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Draft Pick Swap -CAR, CLB, NJ

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06-23-2013, 06:30 PM
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Draft Pick Swap -CAR, CLB, NJ

Mod can move this to the trade board, if that's a better place for it.

Who says no?

Colombus gives up #14, #27, #105 (4th rounder) for NJ #9 and #39.
Colombus flips #9 and their #44 for Carolina's #5.

Columbus gives up: #14, #27, #44, #105
Columbus gets: #5, #39

NJ gives up: #9, #44
NJ gets: #14, #27, #105

Carolina gives up: #5
Carolina gets: #9, #44

Biggest issue I have is who is Columbus targeting with #5? Would make sense to take Nichushkin if they're not afraid of a Zherdev/Filatov situation.

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06-23-2013, 06:34 PM
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Not even close from a Carolina perspective.

Canes are likely just as easy to get 7th + 37th or 8th + 38th or an even better deal than that.

Not worth the 44th to move down to 9th.

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06-23-2013, 06:39 PM
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Not even close from a Carolina perspective.

Canes are likely just as easy to get 7th + 37th or 8th + 38th or an even better deal than that.

Not worth the 44th to move down to 9th.
A top 5 pick hasn't been traded in a few years, but in 08, Toronto moved from 7 to 5 in exchange for the 60th pick + future 3rd rounder.

What kind of 2014 draft pick would you look for to be added?

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06-23-2013, 06:41 PM
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Also, going back a little further, in 2004 Carolina moved up from 8 to 4 in exchange for a the 59th overall.

I don't think the value of #9 + #44 is that far off based on the last two instances of a top 5 pick being traded. I wouldn't say it's "not even close."

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A top 5 pick hasn't been traded in a few years, but in 08, Toronto moved from 7 to 5 in exchange for the 60th pick + future 3rd rounder.
Actually the deal was the Islanders had the choice of the 60th pick in 2008 and a 2009 3rd rounder or the 68th pick in 2008 and a 2009 2nd rounder. They went with the later option

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Actually the deal was the Islanders had the choice of the 60th pick in 2008 and a 2009 3rd rounder or the 68th pick in 2008 and a 2009 2nd rounder. They went with the later option
Semantics, really. Point is it was an early 3rd rounder + a future pick to move up from 7 to 5.

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Semantics, really. Point is it was an early 3rd rounder + a future pick to move up from 7 to 5.
Given it was the leafs trading the pick, good chance that future pick would end up top 10(and it did at 37th)

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06-23-2013, 06:48 PM
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All about talent available and unfortunately for this deal the large talent drop off is at 7-8. NJs pick is where the picks start getting muddy, I'd argue 9-15 could easily be a toss up.

Canes GM said he would move back a few spots for a current or potential top-4 D. That is the type of overpayment they would like. By that comparison, an early second is a steal.


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Semantics, really. Point is it was an early 3rd rounder + a future pick to move up from 7 to 5.
And that was probably the best offer they had in those years. This fanbases from Buffalo, Dallas, Calgary, and Edmonton have been trying to score a higher pick and the 5th is the most often targeted since GMJM publicy said there was a chance of trading it. Granted, fanbases are not reliable indicators for potential trades in the real world, but Calgary, Edmonton, and Buffalo all are lacking in the franchise center department so it makes sense for them to target the fifth pick.

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Not even close from a Carolina perspective.

Canes are likely just as easy to get 7th + 37th or 8th + 38th or an even better deal than that.

Not worth the 44th to move down to 9th.
I agree. Do you think 9th + 39th + 44th would be enough for Carolina to drop? I still think they'd rather deal with the Oilers and only move down to 7.

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From a Columbus perspective, it is an interesting proposal. Problem is that #5 is in kind of weird spot this year - most people assume that Nichushkin will be the BPA at 5. I'll admit, after the whole Filatov mess, I am nervous about a prospect who says he'll only come to North America if it's with the NHL.

