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Predators re-sign Roman Josi (7 years, $4M cap hit)

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06-11-2013, 05:33 PM
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A lot of money for someone that hasn't really done much.
Ryan $uter's rookie year
71 GP 1 G 15 A 16P
his 2nd Year
82 GP 8 G 16 A 24 P


Roman Josi's Rookie year
52 GP 5 G 11 A 16 P
2nd year
48 GP 5 G 13 A 18 P
Add to that $uter played with by far better offensive talents around him in his first 2 years
Roman Empire also was named MVP and best Defensmen of the world championships this year.

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06-11-2013, 07:17 PM
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Thats a good contract.

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06-11-2013, 10:50 PM
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Ryan $uter's rookie year
71 GP 1 G 15 A 16P
his 2nd Year
82 GP 8 G 16 A 24 P


Roman Josi's Rookie year
52 GP 5 G 11 A 16 P
2nd year
48 GP 5 G 13 A 18 P
Add to that $uter played with by far better offensive talents around him in his first 2 years
Roman Empire also was named MVP and best Defensmen of the world championships this year.
You keep mentioning the world championship thing, Daniel Tjarnqvist and Petteri Nummelin also won that award. Redden just before he had his meltdown won it too,

Seven years doesn't seem like a long time for a good player but if things go bad early it can seem like an eternity, that term for a guy that's not even a lower tier star is not smart.

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06-11-2013, 11:28 PM
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You keep mentioning the world championship thing, Daniel Tjarnqvist and Petteri Nummelin also won that award. Redden just before he had his meltdown won it too,
None of those players have won MVP

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You keep mentioning the world championship thing, Daniel Tjarnqvist and Petteri Nummelin also won that award. Redden just before he had his meltdown won it too,

Seven years doesn't seem like a long time for a good player but if things go bad early it can seem like an eternity, that term for a guy that's not even a lower tier star is not smart.
If 8 pages worth of (mostly) people, many of whom aren't primarily Predators fans, are screaming this is a phenomenal win for us and many claiming highway robbery, I doubt there's little that would convince you otherwise. Yet, I felt the need to chime and remind you that there are indeed 8 pages worth of people mostly proclaiming this is a huge win for our franchise and how we borderline stole 3-4 years from a kid who could very likely net a king's ransom the next time he does hit free agency.

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06-12-2013, 05:25 AM
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You keep mentioning the world championship thing, Daniel Tjarnqvist and Petteri Nummelin also won that award. Redden just before he had his meltdown won it too,

Seven years doesn't seem like a long time for a good player but if things go bad early it can seem like an eternity, that term for a guy that's not even a lower tier star is not smart.
At least make sure your arguments are ture.. 4 mill is 2nd pairing money and he is already there. all shown here is you know nothing of josi.. To start

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You keep mentioning the world championship thing, Daniel Tjarnqvist and Petteri Nummelin also won that award. Redden just before he had his meltdown won it too,

Seven years doesn't seem like a long time for a good player but if things go bad early it can seem like an eternity, that term for a guy that's not even a lower tier star is not smart.
Yet you totally ignore the statistical comparison to $uter.

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You keep mentioning the world championship thing, Daniel Tjarnqvist and Petteri Nummelin also won that award. Redden just before he had his meltdown won it too,

Seven years doesn't seem like a long time for a good player but if things go bad early it can seem like an eternity, that term for a guy that's not even a lower tier star is not smart.
You can have a look at the award winners of every IIHF World Championship here. While the average WC doesn't have the star power of the Olympic games, the awards still aren't won by nobodies. I would say Josi is in pretty good company with MVP-winners like prime-Selänne, Joe Thornton or Malkin to name a few.

But as Josi in an interview said, his performance at the WC had little to no impact on the contract negotiations. The offer from Nashville was set in the most important parts at the time of the quarterfinals.

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At least make sure your arguments are ture.. 4 mill is 2nd pairing money and he is already there. all shown here is you know nothing of josi.. To start
4 mill is 2nd pairing money, when you are 30 years old. Not playing as a 23 year old.

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If Josi plays at this level for the rest of his career, it's a good contract. If he improves, it'll be a bargain.

The only problem that may arise is if Josi's game skyrockets as high as it can go, he may become upset in a few years that he is signed so cheaply, which could negatively affect his game although he'd only have himself to blame. I don't think that will happen though. That stuff is more prevalent in basketball and football, not hockey.

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If Josi plays at this level for the rest of his career, it's a good contract. If he improves, it'll be a bargain.

