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06-11-2013, 06:40 AM
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Maple Leafs? Leafs? That's not a word! It should be Leaves! How stupid "Leafs" must have looked for the first few years of its century-long history.

RedBlacks, like the Leafs, can become an original Ontario team brand name.
Unlikely, since people in the 30s would have known what the Maple Leaf Regiment was.

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If RedBlacks wasn't stupid enough, they are requesting for media to refer to them as the Ottawa REDBLACKS.

Maybe if they scream the name, it will sound better?
Well Ottawa is the "CAPITAL".

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I'm going to assume you're being a homer here. When you think about it, it's quite a genius name. It originally of course was the name of a Toronto rowing club, which I think was creative to name themselves after the most famous rowers from legend, a name that inspired the name 'astronaut'. The football team was founded by the rowing team (in fact I think the team has had the name Argonauts longer than the name Toronto).

It's one of those rare names that goes completely of the map by drawing from a seldom used source and it works. It sounds good, and has deep meaning. It represents the very opposite end of the spectrum of creativity from that of the RedBlacks...
Not sure what you mean by homer Mr Doctor. I do know the history some but to quote shakespeare 'to suck by any other name is still an Argo'

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Does anyone here even watch the CFL?
Why do you ask this???

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Why do you ask this???
Just curious. By the comments, it doesn't sound like many here follow the CFL - especially since the name was hinted at for a while.

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The sheer hatred surrounding this name has been unbelievable. Particularly in Ottawa itself.

Personally, I think a lot of it is just whining for the sake of whining. The name is absolutely fine, reasonably unique, and rolls off the tongue. No we couldn't have 'Rough Riders' (who actually even cares, they sucked ass 1980 onwards), and this one keeps the 'R' name without being too ridiculously goofy (someone suggested the 'Rocks'....the 'Rocks' ). It's not great no, but it's not bad given the constraints and circumstances.

Literally the only part of this team name that should be of any concern to ANYBODY in Ottawa is the "Ottawa" part. The rest is completely irrelevant. All that matters is that for the first time in a long while, Ottawa will have multiple pro teams in the city with strong ownership, a brand new venue, and a (seemingly) bright financial future. For years Ottawa has sat at the absolute bottom of big city sports towns in Canada, and now we have a chance to climb back out, and the first thing on everyone's mind is to poo-poo the name?? You all need

To those complete morons who claim they won't be supporting the team because it's called Redblacks. Get the **** over yourselves. Ottawa has a new team to support...finally. Aren't you happy we have a horse in the race in something OTHER THAN HOCKEY (not to mention this team will actually be based IN OTTAWA, not some suburb in the middle of nowhere).

If you're willing to let something as simple and unimportant as the name deter you from attending games, you are a bandwagoning disgrace of a sports fan and I'd rather you stay far, far away from both Lansdowne Park, and Scotiabank Place. The CFL is made of sterner stuff than the likes of you.

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06-11-2013, 10:07 AM
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Red 'n Black

(My first choice. Guess the French is cool. The English is unique at least, easy to google search)

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The Hart brothers of wrestling fame in the old WWF called themselves the Pink n' Black Attack, and seems to me there's a slogan in the NBA Red & Black Attack. I could see this morphing into The Ottawa Red n' Black Attack... Not that I care for that either but at least its something. Goes somewhere.

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Not sure what you mean by homer Mr Doctor.
Slamming a teams name when there's a logical source for it usually makes someone sound like they've got the homer glasses on quite tightly.

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I do know the history some but to quote shakespeare 'to suck by any other name is still an Argo'
Most Grey Cup championships, last years winner, yet they sure do suck. : (FYI: this also makes you look like a homer.)

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06-11-2013, 11:26 AM
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Slamming a teams name when there's a logical source for it usually makes someone sound like they've got the homer glasses on quite tightly.



Most Grey Cup championships, last years winner, yet they sure do suck. : (FYI: this also makes you look like a homer.)
if hating the Argos is wrong than I don't ever want to be right

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The sheer hatred surrounding this name has been unbelievable. Particularly in Ottawa itself.

Personally, I think a lot of it is just whining for the sake of whining. The name is absolutely fine, reasonably unique, and rolls off the tongue. No we couldn't have 'Rough Riders' (who actually even cares, they sucked ass 1980 onwards), and this one keeps the 'R' name without being too ridiculously goofy (someone suggested the 'Rocks'....the 'Rocks' ). It's not great no, but it's not bad given the constraints and circumstances.

