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06-07-2013, 07:24 AM
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BUF/CBJ (Draft Day)

Drew Stafford and 38th pick for Rangers pick @ 19.

Jackets and Sabres were rumored to have discussed a Stafford deal before they acquired Gaborik.

Jackets get immediate help and stay in top 40, BUF gets a 3rd 1st round pick for the rebuild (or additional ammunition to move up)

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06-07-2013, 07:55 AM
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I would seriously think about it as a sabres fan, but I'd want to know about CBJ fans oppinions...not sure how they'd feel about it. =/

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This might not be a bad fall back plan for GMJK. He's hinted that he could trade up and he would certainly need this pick to accomplish that. If he can't move up, Stafford might not be too bad and option. My only fear is that Stafford becomes another RJ Umberger and is redundant.

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06-07-2013, 08:19 AM
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I know as Sabres fans, we've decided that draft picks are gold and we want to get rid of all of our players, but we have to be able to field a team next year. With Pominville gone, Vanek likely gone, who plays RW in the top 6 if we do this? Gerbe? No thanks. Plus, we need to reach the cap floor.

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06-07-2013, 08:40 AM
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I know as Sabres fans, we've decided that draft picks are gold and we want to get rid of all of our players, but we have to be able to field a team next year. With Pominville gone, Vanek likely gone, who plays RW in the top 6 if we do this? Gerbe? No thanks. Plus, we need to reach the cap floor.
You really wouldn't do this trade? Are you serious?

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With Jarmo at the helm, im sure they want all the first round picks they can get. Doubt the Jackets do this.

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You really wouldn't do this trade? Are you serious?
I don't see the benefit. Who do you pick there? This is a very deep draft and you have a good chance of getting someone at 38 that will be ready in the same amount of time and nearly as good. You can't just trade everyone under contract.


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06-07-2013, 08:51 AM
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I don't think we'd do this. That draft pick is quite valuable to us as well, especially if someone like Zadorov falls to that pick.

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Depends on who's available at that pick, but I could see it happen

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06-07-2013, 09:35 AM
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i agree with Kev22...its not a bad idea, my main fear is that he mails it in and becomes an overpaid doorstop like RJ Umberger is...but definitely a merit worthy trade idea for me...

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You really wouldn't do this trade? Are you serious?
Frankly, I don't see the point. I know the default presumption amongst most Sabres fans is that Stafford is now the worst hockey player in the history of hockey, and he'll never again score 20 goals, even though he scored 51 in the two seasons preceding this last one--a season in which many players who didn't play during the lockout underperformed.

Good players will still be available at 38. Just looking at Button's list, some of the guys he has with a 2nd round grade: Santini, Lazar, Buchnevich, Bigras, Compher, Zykov, McCoshen, Mueller, Hurley, Duclair, Nastasiuk, Theodore, Hagg, Bailey, Bjorkstrand, de la Rose, Burakowky. Now, some of those guys will go before 38, but it's reasonable to assume that Stafford + 38 >> Who we'd draft at 19.

Also, if we trade Stafford, who do we play at RW now that we've traded him and Pominville? Vanek? Oh, the guy who a majority of the fanbase thinks we're trading because he probably won't re-sign with a rebuilding team. Or are we just going to throw Armia to the wolves, development be damned?

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06-07-2013, 09:49 AM
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Drew Stafford and 38th pick for Rangers pick @ 19.

Jackets and Sabres were rumored to have discussed a Stafford deal before they acquired Gaborik.

Jackets get immediate help and stay in top 40, BUF gets a 3rd 1st round pick for the rebuild (or additional ammunition to move up)
Value might be there, but I wouldn't do that trade. I'd rather have the 19th pick.

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06-07-2013, 10:13 AM
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With Jarmo at the helm, im sure they want all the first round picks they can get. Doubt the Jackets do this.
This. If this was the previous Columbus team with questionable drafting, I'd probably do the deal. But it doesnt make alot of sense to deal against a strength of Jarmo.

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06-07-2013, 10:41 AM
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Frankly, I don't see the point. I know the default presumption amongst most Sabres fans is that Stafford is now the worst hockey player in the history of hockey, and he'll never again score 20 goals, even though he scored 51 in the two seasons preceding this last one--a season in which many players who didn't play during the lockout underperformed.

