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Rask vs Price.

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Price 45 26.47%
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06-08-2013, 01:50 PM
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Rask and it really isn't close. I don't even think Price will ever be a top tier goalie in the NHL, and that horrendous playoff record, when it matters most, doesn't help
Just Like Lunqvist doesn't have a good playoff record? Is he not a good goalie? The goalies arent the only players on a team you know.

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06-08-2013, 01:54 PM
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Dat timing.

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Depends on the year, obviously it's Rask right now. Both will be top 5 or 10 goalies in the NHL every year for many years.

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06-08-2013, 02:09 PM
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If Price had Rasks demeanor in net (I.E. more acrobatic plus more hungry to do anything possible to make a save) he'd be far and away better than Rask.

Since Price hasn't had that in his game except for his best season to date, I'd have to rank Rask as the better goalie currently unless Price rediscovers that fire.
Catch 22, when Price plays badly ppl say he just doesn't care and has no fire, but when he plays well, he is calm cool and collected.

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06-08-2013, 02:12 PM
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When you're arguing something as subjective as poise and ability to get back in position, no one can prove you wrong.

It's weird to me Price's best season as a goalie in his career just barely tops Rasks' worst.
It's kinda though to only look at the stats, Rask has 1 NHL season where he has played more than 40 games, Price has done that 5 times already.

For me flip a coin, last 2 years everyone was saying Price, now it's Rask, look for it to be the same debate for the next 10+ years IMO


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06-08-2013, 02:19 PM
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Rask and it really isn't close. I don't even think Price will ever be a top tier goalie in the NHL, and that horrendous playoff record, when it matters most, doesn't help
Price's playoff numbers have to taken with a gain of salt, he was put into the fire at a young age, 20-21, if you look at Lundqvist, Quicks, and look at Rask playoff before their were 25-26 it wasn't anything special.

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06-08-2013, 02:20 PM
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Rask is far superior.

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06-08-2013, 02:50 PM
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The OP thinks that they both have been hyped from time to times, and have both had their moments. He also thinks that they are very close in terms of value but cant decide it himself. The OP also thinks, that you have a very hard buttpain. Something that cant be handled on medicine. Welp
The OP would be wrong. Also, the term you're looking for is ********. Don't act you didn't have some ulterior motive behind this thread. The mere fact you made it a few HOURS after Rask had an amazing series speaks volumes.

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Rask is far superior.
He's certainly playing that way. Too bad you traded him for Andrew Raycroft.

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06-08-2013, 03:39 PM
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If Price had Rasks demeanor in net (I.E. more acrobatic plus more hungry to do anything possible to make a save) he'd be far and away better than Rask.

Since Price hasn't had that in his game except for his best season to date, I'd have to rank Rask as the better goalie currently unless Price rediscovers that fire.
Price style isn't acrobatic or erratic, it's playing the angles. Neither one is better

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06-08-2013, 03:41 PM
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Price style isn't acrobatic or erratic, it's playing the angles. Neither one is better
Pretty much the same as Rask.

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06-08-2013, 04:46 PM
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why? he is putting his game together,
Carey Price's best year was 2010-2011, when he had a 0.931sv% at even strength.

His second best year was 2007-2008, when he posted a 0.929sv% at even strength.

Both of those are in "elite" territory - guys like Luongo, Lundqvist, and Rinne are at or near that mark very consistently. Jonathan Quick had a 0.933sv% at even strength last year when he won the Vezina.

The problem is that every other year he's been in the NHL, Carey Price has been nothing more than a very average goaltender. In fact, other than those 2 seasons, he's been extremely consistent: In 4 of the last 5 years, his evsv% has been between 0.918 and 0.921.

If Price's game is "coming together", how come his 2 best seasons came 3 years ago and when he was a rookie?

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his lower body strength to push and get back in position, his rebound control, his poise.
The first two are legitimate things a goaltender needs.

Poise? Poise in hockey is a phrase that was invented by people who were looking for imaginary ways to claim one player is better than another. Having more poise doesn't help you react faster to 100mph pucks, it doesn't put you in better position for rebounds or screened shots, and it doesn't stop the puck when you don't.

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They are all elite and better than rask,
I'm not sure how you measure the differences in Rask/Price's lower body strength (have you measured their calves or something?), or their rebound control really. How many odd-man rushes does Montreal give up in an average game? Don't know? Then how do you know Price is better than Rask at rebound control? How often does either goalie allow a rebound on a point shot? I bet you nor anyone on HFBoards has any idea - so how can you definitively state that Price is better at it?

I'm not saying Price ISN'T better at rebound control.. I'm saying that nobody has any way to prove it other than "well I watched the games" and I know stuff about hockey because I watched the games and I know what I know is right because I know it.

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he just has had a tough time playing in a market like montreal with a inconsistent montreal team.
The possibility different markets have different effects on goalies is an interesting one. Do you have any evidence to suggest that might be true, or did a media guy say it and it just sounded true?


I don't claim to know how Rask is better than Price... but I do seriously question people who think Price is better when Rask has been significantly better than Price 3 of the 4 years he's been in the league.

10 years from now I bet this conversation looks pretty stupid; the talent difference between these two goalies is the difference between consistently elite and consistently average, and it is not going to shrink.

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Just Like Lunqvist doesn't have a good playoff record? Is he not a good goalie? The goalies arent the only players on a team you know.
It's almost like the Bruins during Rask's career have been a substantially better team than the Habs during Price's!

