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06-25-2013, 12:08 AM
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Stoll isn't being moved. Ever.

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Which looks better:
Kopi
Richards-Carter
Stoll
Vey

Moving Richards to 3C and putting TT on 2nd line doesn't increase your offense. That second line you created, without a LW, has no playmaker. TT and carter are both shooters. There's no balance there. And unless you put top 6 wingers with Richards, there's no offense coming there either. I've seen that once already in philly and it wasted a whole year of his career.

This past season, was the best and most complete I've ever seen Carter play. And putting up a ton of goals was only part of that, but a large reason for it was that having Richards as the playmaker, gave Carter the freedom to score. And he likes playing RW with Richards at center. They're good together, the create a lot of offense. And playing RW never hindered him on the ice or where and how he skated. Had this been a full 82 game season, Carter at RW could have potted 45 or more goals. A good line needs to be balanced, TT with Carter doesn't do that.
For a handful of games with their backs to the wall in a WCF with adrenalin pumping , they had to push the envelope and they did.. And Carter was great, realizing he was the only healthy center , he stepped up like a vet should.

But that doesn't take away all the great things he accomplished this year at RW feeding off of a very clever playmaking center who (at Carter has pointed out ) goes to the corners and does the dirty work. He creates, and Carter capitalizes , it works.

Toffoli is very talented player, we all saw his potential. And I'm sure Sutter saw it too. Eventually, he should be on Kopi's line . Kopi's the best center on the team, doesn't he deserve a skilled sniper ? Why not put him RW on line 1 and move Brown to LW on L1 or L2?

Stoll does his job at 3C and is great on faceoffs, PK and defensive zone starts. That's what a 3C does, he shuits down /protects the lead, the zone.
Vey will get his feet wet for a couple of years at 4C and then move up.
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I would be all for moving Williams down and giving Toffoli a shot at RW on Kopitar's line.

Richards/Carter is money, no idea why people want to break that up.


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Stoll isn't being moved. Ever.
Certainly not this year. If Vey continues to push the way he did this year, it's possible. But this year? Absolutely ****ing not. And Stoll isn't playing on the 4th line. And thus, Carter isn't playing center. But let's let people continue to think they're all possibilities.

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06-25-2013, 12:10 AM
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Oh god, are we already back to complaining that Stoll is our weak link and making fantasy lineups with Richards as a 3C and no wingers anywhere? :eyeroll:

Wake me up when the draft rolls around if that's the garbage discourse that's gonna happen in the meantime.

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06-25-2013, 12:14 AM
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Which looks better:
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Richards-Carter
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Vey

Moving Richards to 3C and putting TT on 2nd line doesn't increase your offense. That second line you created, without a LW, has no playmaker. TT and carter are both shooters. There's no balance there. And unless you put top 6 wingers with Richards, there's no offense coming there either. I've seen that once already in philly and it wasted a whole year of his career.

This past season, was the best and most complete I've ever seen Carter play. And putting up a ton of goals was only part of that, but a large reason for it was that having Richards as the playmaker, gave Carter the freedom to score. And he likes playing RW with Richards at center. They're good together, the create a lot of offense. And playing RW never hindered him on the ice or where and how he skated. Had this been a full 82 game season, Carter at RW could have potted 45 or more goals. A good line needs to be balanced, TT with Carter doesn't do that.
For a handful of games with their backs to the wall in a WCF with adrenalin pumping , they had to push the envelope and they did.. And Carter was great, realizing he was the only healthy center , he stepped up like a vet should.

But that doesn't take away all the great things he accomplished this year at RW feeding off of a very clever playmaking center who (at Carter has pointed out ) goes to the corners and does the dirty work. He creates, and Carter capitalizes , it works.

Toffoli is very talented player, we all saw his potential. And I'm sure Sutter saw it too. Eventually, he should be on Kopi's line . Kopi's the best center on the team, doesn't he deserve a skilled sniper ? Why not put him RW on line 1 and move Brown to LW on L1 or L2?

Stoll does his job at 3C and is great on faceoffs, PK and defensive zone starts. That's what a 3C does, he shuits down /protects the lead, the zone.
Vey will get his feet wet for a couple of years at 4C and then move up.
I stopped reading after the bolded. I guess by your definition of a good center, Stamkos isn't a good center either, since he's more of a goal scorer than he is a passer.

It really doesn't matter who scores, as long as we can score more than 2 goals per game. Having Richards as our 3C gives us that opportunity. And Stoll is too expensive to be our 4C for those thinking it.

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06-25-2013, 12:15 AM
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Hmmm:

Brown/Kopi/Toffoli
Frattin/Richards/Carter
Holloway/Stoll/Williams
Clifford/Lewis/Nolan

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I stopped reading after the bolded. I guess by your definition of a good center, Stamkos isn't a good center either, since he's more of a goal scorer than he is a passer.

It really doesn't matter who scores, as long as we can score more than 2 goals per game. Having Richards as our 3C gives us that opportunity. And Stoll is too expensive to be our 4C for those thinking it.
Stamkos plays with the best play making winger in the league(arguably)....


You ever heard of a Marty St lou ? He kind of sets up a lot of Stamkos's goals...

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You lineup has a hole in it so, your the one suggesting lineups out of fantasy land.

Put together a lineup that is full with Richards not getting saddled with our garbage bottom six....