Good players will still be available at 38. Just looking at Button's list, some of the guys he has with a 2nd round grade: Santini, Lazar, Buchnevich, Bigras, Compher, Zykov, McCoshen, Mueller, Hurley, Duclair, Nastasiuk, Theodore, Hagg, Bailey, Bjorkstrand, de la Rose, Burakowky. Now, some of those guys will go before 38, but it's reasonable to assume that Stafford + 38 >> Who we'd draft at 19.

Also, if we trade Stafford, who do we play at RW now that we've traded him and Pominville? Vanek? Oh, the guy who a majority of the fanbase thinks we're trading because he probably won't re-sign with a rebuilding team. Or are we just going to throw Armia to the wolves, development be damned?
I forgot outside of Vanek Stafford and Pommers there's no other wingers available in the world. Leino, Foligno, Flynn, Gerbe, Ennis, Kaleta... Does it matter? As to who we pick? How about best winger available? Or are you expecting Stafford to still be around post rebuild? Rip the band aid off this season clean house bring in fringe players fighting for their NHL lives and play dump and chase for the season, its not gonna matter in the least. But tbh I think we can get back into the first round without moving anyone. There's so many seconds laying around this dump that someone's gonna break a neck.

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Sabres fan are seriously under-valuing Stafford.

This is an easy no for me.

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06-07-2013, 10:54 AM
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Sabres fan are seriously under-valuing Stafford.

This is an easy no for me.
It's not undervaluing his production. He scores all his goals in chunks then disappears. Even in the 31 goal season 12 were in 4 games. He's a 20 goal scorer that if you are lucky he gets hot in the playoffs if not hes useless. Not a reliable 2 way player and he doesn't PK. To me that doesn't figure into Bufs future and if moving him means we get the player we want instead of what's left then that's more value to me then a guy I'd let walk anyway.

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Sabres fan are seriously under-valuing Stafford.
He is 2 seasons away from being a UFA, you have to factor that into his value

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He is 2 seasons away from being a UFA, you have to factor that into his value
I would consider this a positive.

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This is really not very good for the Jackets....

Its as if the Avs offered Jones + 32 for the 19.

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I forgot outside of Vanek Stafford and Pommers there's no other wingers available in the world. Leino, Foligno, Flynn, Gerbe, Ennis, Kaleta... Does it matter? As to who we pick? How about best winger available? Or are you expecting Stafford to still be around post rebuild? Rip the band aid off this season clean house bring in fringe players fighting for their NHL lives and play dump and chase for the season, its not gonna matter in the least. But tbh I think we can get back into the first round without moving anyone. There's so many seconds laying around this dump that someone's gonna break a neck.
Nah, Cody Hodgson's gonna love playing with Gerbe and Flynn. Woo developing the players we already have!

Unless this deal roundaboutly ends with a top three pick, I don't really care. Stafford should be traded for NHL help.

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Drew Stafford and 38th pick for Rangers pick @ 19.

Jackets and Sabres were rumored to have discussed a Stafford deal before they acquired Gaborik.

Jackets get immediate help and stay in top 40, BUF gets a 3rd 1st round pick for the rebuild (or additional ammunition to move up)
im fine with this...

The other possible trade if columbus doesnt want to move the rangers pick....

Stafford + 3rd for LA pick (27-30)


Id prefer to get an NHL ready player for stafford.

Stafford is a moveable piece for draft picks where they could also offer him to EDM along with #16 for #7.

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im fine with this...

The other possible trade if columbus doesnt want to move the rangers pick....

Stafford + 3rd for LA pick (27-30)
Gotta tell you that's a lot more palatable. And I like Stafford and think he'd be a good add for CBJ.

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im fine with this...

The other possible trade if columbus doesnt want to move the rangers pick....

Stafford + 3rd for LA pick (27-30)
This works better IMO. We don't have a 3rd rounder so it'd be nice to fetch one, and I'm intrigued as to what slides to the 19th pick, and not so worried about what happens between 27 and our second rounder (44).

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im fine with this...

The other possible trade if columbus doesnt want to move the rangers pick....

Stafford + 3rd for LA pick (27-30)


Id prefer to get an NHL ready player for stafford.

Stafford is a moveable piece for draft picks where they could also offer him to EDM along with #16 for #7.
I'd rather just keep Stafford. A 1st that's that late isn't worth it.

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Nah, Cody Hodgson's gonna love playing with Gerbe and Flynn. Woo developing the players we already have!

Unless this deal roundaboutly ends with a top three pick, I don't really care. Stafford should be traded for NHL help.
That's counter to the plan for the Sabres to suffer for top picks.


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