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06-09-2013, 08:05 PM
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Huh? Yes he is
Uh no he's not. There is pretty damn talented dmen there that has been playing the top minutes and against the toughest opposition since the last quarter of 2011-12 regular season plus playoffs and then this past season.

Yandle actually plays sheltered minutes (which has been discussed on these boards plenty).

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06-09-2013, 08:07 PM
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1. Trade Klefbom +7th for Yandle +
2. Buyout Horcoff
3. Trade N.Schultz for 2nd/3rd
4. Trade Hemsky for Gaustad
5. Sign Bickell, Torres, Miller, Lapierre, Theodore
6. Offersheet Pietrangelo 8 mil/ year


FORWARDS

Bryan Bickell ($4.000m) / Ryan N.-Hopkins ($3.775m) / Jordan Eberle ($6.000m)
Taylor Hall ($6.000m) / Sam Gagner ($4.500m) / Nail Yakupov ($3.775m)
Raffi Torres ($2.000m) / Paul Gaustad ($3.250m) / Magnus Paajarvi ($1.500m)
Drew Miller ($1.500m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.500m) / Mike Brown ($0.737m)

DEFENSEMEN
Keith Yandle ($5.250m) / Alex Pietrangelo ($8.000m)
Ladislav Smid ($3.500m) / Jeff Petry ($1.750m)
Anton Belov ($1.525m) / Justin Schultz ($3.775m)
Corey Potter ($0.775m)

GOALTENDERS
Devan Dubnyk ($3.500m)
Jose Theodore ($1.500m)

Cap 64.2
I think this is a pretty good effort to improve out team quickly.

I wouldn't do the first trade though, too much to give up for Yandle. 7th overall and Gernat would likely be my max, Yandle does a lot of things well for us but doesn't play a complete game.

While I think the Hemsky trade seems realistic I'm just not sure I like the make-up of the 3rd line, I like the players individually, but my gut tells me the chemistry wouldn't be great on that line.

If Drew Miller signs I think he will command a spot on the 3rd line, he's one of the best 4th liners in the league if he leaves Detroit it should come with more minutes in a more prominent role.

Pietro offer sheets are pie in the sky, he should be signed quickly and if not St. Louis will match any offer sheet unless it is absolutely ridiculous bordering on insane.

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06-09-2013, 08:24 PM
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Hmm..

Hall - RNH - Eberle
Antropov - Valtteri - Yakupov
MPS - Mitchell - Clarkson
Latendresse - Gordon - Hartikainen
Brown

Yandle - Petry
Smid - JSchultz
Ference - Belov (I believe Belov plays right?)
Potter

Dubnyk
Emery

Gone: Gagner, Horc, Hemsky, NSchultz, Smyth, Belanger

Klefbom can play in europe or OKC for another year.

I know D ain't great but better than what we have atm without costing and arm and a leg. I know Valtteri is strange I am unaware if he was taken off C. I didn't pay much attention to him. Antropov is big and can solidify size and play C if **** so happens to hit the fan.

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06-09-2013, 08:30 PM
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Hmm..

Hall - RNH - Eberle
Antropov - Valtteri - Yakupov
MPS - Mitchell - Clarkson
Latendresse - Gordon - Hartikainen
Brown

Yandle - Petry
Smid - JSchultz
Ference - Belov (I believe Belov plays right?)
Potter

Dubnyk
Emery

Gone: Gagner, Horc, Hemsky, NSchultz, Smyth, Belanger

Klefbom can play in europe or OKC for another year.

I know D ain't great but better than what we have atm without costing and arm and a leg. I know Valtteri is strange I am unaware if he was taken off C. I didn't pay much attention to him. Antropov is big and can solidify size and play C if **** so happens to hit the fan.
That team looks expensive and slow, and You don't play Potter over Klefbom.

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06-09-2013, 08:32 PM
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That team looks expensive and slow, and You don't play Potter over Klefbom.
Yea true. Nvm.

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I can see MacT bringing in Thor. He loved that guy. He would be cheap, short commitment, and has been tearing it up overseas.
I've got to see him quite a few times since he's left us, I think he is a noticeably better player now than he was when we had him. I am not sure if he would come back for a 4th line role, but I would sign him if he was willing to take that role, he plays with enough gumption that I'm not concerned about the size issue so long as we counter-balance him with atleast one big body and an atleast average sized center.

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06-09-2013, 09:10 PM
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Uh no he's not. There is pretty damn talented dmen there that has been playing the top minutes and against the toughest opposition since the last quarter of 2011-12 regular season plus playoffs and then this past season.

Yandle actually plays sheltered minutes (which has been discussed on these boards plenty).
Trust me when I say I watch him a lot more than you do. He's a top pairing dman. Unless you're one of those people that consider Malkin a 2nd liner that is (which is actually the least questionable method of thinking if you don't consider Yandle a top pairing guy). Having OEL there doesn't make Yandle any worse of a dman

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06-09-2013, 09:17 PM
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Mackenzie reporting both Brayden Schenn and Couturier might be available from Philly.

