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06-18-2013, 10:54 AM
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Just be forewarned then guys... that what you are advocating is essentially not trying to "outsmart" the other teams/GMs/scouts. If they think that Lazar is BPA at 7, you are suggesting they take him... not trade down and gain assets in the process.

Be prepared for a backlash if anyone, other than the consensus pick at #7, is actually the oilers BPA. Keep in mind all of these lists are aggregates. The oil are going to go based on what MacGregor and the others have argued/relented/consented upon, not Redline.
if Lazar is the BPA at 7 then the oilers staff need to be fired. there is a clear top 7 in this draft, the oilers should be saying internally that we are going to take whomever is left of the top 7 since we pick 7. if someone reaches and takes nurse etc earlier than expected then you have a choice to make.

if the draft goes jones- mackinnon- drouin-barkov-nichuskin-monahan then the oiler have to take Lindholm. its crazy not to.

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06-18-2013, 11:08 AM
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Thank you for posting that IMO unless the oilers trade down to draft 15-20th then we do not take Lazar. If we pick at 7th with Mac, Jones, Droiun, Barkov, Monahan already gone then we have to pick Lindholm if he's still available of course

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06-18-2013, 11:17 AM
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if we had the 8th pick i would be fine for them taking Lazar if they felt he was the BPA of the remaining players. But in a draft where you have a top 7 pick and there is a consensus top 7. you just dont trade out unless someone gives you something way more valuable than a couple higher draft picks (im talking roster player).

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06-18-2013, 11:21 AM
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it is baffling to me that posters still think otherwise really. no one knows what we are going to need in 3 years. no one does. RNH could demand a trade and gagner could get hurt. then we are sitting there with a bunch of 3rd 4th C's trying to plug #1 holes because we opted to trade down and take horvat instead of Lindholm @7.

Drafting should be BPA, always BPA, then BPA, then BPA if you really really need a goalie BPA goalie.
Based on the last seven or eight years, I would say we need a center, which we have sorely needed that entire time, and which we will continue to need if it is not addressed.

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06-18-2013, 11:33 AM
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Just be forewarned then guys... that what you are advocating is essentially not trying to "outsmart" the other teams/GMs/scouts. If they think that Lazar is BPA at 7, you are suggesting they take him... not trade down and gain assets in the process.

Be prepared for a backlash if anyone, other than the consensus pick at #7, is actually the oilers BPA. Keep in mind all of these lists are aggregates. The oil are going to go based on what MacGregor and the others have argued/relented/consented upon, not Redline.
If we take Nichushkin, there will be backlash.

If we take Lazar, there will be backlash.

If Lindholm and Monahan are both on the board, when we take one, there will be backlash from the people who wanted the other.

If we trade up for Lindholm/Monahan, there will be backlash on how much we gave up.

If we trade back, there will be all kinds of backlash as well.

I would be prepared for backlash no matter what the outcome.

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06-18-2013, 11:37 AM
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But if Lazar wasn't an Oil King then would the Oilers even consider him at #7? I"m guessing they probably wouldn't but of course I don't know

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06-18-2013, 11:38 AM
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BPA at 7, regardless of position. If the Oilers truly love Lazar to think he is their best bet then you don't get cute and trade down. You just take him. It would be idiotic for them to rate him that high in my opinion but trading down just because you don't want to be perceived as reaching for a player is not a sound strategy.

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Just confirmed that Elias Lindholm will join @JasonGregor today & Alexander Barkov will join the show Thursday. #nhldraft

Looking forward to the follow up articles as well.

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06-18-2013, 11:46 AM
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Matthew Iwanyk ‏@matthewiwanyk 6m
Just confirmed that Elias Lindholm will join @JasonGregor today & Alexander Barkov will join the show Thursday. #nhldraft

Looking forward to the follow up articles as well.
Thanks for the tip

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06-18-2013, 11:48 AM
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Based on the last seven or eight years, I would say we need a center, which we have sorely needed that entire time, and which we will continue to need if it is not addressed.
Agreed. Either a center or defenceman. We just simply don't need anymore wingers. It doesn't work with our cap structure.

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06-18-2013, 11:56 AM
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Agreed. Either a center or defenceman. We just simply don't need anymore wingers. It doesn't work with our cap structure.
I think we've actually done a pretty good job of stocking the cupboards when it comes to D.

Our organisational center depth is horrible though.

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Agreed. Either a center or defenceman. We just simply don't need anymore wingers. It doesn't work with our cap structure.
That would be ideal, but if the draft goes Jones, MacKinnon, Drouin, Barkov, Monahan, Lindholm; Nichushkin is too good to pass on there.

