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06-05-2013, 04:10 PM
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Sens' 17th overall pick

Bryan Murray is not one to trade his own first rounder, with the exception of the Rundblad trade, who was drafted the year before with a similar position pick.

What would your team give up for this pick? Our needs are a solid young 2-way top 4 Dman, and I'd say even more than that, a young top line winger, or at least a prospect with a good chance to become one.

Pieces can be added to even out value as needed, within reason. No salary dumps/bad contracts, expiring contracts, or guys over about 27 years old please.

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06-05-2013, 04:12 PM
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Habs Offer:

Pick # 36, 86 + Raphael Diaz.

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06-05-2013, 04:17 PM
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Habs Offer:

Pick # 36, 86 + Raphael Diaz.
No interest in Player 61, we don't want him feeding suicide passes to our players.

And you think a late 3rd rounder and a player that is useless for us (and is he even signed?) upgrades you 19 spots in this deep draft? LOL

Also, what part of our needs does that address? No top line/top line potential winger there, and as mentioned do not want Player 61. Plus, we have gobs of prospects, we need quality, not quantity.

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Diaz was a PP machine this year. You asked for a top 4 D as well. He can be a solid #4.

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Diaz was a PP machine this year. You asked for a top 4 D as well. He can be a solid #4.
If we resign Gonchar, he is behind Karlsson, Cowen, Methot, and Gonchar at least, and I would even put Wiercioch and even Gryba ahead of him. We want guys that can play regular minutes, not just be a specialist.

And as mentioned, we don't want him taking out his own teammates on our team with passes that lead guys into bonecrushing hits.

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Daley is a solid 2nd pair guy, 29 but a reasonable cap hit through 2016-7. Any interest?

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Haha ok ok, point taken. How about:

Sebastian Collberg, + Pick 36

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Haha ok ok, point taken. How about:

Sebastian Collberg, + Pick 36
No its not even close.

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^Collberg is going nowhere. He was Timmins favorite pick in the last draft (or at least the pick he was the most excited about during the post draft interviews)

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Would Braydon Coburn interest you at all? I know he's over the age you wanted, but he's only 28. Big body, smooth skater, can log big minutes, top 4 defenseman for sure, but limited offensive production.


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Would Brayden Colborn interest you at all? I know he's over the age you wanted, but he's only 28. Big body, smooth skater, can log big minutes, top 4 defenseman for sure, but limited offensive production.
I don't believe Philly would look to move him for a pick cause that would mean their rebuilding which I don't think their owner has any interest in but the value is their. Philly might actually be able to get an even better offer considering how many teams with lots of picks/prospects are looking for 20+ quality minute munching Dmen.

Giordano and Bieksa are two other players I could see moving.

Ottawa has a lot of cap space and if their willing to take a risk on a player with a bloated salary someone like Ballard, Liles, Kuba could all make sense (and they'd have to give up little to nothing in return).

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Would Brayden Colborn interest you at all? I know he's over the age you wanted, but he's only 28. Big body, smooth skater, can log big minutes, top 4 defenseman for sure, but limited offensive production.
Yes please.

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I don't believe Philly would look to move him for a pick cause that would mean their rebuilding which I don't think their owner has any interest in but the value is their. Philly might actually be able to get an even better offer considering how many teams with lots of picks/prospects are looking for 20+ quality minute munching Dmen.

Giordano and Bieksa are two other players I could see moving.

Ottawa has a lot of cap space and if their willing to take a risk on a player with a bloated salary someone like Ballard, Liles, Kuba could all make sense (and they'd have to give up little to nothing in return).
While I agree that trading for him might not be the best choice but Coburn has become fairly redundant with our defensive core with Grossmann and Schenn emerging. That extra pick in the 1st round could help us move our 1st for another player to help us out and give us an extra dimension Coburn couldn't. A PMD.

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Would Braydon Coburn interest you at all? I know he's over the age you wanted, but he's only 28. Big body, smooth skater, can log big minutes, top 4 defenseman for sure, but limited offensive production.
Deal.

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I dont do this deal, but Im really against trading this pick for a defensive d-man.

Really tho, I dont wanna deal this pick at all unless its to trade up or down +.

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I'd think long and hard about Coburn. Probably do that without any regret. Scary though with pretty much everyone saying it's a ridiculously deep draft.

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How bout 17th + 77th + Gryba for 41st + Coburn. Gives Philly a DMan who can handily log 18+ minutes every night and Ottawa turns a guy who is made a little bit more redundant into a top 45 pick.

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What purpose would it be to the Sens to trade the pick for a player?

The Sens are chalk full of NHL talent, so much so that NHL players will be waived and scooped up by needy teams. Why add another and replace it with a middle tier player that will add nothing substantial to the roster?

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Would # 34 & #36 in this year's draft do it??...mebbe + a mid-level prospect??

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Bryan Murray is not one to trade his own first rounder, with the exception of the Rundblad trade, who was drafted the year before with a similar position pick.

What would your team give up for this pick? Our needs are a solid young 2-way top 4 Dman, and I'd say even more than that, a young top line winger, or at least a prospect with a good chance to become one.

Pieces can be added to even out value as needed, within reason. No salary dumps/bad contracts, expiring contracts, or guys over about 27 years old please.
You won't get a top line winger for the 17th pick, sorry but that's just a fact. At 17 you are HOPING that the player you pick develops into a 2nd line forward or 2nd pairing dman. Some exceed those marks, more don't even reach that level but all in all, look at the last 10 drafts of guys taken 15-20 and although they may be decent players, the average is NOT a top line winger.

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Would # 34 & #36 in this year's draft do it??...mebbe + a mid-level prospect??
We had a similar type of deal with DET a few years ago. Personally wouldn't be opposed to it.

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You won't get a top line winger for the 17th pick, sorry but that's just a fact. At 17 you are HOPING that the player you pick develops into a 2nd line forward or 2nd pairing dman. Some exceed those marks, more don't even reach that level but all in all, look at the last 10 drafts of guys taken 15-20 and although they may be decent players, the average is NOT a top line winger.
Fair. If they move the pick, I would hope they package it for a salary dump + solid asset.

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What purpose would it be to the Sens to trade the pick for a player?

The Sens are chalk full of NHL talent, so much so that NHL players will be waived and scooped up by needy teams. Why add another and replace it with a middle tier player that will add nothing substantial to the roster?


Cobourn can solidify the one place on this team where we don't have amazing depth. Defense. I'd rather not have Andre Benoit as a #6 next season.

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Just a thought, would you guys be interested in Bobby Ryan?? You'd have to add to your pick to get him but he might be the exact type of player you are looking to add on offense.

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Would love Bobby Ryan, and maybe I'd be one of the few willing to take 36 + Collberg. Dayum that'd be sick. Then grab someone that drops from the first round like Gauthier, Hartman or Mantha with the 36.

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