Literally the only part of this team name that should be of any concern to ANYBODY in Ottawa is the "Ottawa" part. The rest is completely irrelevant. All that matters is that for the first time in a long while, Ottawa will have multiple pro teams in the city with strong ownership, a brand new venue, and a (seemingly) bright financial future. For years Ottawa has sat at the absolute bottom of big city sports towns in Canada, and now we have a chance to climb back out, and the first thing on everyone's mind is to poo-poo the name?? You all need

To those complete morons who claim they won't be supporting the team because it's called Redblacks. Get the **** over yourselves. Ottawa has a new team to support...finally. Aren't you happy we have a horse in the race in something OTHER THAN HOCKEY (not to mention this team will actually be based IN OTTAWA, not some suburb in the middle of nowhere).

If you're willing to let something as simple and unimportant as the name deter you from attending games, you are a bandwagoning disgrace of a sports fan and I'd rather you stay far, far away from both Lansdowne Park, and Scotiabank Place. The CFL is made of sterner stuff than the likes of you.
Amen

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if the best argument you can muster for a name is "it won't be so bad in 50 years", then you're basically conceding that it's a terrible name and only half a century of context can make it passable.

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Does anyone here even watch the CFL?
Just in western Canada, people in eastern Canada follow hockey year round and a little cricket.

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Maple Leafs? Leafs? That's not a word! It should be Leaves! How stupid "Leafs" must have looked for the first few years of its century-long history.

RedBlacks, like the Leafs, can become an original Ontario team brand name.
You don't called a family with the surname 'Wolf' the 'Wolves,' do you? They're the 'Wolfs.'

Same rule applies: 'Maple Leaf' becomes 'Maple Leafs,' instead of 'Maple Leaves.'


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Unlikely, since people in the 30s would have known what the Maple Leaf Regiment was.
Reposting a previous post of mine in this topic....

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Actually, there was no WWI Maple Leaf regiment or battalion from Ontario, at least not as far as can be told. More likely, the team was named after the Maple Leaf regimental badges that most Canadian units wore, but over the course of time that got confused into representing a Maple Leaf Regiment badge. That, and the team just so happened to be given the exact same name as a baseball team that was, at the time, far more popular than the hockey team but which obviously faded into oblivion since then.

http://1967ers.wordpress.com/2012/05...led-the-leafs/
And I do agree that if you're a fan of a sport, the team name alone shouldn't be enough to dissuade you from attending games.

That being said, if you think that the name and the look are utterly stupid, have nothing against you not wanting to buy and wear the team's gear.

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What a preposterous question. The team hasn't been named like this for 50 years, and if it had, we'd have an entirely different and developed outlook on the name that has been cultivated by many different things we cannot comprehend at this current time (since we've just heard the name).

We can only judge the name now, shockingly. I love hypothetical questions, but this question is about as useful and intelligent as not naming your own child.

The name is very poor IMO. Will people get used to it and accept it? Sure, doesn't mean here and now it isn't superficially a terrible name.
It's not a bad question. I'm merely asking what would be the reaction to the name today if it were 50 years old. What's wrong with posing that question?

What makes a name "good"? Why are the "Browns" or "Reds" good? If RedBlacks were as old, would it be considered in the same ilk as the names listed? Sure we can only judge it now, but just try and imagine how the name would be received if it was 20, 50, 80 years old. What would the reaction be? I think the reaction would be quite different.

I'm just curious for peoples answers. Nothing wrong with asking that question.

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The sheer hatred surrounding this name has been unbelievable. Particularly in Ottawa itself.

Personally, I think a lot of it is just whining for the sake of whining. The name is absolutely fine, reasonably unique, and rolls off the tongue. No we couldn't have 'Rough Riders' (who actually even cares, they sucked ass 1980 onwards), and this one keeps the 'R' name without being too ridiculously goofy (someone suggested the 'Rocks'....the 'Rocks' ). It's not great no, but it's not bad given the constraints and circumstances.