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Just Like Lunqvist doesn't have a good playoff record? Is he not a good goalie? The goalies arent the only players on a team you know.
Price's S% drops from .915 to .905 in the playoffs

Lundqvist's stays exactly at .920

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It's almost like the Bruins during Rask's career have been a substantially better team than the Habs during Price's!
The Canadiens pushed the Bruins to a game 7 OT

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Carey Price's best year was 2010-2011, when he had a 0.931sv% at even strength.

His second best year was 2007-2008, when he posted a 0.929sv% at even strength.

Both of those are in "elite" territory - guys like Luongo, Lundqvist, and Rinne are at or near that mark very consistently. Jonathan Quick had a 0.933sv% at even strength last year when he won the Vezina.

The problem is that every other year he's been in the NHL, Carey Price has been nothing more than a very average goaltender. In fact, other than those 2 seasons, he's been extremely consistent: In 4 of the last 5 years, his evsv% has been between 0.918 and 0.921.

If Price's game is "coming together", how come his 2 best seasons came 3 years ago and when he was a rookie?


The first two are legitimate things a goaltender needs.

Poise? Poise in hockey is a phrase that was invented by people who were looking for imaginary ways to claim one player is better than another. Having more poise doesn't help you react faster to 100mph pucks, it doesn't put you in better position for rebounds or screened shots, and it doesn't stop the puck when you don't.


I'm not sure how you measure the differences in Rask/Price's lower body strength (have you measured their calves or something?), or their rebound control really. How many odd-man rushes does Montreal give up in an average game? Don't know? Then how do you know Price is better than Rask at rebound control? How often does either goalie allow a rebound on a point shot? I bet you nor anyone on HFBoards has any idea - so how can you definitively state that Price is better at it?

I'm not saying Price ISN'T better at rebound control.. I'm saying that nobody has any way to prove it other than "well I watched the games" and I know stuff about hockey because I watched the games and I know what I know is right because I know it.


The possibility different markets have different effects on goalies is an interesting one. Do you have any evidence to suggest that might be true, or did a media guy say it and it just sounded true?


I don't claim to know how Rask is better than Price... but I do seriously question people who think Price is better when Rask has been significantly better than Price 3 of the 4 years he's been in the league.

10 years from now I bet this conversation looks pretty stupid; the talent difference between these two goalies is the difference between consistently elite and consistently average, and it is not going to shrink.
Revisionist history?

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06-08-2013, 07:32 PM
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Someone will start that poll all over again when Price plays outstanding and Rask goes through a bit of a slump. Watch...

Timing is everything.

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Someone will start that poll all over again when Price plays outstanding and Rask goes through a bit of a slump. Watch...

Timing is everything.
I don't think that will happen, and if it does, not long enough for someone to make a thread about it

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http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...ght=price+rask
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1084601

What have you done for me lately is all that matters on this board.

EDIT: I realize they're talking about upside and not who's better, but I bet if you asked who has higher upside now Rask would win the poll because hes been better recently.

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Hard to argue against the guy in the SCF. Rask easily for me.

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http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...ght=price+rask
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1084601

What have you done for me lately is all that matters on this board.

EDIT: I realize they're talking about upside and not who's better, but I bet if you asked who has higher upside now Rask would win the poll because hes been better recently.
So earlier on, Price was pretty much confirmed to be better
Later, Price and Rask were a little more even
Now, Rask had solidified being better than Price


I don't think this is "what have you done for me lately"(though it absolutely helps), but more of a realization Rask has always been this good and Price just didn't become what most thought he would.

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Just Like Lunqvist doesn't have a good playoff record? Is he not a good goalie? The goalies arent the only players on a team you know.
Of course if your team is bad your chance to win are smaller. But,to give you an exemple:

To have acces to at least 7 games in the playoff in 2013 the goalies needed a minimum of .917 save %. Not to win the Conn Smythe, only to play 7 games. No goalies with a lesser save % reach 7 games. Price took part in 5 post season run with the habs registering a save % of .901-.878-.890-.934-.894 for a carrer playoff save % of .905. Say what you want but that's not Lundquvist like (.920), it's Fleury territory (.903).

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Lol the timing of this. Rask just came off a terrific 2 shutout series and Price struggled at the end of his season. Rask will win overwhelmingly. Makes me wonder if the OP is seeking validation for his fellow Finn.
That's exactly what it is.

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Lol the timing of this. Rask just came off a terrific 2 shutout series and Price struggled at the end of his season. Rask will win overwhelmingly. Makes me wonder if the OP is seeking validation for his fellow Finn.
Not like Rask absolutely smoked Price during the regular season or anything too...

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The OP would be wrong. Also, the term you're looking for is ********. Don't act you didn't have some ulterior motive behind this thread. The mere fact you made it a few HOURS after Rask had an amazing series speaks volumes.



He's certainly playing that way. Too bad you traded him for Andrew Raycroft.
I traded who now?

Pretty ironic post. You sound fairly "********" yourself.

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So earlier on, Price was pretty much confirmed to be better
Later, Price and Rask were a little more even
Now, Rask had solidified being better than Price


I don't think this is "what have you done for me lately"(though it absolutely helps), but more of a realization Rask has always been this good and Price just didn't become what most thought he would.
I think you're reading the dates wrong.

The poll where it was close was halfway through last season.
The poll where Price overwhelmingly won was during this offseason.

And didn't become what he thought he would? Well he certainly didn't expect him to play injured the last stretch of the season. And if you think Rask's career SV% will stay at .927 when he starts playing an actual starter's workload you're dreaming.

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