with the intimidation factor. People were afraid of Kocur. A handful of his fights ended careers.

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That swap of 1st roundeers with Atlanta with them getting Bourette while giving up Marc Staal is just not good for that organization. One of the nails in the coughin for sure...

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In terms of stats, its pretty funny that two of the worst moves we made was trading away Mikael Samuelsson and Mike Knuble...

I would have like to see the reaction if someone at the time stood up and said, in 10+ years, we will look back and (should) regret this moment...

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HFBoards would blow up if we traded Roman Oksiuta for Kevin Lowe today.

6'4 230lbs Russian sniper/PF stolen in the 10th round before the wall fell.

Those Russians had horrible conditioned... Litterary no sticks to play with. A country falling apart with great day to day uncertainty. I remember playing a Russian team in the mid-90's, they didn't use slap shots because they where so afraid to break their sticks.

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06-07-2013, 09:35 AM
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The Rangers "traded" the 5th overall pick in the 1988 draft for Michel Bergeron to coach. The Nords took that scrub Dore (a current scout, of course), but Roenick, Selanne and Brindamour were all 8-10.

The Cyr trade was a waste. Donnelly became a very solid 3rd liner and even had a great 1993 postseason run with the Kings. The 5th rounder Buff received from the rangers turned into Mogilny.

Dave Gagner and Jay Caufield for Jari Gronstrand and Paul Boutilier. Gagner had 6 straight 30 goals seasons and was an all-star for the North Stars. Just a stupid trade.

The Joey Kocur for Kevin Miller trade was also a waste and derailed the 1991 season. The rangers were on the verge of a division title when they traded Miller. Kocure was useless, and they slumped the rest of the season.

Rob Zamuner and Ray Sheppard werent traded -- but one of the best PKers in the NHl and one of the game's best snipers were let go by Smith for nothing.

The Reijo trade was just a waste. Another Espo winner. The guy was never the same after he left.
Espo didn't know what he was doing, made a lot of bad impulsive decissions. He hated Reijo when he was a commentator. The Ridley deal was a disaster. Trading Tinordi. Trading Norm Maciver. He traded draft picks like they were candy bars.

Gagner was never going to work in this organization. It just happens.

Aaron Miller for Cirella was a bad deal by Smith.

The Kocur thing was interesting. Kissio has a Charlie Horse and could barely skate so they essentially had no lines of offense after Miller was traded. Ogrodnick confirmed that on a Blueshirt Underground interview he did. That trade unintentially derailed the season.

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06-07-2013, 09:51 AM
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Espo didn't know what he was doing, made a lot of bad impulsive decissions. He hated Reijo when he was a commentator. The Ridley deal was a disaster. Trading Tinordi. Trading Norm Maciver. He traded draft picks like they were candy bars.

Gagner was never going to work in this organization. It just happens.

Aaron Miller for Cirella was a bad deal by Smith.

The Kocur thing was interesting. Kissio has a Charlie Horse and could barely skate so they essentially had no lines of offense after Miller was traded. Ogrodnick confirmed that on a Blueshirt Underground interview he did. That trade unintentially derailed the season.
So, although it's unrealistic to think things would necessarily break assume that had these guys not been dealt when they were, it could have come later but, the Rangers could have had a defense in the mid-late 90s that featured Leetch, Beuk, Zubov, Norstrom and Aaron Miller??? Hot damn.

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So, although it's unrealistic to think things would necessarily break assume that had these guys not been dealt when they were, it could have come later but, the Rangers could have had a defense in the mid-late 90s that featured Leetch, Beuk, Zubov, Norstrom and Aaron Miller??? Hot damn.
Definitely. And Cairns as an extra.

Then eventually with Beuk retiring after he had the concussion issues from Matt Johnson, the D could have been something like;

Leetch/Zubov/Norstrom/Karpotsev (or Schneider)/Aaron Miiler/Kloucek/Kim Johnson.

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Definitely. And Cairns as an extra.

Then eventually with Beuk retiring after he had the concussion issues from Matt Johnson, the D could have been something like;

Leetch/Zubov/Norstrom/Karpotsev (or Schneider)/Aaron Miiler/Kloucek/Kim Johnson.
That is so depressing. What coulda/shoulda been.

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06-07-2013, 01:04 PM
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That is so depressing. What coulda/shoulda been.
The THRILL of victory !

The AGONY of defeat !

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In terms of stats, its pretty funny that two of the worst moves we made was trading away Mikael Samuelsson and Mike Knuble...

I would have like to see the reaction if someone at the time stood up and said, in 10+ years, we will look back and (should) regret this moment...
I was one of those people for the Knuble trade. Loved Knuble when he was with the Wings, and was thrilled that the Rangers picked him up. Thought trading him, a guy just past his mid-20s and one season removed from the best of his young career, was a dumb move for a guy over 30 who was a pos. DiMaio? Really? Was not happy when I heard that news.

Samuelsson trade I remember not really having strong feelings about. On the one hand it was interesting to see Kovalev come back. But on the other, I think, if anything I was more upset about getting rid of what, at the time, I saw as a decent prospect in Fata and a longshot in Lintner than Samuelsson. Obviously ended up being a bit off there... interesting to see how things turn out.

