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07-17-2013, 02:17 AM
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Wouldn't say horrendous, just nothing to write home about. However, i don't see it as being so weak that it would be a detriment to our playoff hopes. Like Paul said, hopefully we can bolster it at some point.

Sbisa improving would help so much, would take some of the burden off of Fowler when it comes to skating and moving the puck. Sami V could definitely help there as well. But I see Souray regressing and probably Beauch a little too. Allen appeared to get better as the season progressed though.

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07-17-2013, 02:32 AM
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Lovejoy most certainly isn't being penciled into a top 4 role. I think next year we need Sbisa to step up, Fowler to continue his progression and Beauchemin not to regress too much. There are far worse groups out there but we're not going to win a cup with the current D in place.

Best case scenario - we perform well enough to be buyers at the deadline and get a legit shut down guy for our playoff run.
According to DVM's report, BM thinks the Rev has not yet fully developed. That's pretty close to saying he thinks the Rev can be a top 4. And that does worry me.

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According to DVM's report, BM thinks the Rev has not yet fully developed. That's pretty close to saying he thinks the Rev can be a top 4. And that does worry me.
Yeah but him coming at a low price tag hopefully means that they don't try to force him into a role he's not up for. Then again Boudreau was obsessed with Jeff Schultz and insisted on overplaying him based on the one good year he had with Green. Lovejoy's a very toolsy player which is why I guess they see potential but I don't see him having the brain to be able to put it together for any extended length of time. I'd much rather throw Sbisa in there and hope he fixes some of his issues.

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Well, I like Lovejoy for what he is, I just don't want to see him in a position to fail. And I'm one of the very few around here who still thinks Sbisa can quite possibly improve his game. Unlike some people I won't make ridiculous guarantees but I think it is very possible Sbisa can become a very solid top 4 guy as soon as next year. That would be a huge plus for us if he can do so.

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Yeah agreed it would be a huge plus. Sbisa has a great toolset but he really needs to play within himself. He has shown glimpses of greatness, hopefully the extra year of experience will help his consistency.

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Basically Ryan >>>>> Penner
Selanne >>>>>> "Silf"
Basically this tean is worse skilled and just as soft as Maroon doesnt have a spot
Cogs should be traded for some overpriced dman with upside as Etem is essentially a similar version with possibility of being better


Belesky Getz Perry
Etem Bonino Palmeiri
Silf Koivu Winnik
Penner/Staubitz Holland Maroon/Staubitz

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07-17-2013, 07:51 AM
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Basically Ryan >>>>> Penner
Selanne >>>>>> "Silf"
Basically this tean is worse skilled and just as soft as Maroon doesnt have a spot
Cogs should be traded for some overpriced dman with upside as Etem is essentially a similar version with possibility of being better


Belesky Getz Perry
Etem Bonino Palmeiri
Silf Koivu Winnik
Penner/Staubitz Holland Maroon/Staubitz
It doesn't bother you to break up a third line that was at times our best?

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07-17-2013, 09:28 AM
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Is that right? Or could it be that there aren't many deviations out there for these pairings?

Beauchemin-Souray
Fowler-Lovejoy
Sbisa-Allen?

Seems pretty set in stone to me.

I really don't get why our defense is SO terrible. We were 11th in the league last year in GAA. It's not like our goaltending was always superb either. Are we still this spoiled from the Niedermayer-Pronger-Beauchemin days?
This was widely regarded as an anomaly. Starting with beauchemins near-norris season...... Also, souray got worse and worse as the season went on and into the playoffs. Having him playing over 20 minutes is an absolute disaster.

Vatenen will be in the lineup (likely w/ allen on pairing 3). I don't believe we'll see souray up there.

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Uh huh.

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It doesn't bother you to break up a third line that was at times our best?
It got worse as the season went on and Cogs and Etem are very similar good time to tell high on his contract as well

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It got worse as the season went on and Cogs and Etem are very similar good time to tell high on his contract as well
I had to read this part four times and I've come to the conclusion that it's just not English. A period is your friend.

But that line was solid all year. Their offense dried up a little towards the end but it was still a very good line. Okay Cogs and Etem are similar. They both are really fast, play solid defense and can score. Why in the hell wouldn't you want two players like that? Getzlaf and Perry are basically the same player, why not get rid of one of them?