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Agreed. Either a center or defenceman. We just simply don't need anymore wingers. It doesn't work with our cap structure.
This is how you end up with MAP and JF Jaques rather than Parise.

Take the BPA and then trade a talented player with value to fill in the gaps if you are overloaded.

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06-18-2013, 12:23 PM
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This is how you end up with MAP and JF Jaques rather than Parise.

Take the BPA and then trade a talented player with value to fill in the gaps if you are overloaded.
lol exactly, why is this so hard to understand to some people?



for arguements sake lets say the draft goes

Jones - Mackinnon - Barkov - Mohahan - Lindholm - Nichuskhin and our pick come up and drouin is on the board...........do you walk away and say we'll take Horvat because as an organization we need a C more than we need a winger who is significantly better than, and holds a lot more trade value than the C

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06-18-2013, 12:25 PM
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the way the draft is projecting we will have the left over of lindholm or monahan, we should take that player. no questions asked.

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06-18-2013, 12:26 PM
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lol exactly, why is this so hard to understand to some people?



for arguements sake lets say the draft goes

Jones - Mackinnon - Barkov - Mohahan - Lindholm - Nichuskhin and our pick come up and drouin is on the board...........do you walk away and say we'll take Horvat because as an organization we need a C more than we need a winger who is significantly better than, and holds a lot more trade value than the C
Hall-Gagner-Yakupov
Drouin-RNH-Eberle

Droooooool.............

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06-18-2013, 12:28 PM
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lol exactly, why is this so hard to understand to some people?



for arguements sake lets say the draft goes

Jones - Mackinnon - Barkov - Mohahan - Lindholm - Nichuskhin and our pick come up and drouin is on the board...........do you walk away and say we'll take Horvat because as an organization we need a C more than we need a winger who is significantly better than, and holds a lot more trade value than the C
If Drouin fell to 7, I think they'd pretty much have to make a trade. Maybe find somebody in the 8-12 range who's salivating over the chance to get him. Or if they did draft him, they'd be looking at trading one of the kids, probably Eberle, to fill holes.

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06-18-2013, 12:29 PM
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This is how you end up with MAP and JF Jaques rather than Parise.

Take the BPA and then trade a talented player with value to fill in the gaps if you are overloaded.
You realize that Getzlaf and Kesler were both taken right after Pouliot right? The Oilers didn't mess up by taking a center they messed up by taking the wrong center.

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Zadorov's agent told Russian press that Craig MacTavish was particularly interested in having additional interview with Zadorov.

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06-18-2013, 12:40 PM
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Zadorov's agent told Russian press that Craig MacTavish was particularly interested in having additional interview with Zadorov.
Wonder if that means we are trading down.

Let the speculation begin.

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06-18-2013, 12:42 PM
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Hall-Gagner-Yakupov
Drouin-RNH-Eberle

Droooooool.............
The only people drooling will be the other teams in our division who will eat those lines for breakfast. Joe Thornton might come back for seconds. Also a little off topic but why Gags on 1st line instead of Nuge? I like Gags, but I think we all know who's better. Seen a lot of mock lines with RNH in the 2c spot...

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Zadorov's agent told Russian press that Craig MacTavish was particularly interested in having additional interview with Zadorov.
Hmm interesting. I don't know much about the guy other than he is a huge defenseman. ISS has him ranked 8th in the draft

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You realize that Getzlaf and Kesler were both taken right after Pouliot right? The Oilers didn't mess up by taking a center they messed up by taking the wrong center.
again they did not take BPA, they didnt take BPA originally and traded the pick because they didnt want another "small" C, then they didnt take the BPA and took a flyer on Pouliot instead. BPA but but this guy....BPA........this guy was top.......BPA BPA BPA BPA

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You realize that Getzlaf and Kesler were both taken right after Pouliot right? The Oilers didn't mess up by taking a center they messed up by taking the wrong center.
No they messed up by not taking Parise who fell square into their lap. The fact that the other two players exceeded expectations doesn't make what the oilers did right. Luckily for the Oilers the need for a centre may meet the players that are there for them.

In the long run drafting for need is a poor strat, especially in hockey with the ages of the kids drafted. 5 or 6 years later when the winger you passed on is a star and the guy you drafted positionally is a 2nd liner it never looks good.

Now it can always work out just fine but it's a mistake for teams to narrow a gap between potential prospects due to need.

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Zadorov's agent told Russian press that Craig MacTavish was particularly interested in having additional interview with Zadorov.
Nothing wrong with that. The guy hits like a truck. That said IMO we need a center at the top of this draft in a big way

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