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I was one of those people for the Knuble trade. Loved Knuble when he was with the Wings, and was thrilled that the Rangers picked him up. Thought trading him, a guy just past his mid-20s and one season removed from the best of his young career, was a dumb move for a guy over 30 who was a pos. DiMaio? Really? Was not happy when I heard that news.

Samuelsson trade I remember not really having strong feelings about. On the one hand it was interesting to see Kovalev come back. But on the other, I think, if anything I was more upset about getting rid of what, at the time, I saw as a decent prospect in Fata and a longshot in Lintner than Samuelsson. Obviously ended up being a bit off there... interesting to see how things turn out.
Samuelson had a good first year with the Rangers but struggled in his second. His upside as Sam and JD discussed was of Jan Erixon with better hands.

The new NHL helped him a lot.

One trade that bothered me was Balej for Fedor Federov. I liked Balej a lot and had he not had that freak injury...who knows.

Rumors were he was unhappy with the amount of vets on the 2005-06 roster (which was half and half in all fairness) and was shipped out after.

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A lot of fans were excited about Balej when the Rangers shipped Kovalev up to Montreal. He could razzle-dazzle but had a 2c brain and dubious work ethic. Better suited for the large ice in Switzerland. Chalk that up to another poor return in the 2004 fire sale.

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A lot of fans were excited about Balej when the Rangers shipped Kovalev up to Montreal. He could razzle-dazzle but had a 2c brain and dubious work ethic. Better suited for the large ice in Switzerland. Chalk that up to another poor return in the 2004 fire sale.
Yeah, totally agree.

Dubious work ethic was something I had heard. Remember years later when we started bringing in the character players, I'm thinking it was because of this type player we went in that direction.

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The Joey Kocur for Kevin Miller trade was also a waste and derailed the 1991 season. The rangers were on the verge of a division title when they traded Miller. Kocure was useless, and they slumped the rest of the season.
Bringing in Kocur was a HUGE addition in the long run. As someone already said, Kevin Miller was nothing special and nothing like his brother Kelly.

Kocur was an absolutely lethal fighter...has was vicious and had a mean streak that threw fear into other fighters. Terrific asset and tremendously effective for what he was.

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A lot of fans were excited about Balej when the Rangers shipped Kovalev up to Montreal. He could razzle-dazzle but had a 2c brain and dubious work ethic. Better suited for the large ice in Switzerland. Chalk that up to another poor return in the 2004 fire sale.
Wasn't it rumored that Sather had a choice between Plekanec and Balej?

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Wasn't it rumored that Sather had a choice between Plekanec and Balej?

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Didn't the Rangers trade the pick that was Joe Sakic for Michel Bergeron, a coach?

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Didn't the Rangers trade the pick that was Joe Sakic for Michel Bergeron, a coach?
I mentioned it earlier, it was the Caps pick in the Dale Hunter trade. The Rangers 1st for Bergie, Quebec took Dan Dore. Roenick and Selanne were just a few picks later.

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I mentioned it earlier, it was the Caps pick in the Dale Hunter trade. The Rangers 1st for Bergie, Quebec took Dan Dore. Roenick and Selanne were just a few picks later.
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At least the Rangers picked up Amonte in that draft I believe. 4th round.

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Kevin Miller wasn't anything ****ing special. His brother Kelly was a much better player. Kocur was maybe the most feared fighter in the league and he could take a regular shift--also part of the Stanley Cup '94 team--whatever we may have lost in 3rd line offense (not that much) we more than made up with the intimidation factor. People were afraid of Kocur. A handful of his fights ended careers.
Miller was a top-6 forward and one of the best players for the Rangers down the 90-91 stretch. They had a 10-point lead on the Penguins the day of the trade, a Wales-best +47. They had no need for Kocur. They had King, Domi, Janssens and Mallette. Smith had a love affair with Kocur because he drafted him in Detroit.

After the Kocur trade, the Rangers went 2-9-1, we outscored 53-28, and lost the division to the Pens. If you count the Caps series, they were 4-13-1 after trading Miller

Kocur couldnt stay healthy, couldnt score, and played 8 mins agame. Who fought all the heavyweights? Domi did. This isnt even debatable.


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Bringing in Kocur was a HUGE addition in the long run. As someone already said, Kevin Miller was nothing special and nothing like his brother Kelly.

Kocur was an absolutely lethal fighter...has was vicious and had a mean streak that threw fear into other fighters. Terrific asset and tremendously effective for what he was.
Easy with the hyperbole. Kocur was easily one of the most useless forwards the rangers had over his tenure. He was hurt ALL the time. He was ineffective minus a few games in the 1992 Devils series.

He was just a terrible player as a Ranger. Good guy, good teammate, but he had zero bearing on the 1992 and 1994 President's teams.

Kocur's halcyon days were in Detroit. He stunk as a Ranger.

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We traded for Umberger's rights but he didn't want to sign with us.

I can't remember if we traded his rights for anything before the negotiating period ended.
It was rucinsky to van, nyr got a 2nd I think instead of signing umberger who is overpaid now btw

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