They would probably want an established d-man, maybe Petry +7th pick(good contract for them) might get it done, though I suspect Philly would get better/higher-profile offers.

Still, would be interesting if the Oilers could get in on that if Philly is really looking move one of them.

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06-09-2013, 09:18 PM
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Mackenzie reporting both Brayden Schenn and Couturier might be available from Philly.

They would probably want an established d-man, maybe Petry +7th pick(good contract for them) might get it done, though I suspect Philly would get better/higher-profile offers.

Still, would be interesting if the Oilers could get in on that if Philly is really looking move one of them.
I would like one or both of them, but I don't know that the Oilers are in the position of being able to move Petry out, unless it's for an upgrade on the blueline. Just my thought though.

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I would like one or both of them, but I don't know that the Oilers are in the position of being able to move Petry out, unless it's for an upgrade on the blueline. Just my thought though.
Yeah, it would create a hole, but it could be worth the payoff of a strong 1/2 center core for a decade.

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Yeah, it would create a hole, but it could be worth the payoff of a strong 1/2 center core for a decade.
No question, I guess it would be a matter of having a plan to fill that hole after creating it. I suspect that Mac-T would have a couple plans in that regard.

The only reason I get so concerned is the considerable lack of depth on the back end. The Oilers are in a position of weakness, and it would only have them get weaker, which would make filling that hole tougher imo.

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Heard from a source that Petry is going to Philly and there is a possible deal sending Eberle to Montreal

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Heard from a source that Petry is going to Philly and there is a possible deal sending Eberle to Montreal
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I'm sure that "Garfield" is throwing out those rumours to see if Edmonton media asks them tomorrow when the Oilers introduce Eakins.

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Heard from a source that Petry is going to Philly and there is a possible deal sending Eberle to Montreal
Oh so we are going to destroy the rw depth by moving Hemsky and Eberle .

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No question, I guess it would be a matter of having a plan to fill that hole after creating it. I suspect that Mac-T would have a couple plans in that regard.

The only reason I get so concerned is the considerable lack of depth on the back end. The Oilers are in a position of weakness, and it would only have them get weaker, which would make filling that hole tougher imo.
We'll see what mact does, if he plans to run the team with as many holes in the roster as Lowe/Tambo deemed acceptable, then we are just speculating about whether it's preferable to see the titanic sink quickly or slowly.

It does create more work to fix the defense, but at the same time, center ice is just as weak, and has significantly less upcoming depth in the organization while being arguably harder to acquire(Chicago settled for Handzus as 2nd line center after 2 years of looking for example).

Don't want to see Petry traded really, but for BSchenn or Couturier, would do it in a second.

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Oh so we are going to destroy the rw depth by moving Hemsky and Eberle .
MacT doesn't want people *****ing that we have too many RW when we draft Nich

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I thought Nichuskin was a LW im probably wrong though.

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We'll see what mact does, if he plans to run the team with as many holes in the roster as Lowe/Tambo deemed acceptable, then we are just speculating about whether it's preferable to see the titanic sink quickly or slowly.

It does create more work to fix the defense, but at the same time, center ice is just as weak, and has significantly less upcoming depth in the organization while being arguably harder to acquire(Chicago settled for Handzus as 2nd line center after 2 years of looking for example).

Don't want to see Petry traded really, but for BSchenn or Couturier, would do it in a second.
Thats a tough one. I still wonder where Petry's peak is. If the guy could somehow turn out to consistantly be that top-pairing beast we see a couple times a season, than there is no way I do this deal.

That said, if he is destined as a 2nd pairing guy, I give MacT the green light to trade him for Couturier as long as he has a plan to bring in some other Dmen somehow.

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Only way we'd move Petry is if we take Coburn back.

Like literally, the move would have to be Gagner + Petry for Couturier + Coburn, and that doesn't really improve our team nor does it really improve their team.

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Gagner and the 7th for the Schenn brothers?

I think I'd do it.

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Gagner and the 7th for the Schenn brothers?

I think I'd do it.
I'm still not 100% sold on them, but I probably would too

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Luke Schenn is far and away the worst in that deal while 7th overall (Monahan/Lindholm) could be better than Brayden. Personally I'd rather have Monahan than Schenn. No chance I take that deal.

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Petry + Horcoff half cap + prospects.

For Briere, Mezaros, Couterier.

Phillys cap is fixed, we flip Gagner + Hemsky for Yandle and Gordons rights. Bickell/Horton get too expensive.

We get Stalberg instead...or Penner!?

Hall - Briere - Yak
Stalberg/Penner - Nuge - Eberle
Paajarvi - Couts - Free Agent
Harski - Gordon - Lander
Smyth Brown

Smid - Yandle
Meszaros - JSchultz
NSchultz - Klefbom
Potter


Bold, not great but better than last year.


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Stalberg would actually be a really interesting signing. He's as good as gone in Chicago because of the cap and we just hired his old coach Dallas Eakins. Chicago is what the Oilers are close to becoming with the right additions. I can see a great fit alongside Paajarvi, who I think is a very similar player to Stalberg.

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