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Sabres Attempting To Acquire The First Overall Pick

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06-14-2013, 09:31 AM
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This actually makes the most sense. I wouldn't mind drafting a guy like Barkov...I'm pretty sure he will be as good as Mack. Only problem dropping to top-4...we would need a D asset since there's no other players like Jones in this draft and I don't really like Nurse.
Let's say (hypothetically) the Sabres find a way to acquire the 4th overall using the 8th and players/prospects. Would something using only picks (ie 4th + 16th) tempt Colorado? Or would they rather have players coming back (ie 4th + Sekera or a D prospect)?

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06-14-2013, 09:33 AM
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Why pass up on Jones?
They won't. Well that is unless they get an insane offet they can't refuse.

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06-14-2013, 09:33 AM
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Let's say (hypothetically) the Sabres find a way to acquire the 4th overall using the 8th and players/prospects. Would something using only picks (ie 4th + 16th) tempt Colorado? Or would they rather have players coming back (ie 4th + Sekera or a D prospect)?
It just depends which player you are talking about. I would certainly be interested though since I see a top-4 elite player in this draft.

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06-14-2013, 09:41 AM
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Any proposal involving Miller and not involving pick(s) come back will be ignored by the majority of the Avs fanbase.

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This actually makes the most sense. I wouldn't mind drafting a guy like Barkov...I'm pretty sure he will be as good as Mack. Only problem dropping to top-4...we would need a D asset since there's no other players like Jones in this draft and I don't really like Nurse.
I suspect the Avs would like to still take Jones, so the pick would likely have to be at 2 or 3 at worst. Regier's going to have his work cut out for him if he's serious about making this sort of splash to reshape the face of the franchise.

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They won't. Well that is unless they get an insane offet they can't refuse.
That is what Roy said and teams are better overpay a lot unless they want it. The perfect trade partner for the Avs would be Florida though.

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Let's say (hypothetically) the Sabres find a way to acquire the 4th overall using the 8th and players/prospects. Would something using only picks (ie 4th + 16th) tempt Colorado? Or would they rather have players coming back (ie 4th + Sekera or a D prospect)?
If Roy & co. Are as enamored wih barkov as the reports suggest, it wouldn't surprise me to see them move to 4 with just the 16 coming in return. Barkov at 4. Erne at 16. That's a pretty good first round.

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06-14-2013, 10:00 AM
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I suspect the Avs would like to still take Jones, so the pick would likely have to be at 2 or 3 at worst. Regier's going to have his work cut out for him if he's serious about making this sort of splash to reshape the face of the franchise.
This whole scenario is really complicated, I'm sure the Avs rate Jones as the BPA in the draft and that's he the guy they want, but they also like Barkov according to reports. I really don't see a scenario in which the Avs get Jones unless it's only the Panthers picking in front of them.

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This whole scenario is really complicated, I'm sure the Avs rate Jones as the BPA in the draft and that's he the guy they want, but they also like Barkov according to reports. I really don't see a scenario in which the Avs get Jones unless it's only the Panthers picking in front of them.
If Buffalo targets the Panthers' pick instead of say Nashville's, then it becomes a case of each team getting who they want with a 1-2 swap if that can be worked out. Av's gain value by sliding down a spot, Buffalo gets the player they seem to want in MacKinnon (they're high on Barkov as well), and Florida could jumpstart their build with someone like Hodgson next to Huberdeau.

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06-14-2013, 12:20 PM
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Would Buffalo fans be interested in a package with Vanek and Stastny being the main pieces involved?

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06-14-2013, 12:21 PM
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I think everybody is attempting to get that first overall pick

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06-14-2013, 12:39 PM
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We aren't going from 1st overall to no first round picks. The 8th and 16th would need to be coming back.

I know vanek is a big valuable piece, but he's probably going to get paid double what stastny gets. I doubt his production will be double.
Why care about first round picks when you are getting NHL ready talent. Roy IMO would rather have Grigorenko than the 8th overall pick..

Vanek for Statsny swap was an afterthought and can be a separate deal.
Myers fills the hole on D and Grigorenko is the difference between Jones and Myers.

If COL prefers picks then downgrade Myers to Sekera and adding a 1st could be fair.

