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06-11-2013, 06:23 AM
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No way will Vinny be bought out. Maybe if he was on a team that spends to the cap limit but for a team like the Lightning it's not worth paying him 30M not to pay(basically unless the player is worth less then the amount of money you save by the buyout, then it's pointless and it's easy to assume Vinny is worth well over 2.1M a season for 7 seasons to the Lightning(which would be the amount they save if they buy him out))
I was just doing a fun "where would they go if they were all bought out"

I don't think Lecavalier gets bought out.

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06-11-2013, 06:58 AM
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Isn't Torts rumored for the head coaching job in Dallas? I don't see Richards going back to Dallas if so.

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06-11-2013, 06:59 AM
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Isn't Torts rumored for the head coaching job in Dallas? I don't see Richards going back to Dallas if so.
He's not rumored. Jim Nillis just examining all options. I think Torts is the last guy on Nill's list.

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06-11-2013, 07:00 AM
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This aside, there is chatter atm that Ottawa could be interested in Briere. He is from Gatineau and trains in the off season with Pageau. Likely just reporters connecting the dots rather than anything concrete.

As others have said you can not be bought out while injured, which means Heatley, Ohlund, Savard, Pronger etc. can not be compliance buyouts. If Minnesota wants to buy out Heatley it will have top be after he is fit and it will count against the cap.

Also ... On Briere, is something like this possible/allowed?

Philly trades Briere ($5m over 2 years) for Neuvirth ($5m over 2 years)
Philly buys out Neuvirth for $3.3m
Washington buys out Briere for $3.3m
Briere signs with Philly for a $1.7m over 2 years (and a new NMC)

Philly may need to add to the first trade as an incentive, and of course it may not happen with division rivals (I used Neuvirth because the buyout $$$ are identical) but I don't believe there is a prevailing hockey reason for the Flyers to dump Briere.
Why would Briere waive his NMC to be traded anywhere? He makes more $$ and gets to choose his city if he is bought out. If he is not bought out, he gets paid his full amount and gets to stay near his kids.

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06-11-2013, 07:00 AM
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The original purpose of that contract, or any frontloaded contract for that matter, is that the player retires before the end of the contract when those smaller salary years kick in. Savard's three last years are 1.5, 575k and 575k, after next season's 5.

IMO the same will happen with Pronger in 2015. They both have a valid reason to retire and their teams wouldn't be punished by the new CBA.

edit: Except I just recalled that Pronger's deal is +35, so nvm. He won't retire.
My point was that if Savard is injured, he can simply sit out and collect his money. Boston will place him on LTIR.

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06-11-2013, 07:20 AM
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Just for fun, if those guys were all bought out:

Savard-Retire
Leino-Europe
Montador-Europe
Jones-Nashville
Cole-Carolina
Horcoff-Detroit
Clemmensen-Europe
Richards-Dallas
Briere-Winnipeg
Bryzgalov-Phoenix
Lecavalier-New York
Ohlund-retirement
Komisarek-Anaheim (Norfolk)
Liles-Colorado
Ballard-Boston
Ward-Florida
no horcoff to detroit thankyou very much

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06-11-2013, 07:51 AM
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I really hope Richards comes back to Dallas. He's just what we need, and there won't be pressure on him like in New York. I could easily see him putting up 65-80 points with Benn on his wing and a change of scenery helping him.
We need him in Toronto, he may not be the number 1 center we're looking for but damn he comes close. He would be the perfect replacement for Bozak.

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06-11-2013, 07:55 AM
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No way will Vinny be bought out. Maybe if he was on a team that spends to the cap limit but for a team like the Lightning it's not worth paying him 30M not to pay(basically unless the player is worth less then the amount of money you save by the buyout, then it's pointless and it's easy to assume Vinny is worth well over 2.1M a season for 7 seasons to the Lightning(which would be the amount they save if they buy him out))
I don't think it makes sense for Tampa to buy out Lecavalier.

But Steve Yzerman commented on buy-outs the other day.

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“We all speculate and say this guy is an automatic buyout,” said Tampa GM Steve Yzerman. “But teams don’t share that information; you don’t know their financial situation, what they’re doing with trades, or guys in the minors, what they’re planning to spend.

“I’m very interested in seeing what happens. It could be very interesting, or it could be very anti-climatic.”
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C Vincent Lecavalier, Tampa Bay Lightning.

Yzerman was coy when asked about the Lightning captain, who has seven years left on an 11-year, $85 million deal. The Lightning are not in cap trouble, but about $35 million could see them buy their way out from under this deal. Lecavalier has put his injury troubles behind him and seems to be aging gracefully.
If its a given that you are not going to buyout your captain, don't you say that? Perfectly possible that they are only looking for additions, but it to me seems like a GM who is wondering if the money saved could be better used on someone else (BR) on a "good" contract instead.

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06-11-2013, 08:10 AM
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no horcoff to detroit thankyou very much
Not even for a 1 million dollars?

Horcoff will be the top bottom 6 free agent on the market if he is amnestied.

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06-11-2013, 08:17 AM
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Just for fun, if those guys were all bought out:

Savard-Retire
Leino-Europe
Montador-Europe
Jones-Nashville
Cole-Carolina
Horcoff-Detroit
Clemmensen-Europe
Richards-Dallas
Briere-Winnipeg
Bryzgalov-Phoenix
Lecavalier-New York
Ohlund-retirement
Komisarek-Anaheim (Norfolk)
Liles-Colorado
Ballard-Boston
Ward-Florida
which Jones are you talking about?

