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06-08-2013, 12:47 PM
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I think I saw someone suggest that St. Louis and Edmonton should be trading partners.

I agree.

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06-08-2013, 12:54 PM
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To the people who think Horcoff will be bought out, can you explain why?
Because nobody want to pay a third line center that kind of money. Especially with the cap taking a plunge.

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06-08-2013, 01:00 PM
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Because nobody want to pay a third line center that kind of money. Especially with the cap taking a plunge.
The beauty if the new CBA is that teams can acquire Horc at a reasonable salary.

If Horc was at $3 mil salary none of us would want to move him. Well we can pick up part if his cap and make Horc salary $3 mil.

What do good 3rd line centers with a good contract go for?

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06-08-2013, 01:10 PM
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If Horc was at $3 mil salary none of us would want to move him.
Speak for yourself. I'm cracking open a bottle of champagne the day he gets moved/bought out.

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Hemsky at half salary + pick/prospect for Hartnell?

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06-08-2013, 01:12 PM
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The beauty if the new CBA is that teams can acquire Horc at a reasonable salary.

If Horc was at $3 mil salary none of us would want to move him. Well we can pick up part if his cap and make Horc salary $3 mil.

What do good 3rd line centers with a good contract go for?
If Horcoff was 3 million I would buy him out depending on who is available

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06-08-2013, 01:16 PM
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Bozak who is comparable to Horc will likely get 4-5 mil on the open market.

Name me better 3rd line Cs than Horc.....how much do they make?

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06-08-2013, 01:18 PM
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Hemsky at half salary + pick/prospect for Hartnell?
I would consider this. Would be nice to have some puck retrieval and grit in the top six.

He's also got some scoring touch.

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06-08-2013, 01:18 PM
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I see Horcoff going to a cap floor team for a B prospect. Isles like those high hits and lower salary.

Hemsky I see us getting a useful third line player for. Might have to eat some salary here.

If no cap floor teamis interests in Horcoff, he is a definite buyout.

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I would consider this. Would be nice to have some puck retrieval and grit in the top six.

He's also got some scoring touch.
You would consider this? If Philly considered this we'd be giggling.

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You would consider this? If Philly considered this we'd be giggling.
Well, you gotta play it cool or they'll know something's up.

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06-08-2013, 01:52 PM
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Buyout Horcoff. If we can't find a decent 3rd line center swing a deal with NYI and bring back Marty Reasoner for a 1-2 years , two way contract. 5 points in 31 games isn't too bad.

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5 points in 31 games isn't too bad.
no, that is bad

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06-08-2013, 01:57 PM
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Eric B 3 points in 26 games.

Anton L 11 games 1 point

Chris Vandevelde 11 games 0 points

Jerred Smithson 10 games 1 point

Marty is decent on the dot. I said worst case not best case scenario.


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Buyout Horcoff. If we can't find a decent 3rd line center swing a deal with NYI and bring back Marty Reasoner for a 1-2 years , two way contract. 5 points in 31 games isn't too bad.
Reasoner seems like a fringe NHLer now. No thanks on bringing him back especially at 3rd line C...

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I wish MacTavish hadn't mentioned Horcoff, because he could have remained our expensive third line centre..It wouldn't seem right somehow to keep him on our roster after being mentioned as someone who needed a change for his and our benefit. So a late round pick or buy him out and move on might be the best MacT can do.

Hemsky, without us keeping any of his salary, could bring us a project prospect, pick or player not currently living up to their potential (a gamble). I don't think we will get fair value for Hemsky, but he is a player that would benefit from new scenery.

Hope I am wrong for both, but we'll see.

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06-08-2013, 02:03 PM
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I know people are sick of kids, prospects and all that fun stuff, but I would be trying to put together something to get Barkov and bring him in as a 3C. Work on Poile and Yzerman as long as it takes. Our 7th, next year's first, prospects, whatever.

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06-08-2013, 02:07 PM
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To the people who think Horcoff will be bought out, can you explain why?
Right now the Oilers have $15 M in cap room and need to sign five forwards, three defencemen and a goalie.

Buying out Horcoff puts them over $20M in cap room and adds the need for a 3C.

The cap is going to be tight all over.

There will be no teams making trades to get to the cap floor. So there is no trade market for Horcoff that makes sense for the Oilers.

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06-08-2013, 02:19 PM
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Horcoff makes a lot less than his cap hit. To a team that isn't at the cap, his salary isn't that bad. If Edmonton retains 1-1.5 million, his salary (in real dollars) is pretty good. Still only a third liner at best in terms of value, but a legitimate NHL player worth an asset of some kind coming back.

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you're not getting much for either of them, IMO. Years of being part of a losing team, both with some injury history, and both having rather poor seasons. Add all of this to their bad contracts, you can't expect much more than a bad contract in return, or a low level prospect, or a late round draft pick. They have more value to the Oil, but it's time to move on, and change the culture of the team. I think both will bounce back where ever they end up. Change of scenery would be great for them both, I wish them both luck. Hemsky is one of my favourites all time. Horcoff did what he could, it's not his fault he's overpaid, he works hard, he's just not a top 2 line centre.

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Has anyone heard of any potential hemsky trades that tambo turned down? I realize its water under the bridge, but I still would like to know. I heard Hemsky for erat + was offered at the draft, last year. I suspect the + was the 32nd pick. If that's true It's no wonder Tambo got skidded

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Has anyone heard of any potential hemsky trades that tambo turned down? I realize its water under the bridge, but I still would like to know. I heard Hemsky for erat + was offered at the draft, last year. I suspect the + was the 32nd pick. If that's true It's no wonder Tambo got skidded
I heard something like Hemsky for Forsberg at the TDD but I'm not sure if it was legit

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I heard something like Hemsky for Forsberg at the TDD but I'm not sure if it was legit
Hmmm. Well, not sure I would have made that one. Maybe.

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I would do Hemsky for Chris Stewart staright across

I would do Horcoff for Louongo

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Has anyone heard of any potential hemsky trades that tambo turned down? I realize its water under the bridge, but I still would like to know. I heard Hemsky for erat + was offered at the draft, last year. I suspect the + was the 32nd pick. If that's true It's no wonder Tambo got skidded
??? So how is the + on the Erat side if the 32nd pick was involved? We had the 32nd pick. And if you're saying Hemmer + 32nd for Erat, I wouldn't have done that either.

I think most analysts on 2012 trade deadline day seemed to be hearing no more than a 2nd rder was on the table, with Detroit and Nashville being two of the more interested parties. This year, we stood pat because we were in playoff contention. The golden opportunity would have been trade deadline 2011, but I think Tambo was worried about negative backlash in moving (arguably) our two best players at the time in Penner and Hemsky. Hindsight is 20/20, Tambo probably thought Hemsky would have similar value a year later as a pure rental. He was wrong.

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