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06-09-2013, 10:11 AM
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...if the Blues couldn't sign all of them, do you think he'd admit it publicly?
He'd just say nothing at all.

It really is cute reading all the Flyer fans' posts on here.

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06-09-2013, 10:15 AM
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...if the Blues couldn't sign all of them, do you think he'd admit it publicly?
I think you would have seen signs that money was an issue. May have tried to trade someone at the deadline, would be working quicker on getting these done, etc.

Let me ask you this, do you think he would trade for Jay Bouwmeester with absolutely no salary going back if there was even the SLIGHTEST chance that it would affect being able to sign Pietrangelo or Shattenkirk?

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Jets have the richest owner in pro sports, and more than enough cap space. I don't think Bogosian will get an offer that would not be instantly matched.
Do the Jets spend to the cap?

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I have a feeling he'll go after Cody Franson. Right handed shot, really coming into his own. Played really physical in the playoffs. He's only 24 and big body. Pretty good skater.

Had 29 regular season points in just 45 games. In Playoffs, 6 points in 7. Not bad.

Leafs have some cap space if they buy out Komi and Connelly is finally off the books.

Carl Gunnerson is another reliable D who's also an RFA. If I'm Nonis, I would pay some attention to his RFA's.


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He'd just say nothing at all.

It really is cute reading all the Flyer fans' posts on here.
Cute?

Honestly, I've said from the start--here and on the Flyers boards, that this whole idea is absurd. Pietrangelo will absolutely get signed. I'm about 95 percent sure that Shattenkirk will as well, and the small chance that he doesn't is basically rooted in a the possibility that he wants Pietrangelo-like money, which he doesn't deserve.

In other words, the only way that the Flyers (or any team) could successfully offer sheet Shattenkirk is by paying him premium #1 D money--and thus screwing themselves.

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Do the Jets spend to the cap?
Currently? No. In the future? Yes. They have a lot of CAP room right now, so it's not really an issue.

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Currently? No. In the future? Yes. They have a lot of CAP room right now, so it's not really an issue.
The party line from ownership is that the Jets would be a mid cap team, and then spend to the cap to add the necessary pieces if/when Jets were getting close to contending. This was before the new CBA. The drop in the cap brings it down closer to the Jets "honey zone" where they can spend to the cap and still be profitable (not counting playoff revenue).

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Cute?

Honestly, I've said from the start--here and on the Flyers boards, that this whole idea is absurd. Pietrangelo will absolutely get signed. I'm about 95 percent sure that Shattenkirk will as well, and the small chance that he doesn't is basically rooted in a the possibility that he wants Pietrangelo-like money, which he doesn't deserve.

In other words, the only way that the Flyers (or any team) could successfully offer sheet Shattenkirk is by paying him premium #1 D money--and thus screwing themselves.
It's cute that every time we logically state why it won't happen, you guys make some poor response trying to say we are wrong, despite you guys actually agreeing with us. That's cute and adorable to me.

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...if the Blues couldn't sign all of them, do you think he'd admit it publicly?
If we would have trouble fitting all those guys in, do you think we would have acquired J-Bo?

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06-09-2013, 11:22 AM
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Philly doesn't have the cap space to make a serious hardball offer for Petro or Shattenkirk so im not sure what the issue is. Any money saved by buying out Briere and Pronger will be immediately used to resign Schenn, Cout, Giroux next year and even then philly will have cap issues. There's no way for Holmgren to try and offer sheet someone else without causing the resign price on his RFA to sky rocket.
Dude, if we manage to sign Pietrangelo, we will cross the bridge of re-signing Couturier, Schenn and Read when we get to it. Timonen will retire and free up an additional $6M in cap space. Schenn probably won't get much of a raise on his already $3M+ cap hit. Giroux and Couturier will require raises, but nothing that won't be covered by $6M total per year. $3M more to Giroux would bring him to $6.75M. $3M more to Couturier will bring him to almost $5M, which he won't get. We might have to let go of Read, but it's worth it for Pietrangelo. Meszaros can easily be unloaded to free up another $4M. We will be fine.

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Dude, if we manage to sign Pietrangelo, we will cross the bridge of re-signing Couturier, Schenn and Read when we get to it. Timonen will retire and free up an additional $6M in cap space. Schenn probably won't get much of a raise on his already $3M+ cap hit. Giroux and Couturier will require raises, but nothing that won't be covered by $6M total per year. $3M more to Giroux would bring him to $6.75M. $3M more to Couturier will bring him to almost $5M, which he won't get. We might have to let go of Read, but it's worth it for Pietrangelo. Meszaros can easily be unloaded to free up another $4M. We will be fine.
And your problems on defense are still there, you just change some names around.

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Offer sheets may be matched, but it does screw up your internal budget when moron GM's over-offer on that contract.