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Buffalo isn't buying leino out. 1. He's not healthy and 2. With all the moves likely coming, they'll need his veteran presence and offense. He played well the 5 or so games he was healthy.

And I'd very much expect buffalo to go after briere if he's let go

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06-11-2013, 08:34 AM
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Briere to Ottawa please.

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06-11-2013, 08:39 AM
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If its a given that you are not going to buyout your captain, don't you say that? Perfectly possible that they are only looking for additions, but it to me seems like a GM who is wondering if the money saved could be better used on someone else (BR) on a "good" contract instead.
Question is

1) Are you going to use that capspace(ie spend to the cap max) you save?

and if you answer no

2) Can you sign a player for 2.1M who provides you something more then Vinny? I guess though one can argue it opens up close to 8M dollars to spend if the team has a self imposed cap next season(ie 10M (in actual salary they don't have to pay him) - 2.1M (in how much they would have to pay him for the buyout next season))


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Not even for a 1 million dollars?

Horcoff will be the top bottom 6 free agent on the market if he is amnestied.
LOL Detroit knows their hockey players Horcoff will not be high ion their radar. As I said on the oiler forums, if horcoff is shuch a wonderful bottom 6 player and if the oilers need bottom 6 players why is he being dumped?

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Question is

1) Are you going to use that capspace(ie spend to the cap max) you save?

and if you answer no

2) Can you sign a player for 2.1M who provides you something more then Vinny?
I don't know if -- in this situation -- you really get guidence from those questions. They are not irrelevant, but...

Its 2013 now. Lecavalier is signed to 2020. Does Tampa want a franchise that, for example, in 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020 have 7m of cap space tied up in Vinny?

Look, I am definitely the first to admit that I am not convinced that Tampa will or should buy out Lecavalier. I think he is really important to Stamkos. He is a strong player both ways and helps that team. I personally think the cap will go up. I've thought that for years now, and I've always been right. I don't see any reason for why the cap should stop going up. I also think Yzerman of anyone relize the value of keeping vets around. Stability is extremely important and Yzerman learned that in Detroit. So, yes, I would be suprised if he is bought out.

But, there is one additional perspective to this that isn't covered by your questions. That is if it really could come back and hurt Tampa as long as 5 to 7 years from now to have Vinny signed for 7m per.

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which Jones are you talking about?
David Jones from Colorado

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Not even for a 1 million dollars?

Horcoff will be the top bottom 6 free agent on the market if he is amnestied.
detroit has 850 or so nhl ready or capable bottom six forwards, we dont need another one and bottom six is all horocoff is capable of anymore

detroit would only be interested this summer and signing or trading for a top 6 forward and in particular a top 4 forward otherwise they will stick with who they have

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If Briere is bought out the Sens will definitely be in on him.

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David Jones from Colorado
I see. I was thinking he meant Ryan Jones which made no sense because hes a UFA and we wouldnt want him anyway

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Savard won't retire and give up that money, why would he? He will retire after his deal runs out.
Maybe he wants to try coaching or something, I dunno. Just my gut feeling.

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So you think Savard is going to give back 2.5 million for **** and giggles?

See no reason why Savard should ever want to retire before his contract expires, especially given where and how his injury took place. Would collect the entirety of that contract if I was him.

With LTIR he isn't really hurting the team, why file papers?

It would be one thing if he was Drury or Rafalski that needed to play to earn it, but he doesn't and I don't foresee him retiring until that deal completely expires.
Maybe he sits out that 1.5 year too, maybe.

But those two 575k years? I seriously doubt it. When he retires, if not Boston, then some other team will hire him at a front office (scout, ass. coach at minors, involved in developing young players etc.) position where he'll earn something close to that amount of money.

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My point was that if Savard is injured, he can simply sit out and collect his money. Boston will place him on LTIR.
Yes, I am aware of the LTIR and how it works.

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LOL Detroit knows their hockey players Horcoff will not be high ion their radar. As I said on the oiler forums, if horcoff is shuch a wonderful bottom 6 player and if the oilers need bottom 6 players why is he being dumped?
because he makes 5,5m?

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If Briere is bought out the Sens will definitely be in on him.
Can't we save him being bought out (if that's what he wants) and save the Flyers paying out some $$ by just acquiring him? 6.5 million cap hit means NOTHING to Ottawa as his actual dollar salary is 2.5 per year, which is also affordable.

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You could, but Briere would lose out on millions of dollars by agreeing to be traded.

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I really don't think Buffalo buys out Leino, at least not this year. If we trade Vanek and buy him out, our forward group is a hot mess. Our top 6 by necessity would have 2-3 rookies in it to start the year, and would just get worse when injuries hit. Also, Leino actually played really well in the few games he was healthy for this season. I'd be interested to see if he could rebound with a full year under Rolston.

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Not even for a 1 million dollars?

Horcoff will be the top bottom 6 free agent on the market if he is amnestied.
Believe me Detroit is well set at the bottom 6, Detroit most possibly has just about the best bottom 6 in the league. With Nyquist Helm and Tatar on the 3rd line that would be the fastest 3rd line in the entire NHL why would Detroit have any interest in a 34 year old Horcoff Detroits trying to get younger not older. Not saying that Horcoff may not still wind up in Detroit, I would much rather have Ales Hemsky to replace Valtteri Filppula If I had my choice between the 2 and Hemsky is 5 years younger then Horcoff.

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