I await your response.
Put one together that keeps him in the top 6? You can't either cause of the obvious hole. The suggestion was made to try and create flexibility. Whether the move was right or wrong is besides the point. Your suggestion is to do nothing at all about the bottom 6 and still not have a spot for toffoli. Shrug. Just have to wait to see what DL does, not worth debating.

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And yes, Carter was great at center. But how quickly we forget about this...


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Oh god, are we already back to complaining that Stoll is our weak link and making fantasy lineups with Richards as a 3C and no wingers anywhere? :eyeroll:

Wake me up when the draft rolls around if that's the garbage discourse that's gonna happen in the meantime.
I'm convinced people don't read. No one said he is the weak link.

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Put one together that keeps him in the top 6? You can't either cause of the obvious hole. The suggestion was made to try and create flexibility. Whether the move was right or wrong is besides the point. Your suggestion is to do nothing at all about the bottom 6 and still not have a spot for toffoli. Shrug. Just have to wait to see what DL does, not worth debating.
The way it stands now.

Brown/Koptar/Willaims
Frattin/Richards/Carter
King/Stoll/Lewis
Clifford/Fraser/Nolan

That is a believable lineup.

I await your fantasy lineup....

I would like

Brown/Koptiar/Williams
Frattin/Carter/Toffoli
Holloway/Richards/Lewis
King/Fraserr/Nolan

If you want to move Stoll


Not moving Stoll

Brown/Kopitar/Toffoli
Frattin/Richards/Carter
Holloway/Stoll/Williams
Clifford/Fraser/Lewis

Done and done...

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BRAVO BRAVO>>>>>>


Thank YOU....


I would be all for moving Williams down and giving Toffoli a shot at RW on Kopitar's line.

Richards/Carter is money, no idea why people want to break that up.
Right...you want to move Williams where Lewis (Sutter's fav) resides. Try it again sport!

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I'm convinced people don't read. No one said he is the weak link.
Seriously. When they don't have any substance to back it up, they put words in our mouth.

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The way it stands now.

Brown/Koptar/Willaims
Frattin/Richards/Carter
King/Stoll/Lewis
Clifford/Fraser/Nolan

That is a believable lineup.

I await your fantasy lineup....

I would like

Brown/Koptiar/Williams
Frattin/Carter/Toffoli
Holloway/Richards/Lewis
King/Fraserr/Nolan

If you want to move Stoll


Not moving Stoll

Brown/Kopitar/Toffoli
Frattin/Richards/Carter
Holloway/Stoll/Lewis
Clifford/Fraser/Nolan


Done and done...
Where's Willie???

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Where's Willie???
I corrected it.

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Right...you want to move Williams where Lewis (Sutter's fav) resides. Try it again sport!
He is a bottom Six player, Don't think Sutter would be too opposed to
it.

Although he could just as easily Bench Toffoli the whole season.

Who knows.

Williams did make that Kopitar line go this season.

But I think Kopitar will be better....Let's hope.

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Seriously. When they don't have any substance to back it up, they put words in our mouth.
So show me the replacement lineup that's better? Talk about no substance to back it up. It's easy to pretend you're the GM when you just drive by with 'move Stoll' and nothing else.

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I corrected it.
I love how you insert King as our fantasy 4LW but you sneak in Clifford as your 4LW. You ever think about being a politician?

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I love how you insert King as our fantasy 4LW but you sneak in Clifford as your 4LW. You ever think about being a politician?
Still awaiting your fantasy lineup, genius

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Man

Holloway/Stoll/Williams.....That would be a dynamite Third line.

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The way it stands now.

Brown/Koptar/Willaims
Frattin/Richards/Carter
King/Stoll/Lewis
Clifford/Fraser/Nolan

That is a believable lineup.

I await your fantasy lineup....

I would like

Brown/Koptiar/Williams
Frattin/Carter/Toffoli
Holloway/Richards/Lewis
King/Fraserr/Nolan

If you want to move Stoll


Not moving Stoll

Brown/Kopitar/Toffoli
Frattin/Richards/Carter
Holloway/Stoll/Williams
Clifford/Fraser/Lewis

Done and done...
That first one is terrible. Any lineup with king in the top 9 sucks.

Your 2nd assumes holloway signs. As of right now he's not, and I would be suprised if he takes what the kings can currently offer.

You can call my lineup a fantasy all you want, but yours is just as much of one as ours is as holloway isn't signed.

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He is a bottom Six player, Don't think Sutter would be too opposed to
it.

Although he could just as easily Bench Toffoli the whole season.

Who knows.

Williams did make that Kopitar line go this season.

But I think Kopitar will be better....Let's hope.
As long as Sutter is our coach, Lewis will be in the top 9.

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I love how you insert King as our fantasy 4LW but you sneak in Clifford as your 4LW. You ever think about being a politician?
King and Clifford are going to end up being in and out of the lineup.

I think this year is a make or break for King. He doesn't have a contract past it.

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Still awaiting your fantasy lineup, genius
Learn to read Einstein!

I've already posted it, you just have to find it.

I'm sure you'll give me the big thumbs up!

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That first one is terrible. Any lineup with king in the top 9 sucks.

Your 2nd assumes holloway signs. As of right now he's not, and I would be suprised if he takes what the kings can currently offer.

You can call my lineup a fantasy all you want, but yours is just as much of one as ours is as holloway isn't signed.
You put one out there ?

Where ?

The second one was what I would like to see(if you move Stoll out).

The first one is what the Kings have.

Also the first lineup is basically what the Kings had to make it to the WCF...

So is that terrible ?

Unless people are suggesting Frattin is worse than Penner or King ?

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