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Whenever I go to make a lineup after the Penner trade, I keep thinking I finally have it set, only to realize that I've forgotten a winger. This leads me to the conclusion that we have too many and should package one for a center or dman.

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I had to read this part four times and I've come to the conclusion that it's just not English. A period is your friend.

But that line was solid all year. Their offense dried up a little towards the end but it was still a very good line. Okay Cogs and Etem are similar. They both are really fast, play solid defense and can score. Why in the hell wouldn't you want two players like that? Getzlaf and Perry are basically the same player, why not get rid of one of them?
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Our size/toughness weakness wont be addressed if both Maroon and Beleskey are not in the lineup simultaneously. Etem on the 4th line is a waste unless Silf bombs which is highly likely as well

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Our size/toughness weakness wont be addressed if both Maroon and Beleskey are not in the lineup simultaneously. Etem on the 4th line is a waste unless Silf bombs which is highly likely as well
Getzlaf and Perry played te 4th line their rookie year. I think you will see Etem on the 4th line and playing PK minutes with Cogliano. The good news is if someone gets hurt or if he really does well, you can always bump him up.

He is not ahead of the current top 6 right now. He could possibly move to the third line, but I dont think that makes that line better if he replaces either Congs or winnick.

I actually like a 4th line with Beleskey, Holland and Etem. size and tallent, just no goons.

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Our size/toughness weakness wont be addressed if both Maroon and Beleskey are not in the lineup simultaneously. Etem on the 4th line is a waste unless Silf bombs which is highly likely as well
Wait, it's highly likely that Silf bombs? How does that work again?

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Our size/toughness weakness wont be addressed if both Maroon and Beleskey are not in the lineup simultaneously. Etem on the 4th line is a waste unless Silf bombs which is highly likely as well
I actually think Silf has a chance to get to 25 goals. He had 10 last year in his rookie shortened year.

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i think silv is gonna have a sophomore slump

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I would ban bet anyone that he scores less than 20 goals

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Whenever I go to make a lineup after the Penner trade, I keep thinking I finally have it set, only to realize that I've forgotten a winger. This leads me to the conclusion that we have too many and should package one for a center or dman.
Send Etem down to the AHL. Problem solved.....

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Send Etem down to the AHL. Problem solved.....
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Penner - Getzlaf - Perry
Silfverberg - Bonino - Palmieri
Winnik - Koivu - Cogliano
Beleskey - Rakell - Etem

WITH SELANNE:

Penner - Getzlaf - Perry
Silfverberg - Bonino - Selanne
Winnik - Koivu - Cogliano
Etem - Rakell - Palmieri

DEFENSE:

Beauchemin - Souray
Fowler - Sbisa
Allen - Vatanen

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I'd actually be content with the D if we signed Lydman and traded Allen. I realize this isn't likely.

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Penner - Getzlaf - Perry
Silfverberg - Bonino - Palmieri
Winnik - Koivu - Cogliano
Beleskey - Rakell - Etem

WITH SELANNE:

Penner - Getzlaf - Perry
Silfverberg - Bonino - Selanne
Winnik - Koivu - Cogliano
Etem - Rakell - Palmieri

DEFENSE:

Beauchemin - Souray
Fowler - Sbisa
Allen - Vatanen
You're picking Rakell over Holland? I still think Rakell could use some more time in the AHL to develop his body for the NHL. I agree with this setup. Just switching Penner for Sifverberg and Holland for Rakell.

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I can't decide if we should have 1st and 2nd line of

Pers
Getz
Silf

Palms
Bones
Pens

or

Pers
Getz
Pens

Palms
Bones
Silf

I'm stuck

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I can't decide if we should have 1st and 2nd line of

Pers
Getz
Silf

Palms
Bones
Pens

or

Pers
Getz
Pens

Palms
Bones
Silf

I'm stuck
A/B test. I'm sure we'll see both options.

Silfverberg - Getzlaf - Perry
Penner - Bonino - Palmieri
Winnik - Koivu - Cogliano
Beleskey - Rakell - Etem

Not bad. But I have a feeling Selanne is returning.

Silfverberg - Getzlaf - Perry
Penner - Bonino - Palmieri
Etem - Koivu - Selanne
Winnik - Rakell - Cogliano

1A. 2A. 3A/3B.

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