That said, I'm leaning towards yes. We'd have picks at 5, 19 and 39 in the first 2 rounds instead of 14, 19, 27 and 44. Seems like a pretty good deal even if we used the #5 on someone other than Nichushkin.

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I'd rather keep our (Columbus) picks.

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Mod can move this to the trade board, if that's a better place for it.

Who says no?

Colombus gives up #14, #27, #105 (4th rounder) for NJ #9 and #39.
Colombus flips #9 and their #44 for Carolina's #5.

Columbus gives up: #14, #27, #44, #105
Columbus gets: #5, #39

NJ gives up: #9, #44
NJ gets: #14, #27, #105

Carolina gives up: #5
Carolina gets: #9, #44

Biggest issue I have is who is Columbus targeting with #5? Would make sense to take Nichushkin if they're not afraid of a Zherdev/Filatov situation.

This isnt a vacuum......

Other teams would out bid.....

Carolina getting 44 to fall 4 spots....buffalo counters and offers 38 and 8...for the 5th....buffalo wins.

in terms of the NJ trade.....


NJ would rather take a 2014 1st over the 27th pick.

TO NJ: 14, 27, 105
TO CBS: 9, 44

NJ instead would counter 14 + 2014 1st for 9 and 44.

NJ needs to forfeit their 2014 1st round pick.

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Also, going back a little further, in 2004 Carolina moved up from 8 to 4 in exchange for a the 59th overall.

I don't think the value of #9 + #44 is that far off based on the last two instances of a top 5 pick being traded. I wouldn't say it's "not even close."
in most drafts a 2nd is good enough to move up 3 or 4 spots....not this draft....its considered deep up top and many teams bidding will drive up the price.

the top 6 spots are highly sought after.

Both Edmonton and Buffalo would be happy to outbid the offer.

With Carolina what they actually do need is an NHL Dman who can come in and play next year who is a top 4 dman.

http://myslu.stlawu.edu/~msch/sports..._NHL_Draft.pdf

On page 7 of this article shows a draft value chart....moving from 9th to 5th would ask for a high 2nd.

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in terms of the NJ trade.....


NJ would rather take a 2014 1st over the 27th pick.

TO NJ: 14, 27, 105
TO CBS: 9, 44

NJ instead would counter 14 + 2014 1st for 9 and 44.

NJ needs to forfeit their 2014 1st round pick.
As a Devils fan, I know. The basis for the trade, although I didn't explain it, was for the Devils to trade down with the intention of landing two first rounders. There are 7 top players in this draft, and NJ misses out on one of them. I'd say the next cutoff is around the 30 or 35 mark. Again, NJ just misses out of one.

So the point of this three team proposal was for the Devils to walk away with 2 players in that 9-30 range while picking up a depth pick. Carolina walks away with a 2nd rounder while trading down to get a D-man they may target, but not reach for at #5. Columbus does it to land Nichushkin, who could be a game breaker.

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http://myslu.stlawu.edu/~msch/sports..._NHL_Draft.pdf

On page 7 of this article shows a draft value chart....moving from 9th to 5th would ask for a high 2nd.
I'm somewhat confused at this chart. Never seen one before. Do you add values together to prove fair value? If so, #9 + #44 (596 + 196 = 792) has a combined value higher than #5 (741.)

If I'm interpreting these numbers incorrectly, feel free to explain.

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JR has already stated he's not trading the fifth for just picks, he wants a top 4 dman in the deal, and stay in the top 10.

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if i'm nj, only way i'm trading down is if i'm getting a 2nd first i think i can get fucale with, i'm getting a pick for 2014, or i'm getting a young forward. i don't think the 27th is any of those things, so i'm inclined to say no.
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JR has already stated he's not trading the fifth for just picks, he wants a top 4 dman in the deal, and stay in the top 10.
mark fayne and the 9th overall?

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no thanks from Columbus...

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I think the Devils are better off picking in the top ten than trading out of it. Just my opinion of course but I think we have enough 2nd-3rd liners and we need some potential first line help.

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looks fair to me

I'd do it from the Devils side

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