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06-23-2013, 08:50 PM
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Marleau and Thornton- Will either catch Howe for games played?

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Looking for Sharks fans opinions on this. And which of the two you guys think will still be playing in the NHL 8-9 years forward when they are 41/42.

Wondering if Sharks fans or media have discussed either player catching Howe for games played.

Curious if either player mentions it because both are the 2 NHLers with the best chance to catch him (Iginla people gave a chance to be the first to reach Howe but he probably won't be able to find work in 7 years judging with how he looked in Pittsburgh.)

Marleau is 3 months younger than Thornton with 40 more GPs. Both could catch Howe with 8 more full seasons.

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06-23-2013, 09:00 PM
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Darn those lockouts! I think Thornton will play longer than Marleau... He seems like a more emotional person and so it might be harder for him to give it up in the end.

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Hi,

Looking for Sharks fans opinions on this. And which of the two you guys think will still be playing in the NHL 8-9 years forward when they are 41/42.

Wondering if Sharks fans or media have discussed either player catching Howe for games played.

Curious if either player mentions it because both are the 2 NHLers with the best chance to catch him (Iginla people gave a chance to be the first to reach Howe but he probably won't be able to find work in 7 years judging with how he looked in Pittsburgh.)

Marleau is 3 months younger than Thornton with 40 more GPs. Both could catch Howe with 8 more full seasons.
Marleau had the best chance with his durability, conditioning, and the toll on his body is considerably less than Thornton but the lockouts killed his and anyone else's shot that started their career before the 2005 lockout.

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06-23-2013, 10:45 PM
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I think that Thornton's high skill level will let him play in the league until 40. But really, who knows?

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Speed fades faster than creativity ... Joe has the higher likelihood I would say

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Speed fades faster than creativity ... Joe has the higher likelihood I would say
In the case of these two, the type of punishment that Thornton regular takes will wear him down faster than Marleau.

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Marleau had the best chance with his durability, conditioning, and the toll on his body is considerably less than Thornton but the lockouts killed his and anyone else's shot that started their career before the 2005 lockout.
I agree Marleau has the better chance for those reasons.

The lockouts suck but the fact that Howe only played 70 game seasons should also be factored in.

I dont really think the record is really that special anyways.

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06-23-2013, 11:42 PM
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I agree Marleau has the better chance for those reasons.

The lockouts suck but the fact that Howe only played 70 game seasons should also be factored in.

I dont really think the record is really that special anyways.
It is when you factor in that Howe did that in 26 seasons that only Chelios tied him on. It will still take an incredible amount of durability and longevity for anyone to break it but it is possible.

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They both have a chance, Marleau is kinda like Selanne and Jumbo like Jagr in terms of how they might adjust their games with age.

I would think Jumbo has a chance because he doesn't play on the PK and he rarely pushes himself in the regular season. Always taking the last 5-10 seconds of his shift off to cost to the bench.

Maybe he's thinking about the record!

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Dunno if either of them will catch Howe but Thornton will last and continue to be effective far after Marleau has faded.

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hell no, neither of them will come anywhere close

maybe if their sole mission in life was to break the record and they were okay with earning the minimum allowable salary as a 4th liner or something, but even then i'm not sure they could do it

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Their ability to continue will greatly depend on their commitment in the off season. Even Jagr is busting his backside now to remain an NHL player and he has to take shorter shifts. Look at the off seasons for all of the guys who last past 40.

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Dunno if either of them will catch Howe but Thornton will last and continue to be effective far after Marleau has faded.
You might want to look at these listings for centers for 5on5 play in the league:
http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stati...8+19+20#snip=f

Here are the rankings for PP where JT looks much better:
http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stati...8+19+20#snip=f

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Their ability to continue will greatly depend on their commitment in the off season. Even Jagr is busting his backside now to remain an NHL player and he has to take shorter shifts. Look at the off seasons for all of the guys who last past 40.


You might want to look at these listings for centers for 5on5 play in the league:
http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stati...8+19+20#snip=f

Here are the rankings for PP where JT looks much better:
http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stati...8+19+20#snip=f
Torrey Mitchell number one on the PP list? that alone should make the lists invalid towards an argument

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Torrey Mitchell number one on the PP list? that alone should make the lists invalid towards an argument
If you weed out the guys that barely get any power play, it's actually a good argument.

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Howe GP - 1,767
Marleau - 1,165
Thornton - 1,125

Both Thornton and Marleau will be in their age 34 seasons next year...

Thornton has played 55 (rookie), 81, 81, 72, 66, 77, 77, 81, 82, 82, 82, 79, 80, 82, and 48 (lockout) games each season of his career. Dude is crazy durable... let's say he plays 80 games until he's 40? That would put him at top 10. Close but no cigar. He would have to play 80-81 games a year for the next 8 years to pass him... Not impossible, but I don't know if I'd bet on it.

Marleau has played 74, 81, 81, 81, 79, 82, 80, 82, 77, 78, 76, 82, 82, 82, 48 games for his career. Did anyone else realize Marleau hasn't missed a game since 2008-2009??? That's crazy lol. Marleau would only need to average 75-76 games a season for the next 8 years to pass him, which considering his durability...

But basically both would have to play at least through their age 42 seasons to do it...

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As a slight aside to OT, where do people think Marleau will end up in the all time goals ranking.
He's currently at 86th with 404 goals.

The leaderboard sits like this right now, just to give an idea of how it escalates:
80th - John MacLean 413
70th - Daniel Alfredsson 426
60th - Richard Valve 441
50th - Denis Savard 473
40th - Peter Bondra 503
30th - Keith Tkachuk 538
20th - Mike Bossy 573
15th - Joe Sakic 625
10th - Jaromir Jagr 681
5th - Phil Esposito 717
1st - Gretzky 894

I think he could end up somewhere around 25-30 if he plays long enough/stays healthy.

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25-30 is a little optimistic...

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25-30 is a little optimistic...
Yah.

I see him closer to the 40 range.

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Ok, here's a fun one. Patrick Marleau all-time playoff goals.
Currently 37th with 57 goals in 140 games played.

30th - Joe Mullen 60
20th - Peter Forsberg 64
15th - Brian Trottier 71
10th - Jean Beliveau 79
9th - Claude Lemieux 80
8th - Maurice Richard 82
7th - Joe Sakic 84
6th - Mike Bossy 85
5th - Glenn Anderson 93
1st - Gretzky 122

Obviously this depends on a lot more than just what you think of Marleau's production, but of the sharks getting to the playoffs and getting deep in the playoffs etc...

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I think the playoff choker can get to 20th in all time playoff goals.

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So, he's a 'playoff choker', but is 37th all-time in goals already?

Once again, perception = reality around here...

Also, I can legitimately see Marleau getting around 600. I think he still has a lot in the tank and none of his offensive abilities have shown signs of fading.

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Marleau and Thornton are going to find themselves on "Best Players to Never Win" lists

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So, he's a 'playoff choker', but is 37th all-time in goals already?

Once again, perception = reality around here...

Also, I can legitimately see Marleau getting around 600. I think he still has a lot in the tank and none of his offensive abilities have shown signs of fading.
Playoff goals. And 88 was being facetious about the choker thing.

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Playoff goals. And 88 was being facetious about the choker thing.
So was he i think.

I think by 'around here' he meant... on this whole site, not specifically this sharks forum.

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