BUF gets 1st and keeps 8th and 16th

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Would Buffalo fans be interested in a package with Vanek and Stastny being the main pieces involved?
No. Stastny doesn't have much appeal to Buffalo as anything other than a stopgap. Vanek, if moved, needs to return pieces that help us rebuild.

ETA: Plus, frankly, I don't really think he's an upgrade offensively on the young centers we have, and if we're going to bring in a center to take defensive minutes, there's no reason to bring in someone that expensive/who would be miscast in that role anyway.


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Would Buffalo fans be interested in a package with Vanek and Stastny being the main pieces involved?
Sure. We'll add 8 and 16 and you can add 1. Deal? Stastny hold very little value with his salary/production ratio and Vanek is one of the best scorers in the game.

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No. Stastny doesn't have much appeal to Buffalo as anything other than a stopgap. Vanek, if moved, needs to return pieces that help us rebuild.
Adding Stastny only makes sense if Vanek remains with Sabres - with the premise being that having a top winger would revive Stastny's game and likewise giving Vanek a top center would help his game and might motivate him to re-sign in Buffalo.

Without Vanek, the Sabres don't have any real goal-scoring wingers and the reduced production that creeped into Stastny's game in recent years playing with less-talented wingers would only continue in Buffalo.

Stastny is a worthwhile "bridge" player to buy time with while Grigorenko and Hodgson develop IMO. He can do a good job on the # 1 line and take some pressure off the two young centers for the next 1-2 years.


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Why care about first round picks when you are getting NHL ready talent. Roy IMO would rather have Grigorenko than the 8th overall pick..

Vanek for Statsny swap was an afterthought and can be a separate deal.
Myers fills the hole on D and Grigorenko is the difference between Jones and Myers.

If COL prefers picks then downgrade Myers to Sekera and adding a 1st could be fair.

BUF gets 1st and keeps 8th and 16th
Because we'd want both. Grigs and Myers alone won't do it.

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06-14-2013, 03:04 PM
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At this point, as a Sabres fan. I'd rather just bomb the next 2 years, get lucky, and select Connor McDavid.

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Too bad the Sabres don't have Frederick Roy under contract...that would put them over the top!

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I think it would have to be 7, 16, Myers, and another roster player, but it looks like most players are on expiring contracts so that may complicate things. But it starts with 7, 16, and Myers. It will be an overpayment, but you don't get the #1 pick in the draft without overpaying.

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At this point, as a Sabres fan. I'd rather just bomb the next 2 years, get lucky, and select Connor McDavid.
Too bad, the Flames have that one in the bag.

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06-14-2013, 03:11 PM
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What about:

Buffalo

Cody Hodgson and #8

for

Nashville

#4

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Buffalo

#4, #16 and Andrej Sekera

for

Colorado

#1

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Nashville gets Hodgson plus one of Monahan/Lindholm/Nurse/Ristolainen/Nichuskin, etc

Colorado gets Barkov, BPA at #16 and get a cheap, young top 4 dman in Sekera.

Buffalo gets MacKinnon


Thoughts?

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Who is Simeon?

Not sure who that is but if he's on my team, lets trade him

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Because we'd want both. Grigs and Myers alone won't do it.
Grig = Has a lot of Wolsky in him. He has great talent, great tool box but with lacks passion. Duchene and Ror are easily in front of him and you do not want that kind of player on your 3rd line.

Myers = A big financial risk, at 5.5 until 2019. So he needs to play a lot better than what he showed in the last 2 years.

Myers = RD ... we already have Johnson, Barrie and Elliot

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What about:

Buffalo

Cody Hodgson and #8

for

Nashville

#4

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Buffalo

#4, #16 and Andrej Sekera

for

Colorado

#1

---
Nashville gets Hodgson plus one of Monahan/Lindholm/Nurse/Ristolainen/Nichuskin, etc

Colorado gets Barkov, BPA at #16 and get a cheap, young top 4 dman in Sekera.

Buffalo gets MacKinnon


Thoughts?
Not enough for Colorado to give up #1. Maybe if Grigorenko was added.

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Not enough for Colorado to give up #1. Maybe if Grigorenko was added.
Seriously? At 4, they're still getting an elite prospect (likely Barkov), at 16 they're getting a good prospect, and Sekera would provide immediate help to their D. If anything, that seems like an overpayment.

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