As an Avs fan, I'm still reeling over Ryan O'Reilly's contract. People like Holmgren and Feaster must be thorns in every Gm's side.

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You would think St. Louis would let Shattenkirk walk a million times over before they even think about Pietrangelo. He's a true #1D you build your backend around.

I really can't even fathom anything Philly would realistically put forth in an offer for Alex that St. Louis would even think about.

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And your problems on defense are still there, you just change some names around.
Our defense problem is that we have no #1 defenseman because of Pronger's injury and Timonen's age. Pietrangelo would fill that huge whole. We would still have Schenn, Coburn, Grossmann, Gustafsson, etc. Potentially, we could have the following for next season (although I very much doubt we actually land Pietrangelo).

Coburn - Pietrangelo
Timonen - Schenn
Grossmann - Gustafsson

That is pretty ****in good.

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Honestly, with the change in contracts, I don't see the Flyers being able to pry any of the big names away without a huge overpayment, which will just handcuff them further and deplete their crappy prospect pool when they have to give up 4 1sts.

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Our defense problem is that we have no #1 defenseman because of Pronger's injury and Timonen's age. Pietrangelo would fill that huge whole. We would still have Schenn, Coburn, Grossmann, Gustafsson, etc. Potentially, we could have the following for next season (although I very much doubt we actually land Pietrangelo).

Coburn - Pietrangelo
Timonen - Schenn
Grossmann - Gustafsson

That is pretty ****in good.
Come on now use your brain there is a zero percent chance Philly gets Pietrangelo. The Blues will match anything thrown at Pietrangelo. The only hope they would have would be Shattenkirk and they would end up needing to give him number one defenseman money.

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Flyers should hope that one of these guys decides not to reup and then gets qualified for a year and hits UFA when we can sign them. But that would have happened with weber

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Our defense problem is that we have no #1 defenseman because of Pronger's injury and Timonen's age. Pietrangelo would fill that huge whole. We would still have Schenn, Coburn, Grossmann, Gustafsson, etc. Potentially, we could have the following for next season (although I very much doubt we actually land Pietrangelo).

Coburn - Pietrangelo
Timonen - Schenn
Grossmann - Gustafsson

That is pretty ****in good.
Take Timonen out, you said he retired and that money was used to resign forwards.

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Contract talks have already started with Bogosian, it would take a pretty ridiculous offer sheet for the Jets to not match. We're looking at locking him up for around 5.5 over 6-8 years.

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Dude, if we manage to sign Pietrangelo, we will cross the bridge of re-signing Couturier, Schenn and Read when we get to it. Timonen will retire and free up an additional $6M in cap space. Schenn probably won't get much of a raise on his already $3M+ cap hit. Giroux and Couturier will require raises, but nothing that won't be covered by $6M total per year. $3M more to Giroux would bring him to $6.75M. $3M more to Couturier will bring him to almost $5M, which he won't get. We might have to let go of Read, but it's worth it for Pietrangelo. Meszaros can easily be unloaded to free up another $4M. We will be fine.
Unless he scores 60+ points this season, B Schenn's cap hit should go down. Homer should sign him to a two year, $5 million bridge contract similar (but smaller than) the one PK Subban got since Subban is an obviously superior player.

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Take Timonen out, you said he retired and that money was used to resign forwards.
Your snide remarks are cute to me, whether he was unclear or you didnt follow, I will explain.
If we took Pie via offer sheet, he would be on the roster this year along with Timonen. After the upcoming season, Timonen would come off the books while his $$ is used to reup our rfa's.
Simple enough to understand imo

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Your snide remarks are cute to me, whether he was unclear or you didnt follow, I will explain.
If we took Pie via offer sheet, he would be on the roster this year along with Timonen. After the upcoming season, Timonen would come off the books while his $$ is used to reup our rfa's.
Simple enough to understand imo
So you get a 1 year fix, then what? You wouldn't be good enough to win the Cup next season, you'd be without 1st round picks, and no prospects that could fill the hole IMO.

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I love how everyone says the Flyers don't have cap space

Buying out Briere, trading Mezsaros and putting Pronger on LTIR gives us roughly $13m in cap space. Hell, if we buy-out Bryz this summer (which I don't think will happen), we'll have $18.5m in cap space

So please, stop with the "Flyers don't have cap space to do anything" BS

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Offer sheet A.Pie with max contract.

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The only realistic chance we have at Pietrangelo is if he and his agent are demanding too much from the Blues. They might not be comfortable giving him the length or money he is demanding. That really is the only chance the Flyers or any other team has to getting the Blues to trade him. We have the top young roster players(Couts) plus a nice pick(11th overall) and a couple of defender who can help replace the lose of Piety(Coburn/Mez/Grossman). Now I am not saying it happens, but I will not say it doesn't have a chance. Same thing with Weber last year. Never say never.

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