The only problem that may arise is if Josi's game skyrockets as high as it can go, he may become upset in a few years that he is signed so cheaply, which could negatively affect his game although he'd only have himself to blame. I don't think that will happen though. That stuff is more prevalent in basketball and football, not hockey.
Josi said himself he signed this deal for peace of mind. he has an injury history and now he knows he is set for life regardless of what happens

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Always great when the Preds lock up their mediocre players to huge term. Legwand, Erat, horny, etc...can't wait for the 8 year Craig Smith deal and the 5 year Brandon Yip extension. Giving huge term to players hoping they'll become good because players who are actually good won't sign there....great business model!

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You keep mentioning the world championship thing, Daniel Tjarnqvist and Petteri Nummelin also won that award. Redden just before he had his meltdown won it too,

Seven years doesn't seem like a long time for a good player but if things go bad early it can seem like an eternity, that term for a guy that's not even a lower tier star is not smart.
talking out your butt about a player you obviously know bupkus about is not smart

letting a promising young player get to UFA status and then either losing him or having to sign him to a bank breaking deal in 4 year when you're still paying Weber a gazillion dollars isnt smart


is it a gamble on Poiles part? yes, but you have to realize not signing him long term is also a gamble. Most everyone here believes poile made the smarter gamble

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Always great when the Preds lock up their mediocre players to huge term. Legwand, Erat, horny, etc...can't wait for the 8 year Craig Smith deal and the 5 year Brandon Yip extension. Giving huge term to players hoping they'll become good because players who are actually good won't sign there....great business model!
Hey if it gets us into the playoffs almost every year.. Least there's that.. ^_-

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If 8 pages worth of (mostly) people, many of whom aren't primarily Predators fans, are screaming this is a phenomenal win for us and many claiming highway robbery, I doubt there's little that would convince you otherwise. Yet, I felt the need to chime and remind you that there are indeed 8 pages worth of people mostly proclaiming this is a huge win for our franchise and how we borderline stole 3-4 years from a kid who could very likely net a king's ransom the next time he does hit free agency.
Highway robbery for josi and his agent?

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Always great when the Preds lock up their mediocre players to huge term. Legwand, Erat, horny, etc...can't wait for the 8 year Craig Smith deal and the 5 year Brandon Yip extension. Giving huge term to players hoping they'll become good because players who are actually good won't sign there....great business model!


so its better to be like the rangers or the Flyers and throw huge money at supposed stars who for some reason crap out when they get there and then end up getting bought out??

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Hey if it gets us into the playoffs almost every year.. Least there's that.. ^_-
True. You do have that and Trotz's accountability going for you.

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so its better to be like the rangers or the Flyers and throw huge money at supposed stars who for some reason crap out when they get there and then end up getting bought out??
No.

Big term deals are great if you are locking up franchise players or elite talent. Crosby, doughty, kopitar, getzlaf, etc.

Preds lock up guys that aren't worth it for no reason and then get stuck with them which hampers their flexibility.

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Josi said himself he signed this deal for peace of mind. he has an injury history and now he knows he is set for life regardless of what happens
Smart move for a young kid. I hope he keeps his head on straight.

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No.

Big term deals are great if you are locking up franchise players or elite talent. Crosby, doughty, kopitar, getzlaf, etc.

Preds lock up guys that aren't worth it for no reason and then get stuck with them which hampers their flexibility.
name one we "got stuck" with...


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No.

Big term deals are great if you are locking up franchise players or elite talent. Crosby, doughty, kopitar, getzlaf, etc.

Preds lock up guys that aren't worth it for no reason and then get stuck with them which hampers their flexibility.
Josi is 23 and is already a top pairing defenseman.

Don't confuse your apparent ignorance to the player with mediocrity.

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Josi is 23 and is already a top pairing defenseman.

Don't confuse your apparent ignorance to the player with mediocrity.
Playing on the top pair on a bad team doesn't make him a top pairing defenseman. That would be like me saying whoever was centering the blue jackets first line was a real first line center

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Playing on the top pair on a bad team doesn't make him a top pairing defenseman. That would be like me saying whoever was centering the blue jackets first line was a real first line center
That bad team was 3rd in the west in points after the first 25 games and posted 5 shutouts. That was before 6-8 forwards went down and we became an AHL team up front.

And I'd take the Weber-Josi pairing over most defensive pairings in the league.

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Playing on the top pair on a bad team doesn't make him a top pairing defenseman. That would be like me saying whoever was centering the blue jackets first line was a real first line center
Josi is a top pairing defenseman. At 23. You may not realize that, but again...that's your issue and tells me everything I need to know.

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Playing on the top pair on a bad team doesn't make him a top pairing defenseman. That would be like me saying whoever was centering the blue jackets first line was a real first line center
So I guess Stamkos isn't a real 1st line center because he plays on a bad Lightning team.

You can be a good player and be on a bad team.

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