Literally the only part of this team name that should be of any concern to ANYBODY in Ottawa is the "Ottawa" part. The rest is completely irrelevant. All that matters is that for the first time in a long while, Ottawa will have multiple pro teams in the city with strong ownership, a brand new venue, and a (seemingly) bright financial future. For years Ottawa has sat at the absolute bottom of big city sports towns in Canada, and now we have a chance to climb back out, and the first thing on everyone's mind is to poo-poo the name?? You all need

To those complete morons who claim they won't be supporting the team because it's called Redblacks. Get the **** over yourselves. Ottawa has a new team to support...finally. Aren't you happy we have a horse in the race in something OTHER THAN HOCKEY (not to mention this team will actually be based IN OTTAWA, not some suburb in the middle of nowhere).

If you're willing to let something as simple and unimportant as the name deter you from attending games, you are a bandwagoning disgrace of a sports fan and I'd rather you stay far, far away from both Lansdowne Park, and Scotiabank Place. The CFL is made of sterner stuff than the likes of you.
Wow, Ed...

The post is too harsh/heavy handed but, for the most part, you and I finally agree. Bravo!!!

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It's not a bad question. I'm merely asking what would be the reaction to the name today if it were 50 years old. What's wrong with posing that question?

What makes a name "good"? Why are the "Browns" or "Reds" good? If RedBlacks were as old, would it be considered in the same ilk as the names listed? Sure we can only judge it now, but just try and imagine how the name would be received if it was 20, 50, 80 years old. What would the reaction be? I think the reaction would be quite different.

I'm just curious for peoples answers. Nothing wrong with asking that question.
My rebuttal to that is when folks state where the Cleveland Browns, or the Cincinnati Reds or *insert team name here* got their names from, they could point it out, and for the time that it was coined if it made sense or not. Heck you could even do that with the Raptors, albeit it's a "We wanted to get on the Jurassic Park bandwagon" type of reason. When folks look back at Ottawa's latest CFL incarnation (and hopefully they will), will the story of "because a focus group told us it sounded cool?" sound compelling? Very doubtful. Even a "well the fans voted for it" would sound better then that.

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Wow, Ed...

The post is too harsh/heavy handed but, for the most part, you and I finally agree. Bravo!!!
'Shrug' we both love sports and we both want to see this league expand positively; preferably without the stupid, relentless yet pointless backlash at every turn. We just take a different approach/mindset to it that's all.

Was bound to happen sooner or later. Let's go RedBlacks!

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Let's go RedBlacks!
Amen! I may drive up from Southern Ontario if they have a throwback Rough Rider day/game. It would do my heart good to see the Rough Riders again. I would love it even more if they did it against the Green Riders (hate those ********) and won.

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So why are the Hartford Whalers - a team whose name was derived from the acronym of the name of the league they played in - such a great name, but RedBlacks is a crime against humanity?

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So why are the Hartford Whalers - a team whose name was derived from the acronym of the name of the league they played in - such a great name, but RedBlacks is a crime against humanity?
People are talking about this team and that is NEVER as bad thing.

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People are talking about this team and that is NEVER as bad thing.
I think that's part of the rationale with this name. The 'leak' started the ball rolling and now full steam!

Being an OT thread, it's pushing 150 posts in under 3 days speaks of the impact of the name, with both points of view

The announcement of the Pelicans have never had it this good

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My rebuttal to that is when folks state where the Cleveland Browns, or the Cincinnati Reds or *insert team name here* got their names from, they could point it out, and for the time that it was coined if it made sense or not. Heck you could even do that with the Raptors, albeit it's a "We wanted to get on the Jurassic Park bandwagon" type of reason. When folks look back at Ottawa's latest CFL incarnation (and hopefully they will), will the story of "because a focus group told us it sounded cool?" sound compelling? Very doubtful. Even a "well the fans voted for it" would sound better then that.
That's a good point. Actually, I find it pretty funny. Although I would hope there's a better story from Hunt about the name.

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People are talking about this team and that is NEVER as bad thing.
The Big Ten was probably thinking the same thing about the Legends and Leaders Divisions, but them getting mocked nonstop, even on national sports news coverage, was a major driving force in them finally deciding to go for more traditional names with a realignment once the next expansion happens.

Not all news is good news, despite what some would have you believe. Sure, they're getting a lot of coverage, but it's uniformly negative and it's painting the situation in the light that even their future fans want a name change.

If the negative name coverage continues, a la ESPN pundits mocking not even knowing or caring if a school was part of the Legends Division or the Leaders Division a good year after the names were announced, then it's not going to be a good situation for the team.

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