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06-20-2013, 05:46 AM
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$125K for a Criminal Justice degree. Now I am in Social Work. I win (lose)
I'm engaged to a Doctor. 450,000 for Undergrad, Masters, and Med School. School prices in this country are out of control.

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06-20-2013, 06:42 AM
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They should also explain the various skilled trades as well as other professions that don't require a college degree. College isn't for everyone. Many find that out after wasting a few years and thousands of dollars. Also the financial advantages of junior college as you start you college life should be explained as well.

Too many folks just go to a four year college because ... well... thats what you do after high school.
Absolutely.

It's a very tricky thing when one of the largest financial decisions you'll ever make comes at a time when you both lack perspective and think you're invincible.

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06-20-2013, 07:06 AM
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Completely agree with all stated.

Even though I was a bright kid and graduated top of my class, I started college at a private overpriced institution as a math major because I didn't really know my options. In fact, I didn't know much about engineering or accounting. (I really though accountants were glorified secretaries!)

During my first year at college, I get my shiz together, explored my options, transferred to UB and got into their accounting/finance program and haven't looked back since.

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06-20-2013, 08:11 AM
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I feel the biggest failings of my high school were (for me):
English classes over-focused on classic literature
English classes over-focused on consuming creative works rather than producing them
Worthless history classes
Failure to give appreciation for sheer variety of possible careers
No AP Earth Science class (we had AP bio, chem, and physics)
You, sir, just made an enemy for life.

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06-20-2013, 08:39 AM
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Absolutely.

It's a very tricky thing when one of the largest financial decisions you'll ever make comes at a time when you both lack perspective and think you're invincible.
Well stated.

No college for me = no debt!

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06-20-2013, 09:05 AM
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Completely agree with all stated.

Even though I was a bright kid and graduated top of my class, I started college at a private overpriced institution as a math major because I didn't really know my options. In fact, I didn't know much about engineering or accounting. (I really though accountants were glorified secretaries!)

During my first year at college, I get my shiz together, explored my options, transferred to UB and got into their accounting/finance program and haven't looked back since.
I was the same way, as the kids in high school that took accounting / business math weren't exactly the best and brightest so anything in the business realm put me off. I went the engineering route as my father was an engineer; I just didn't know how badly that job sucked. I should of went the GMI route that he wanted me to go and played with robotics etc but then I'd probably still have to work.

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Didn't go to college...no debt.

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Speaking of worthiness of high school classes, basic household economics is something sorely lacking. Sit kids down, teach them not just the theory of compound interest but ****ing show them what setting aside savings into solid, managed accounts can do immediately for them. Show them the stack of cash they would have when they retire.

And ****ing show them how running out credit bills, be they of the card variety or student loans or car loans impacts them long-term. All three have to be addressed, but the fact credit card companies market heavily to the new consumer, late-teen student market is a telling feature. Those kids do think they're invincible, that nothing bad will come of their spending habits, and that savings is something people do for later.

Break those habits. Break them.

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My wife worked for years at a local 2-year university, specializing in placing people into skill trades training. It's amazing that the jobs are there, how much they pay, and how few people know about them or are interested in them. 98% placement in some fields (electrical, masonry) making more than I make at my posh, dead-end computer support desk job? No one, no one at all indicated this was a possiblity when I was in HS. It was "college degrees are the way of the future... never mind that we can't explain how to get to what you want to do without that answer", never the skills side of things. BOCES vo-tech programs were pooh-pooh'd by staff as for slug-a-beds and stoners and delinquents. Those guys left school and for the most part are making a quality living for the last 25+ years. I know one who's retired. Guidance failings at the HS level are a massive national problem.


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That, plus a decent introduction to everyday finances. Kids need to learn how to save & how loans, interest, etc. work. It's something that is severely lacking these days.
Sorry Burg, didn't mean to re-state your post.

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Noted thriller author Vince Flynn dead at 47. Cancer.

Jesus that is too young for anyone to go. Gandolfini was only 51 too if my thinking was correct.

On a slightly less tragic note excellent advice folks.

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Noted thriller author Vince Flynn dead at 47. Cancer.

Jesus that is too young for anyone to go. Gandolfini was only 51 too if my thinking was correct.

On a slightly less tragic note excellent advice folks.
I loved Vince Flynn's books. Great action, even if some of it was far fetched.

Re: trades. I read an article about a woman that was working as an automotive specialist dealing with diagnostics using the latest software available for troubleshooting new vehicles. She worked in a service garage that was so clean you could have eaten off the floor, and I think her salary was in the $80s.

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It comes down to most people don't want to get their hands dirty for a living. Even though contractors, plumbers, etc will ALWAYS be in demand.

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It comes down to most people don't want to get their hands dirty for a living. Even though contractors, plumbers, etc will ALWAYS be in demand.
There will always be a cultural bias against those kinds of jobs (e.g. being for unintelligent people, macho slobs, etc), even though the bottom line is in many cases you're likely to lead a better life going down that career path.

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06-20-2013, 01:39 PM
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There will always be a cultural bias against those kinds of jobs (e.g. being for unintelligent people, macho slobs, etc), even though the bottom line is in many cases you're likely to lead a better life going down that career path.
Can you explain? I don't necessarily disagree, but I don't necessarily agree either.

How does blue collar jobs lead to a better life than white collar jobs in many cases?

I have no qualms with either. I was born and raised in a happy blue collar family and currently have a very promising, healthy, happy white collar life. Just looking for explanation.

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You, sir, just made an enemy for life.
I love history and my library is chock full of nonfiction, but I didn't need 12 years of it and I don't think the average student does either.

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Yeah, I understand the "cultural bias", but I don't understand the "better life" part.

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Yeah, I understand the "cultural bias", but I don't understand the "better life" part.
Clock thinks he means that some people are happier doing the more hands on types of work and would be way unhappy at a desk job, per-say.

I get it. It's not for everyone. But if I wasn't at my desk, how would I be on hfboards!???

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Clock thinks he means that some people are happier doing the more hands on types of work and would be way unhappy at a desk job, per-say.

I get it. It's not for everyone. But if I wasn't at my desk, how would I be on hfboards!???
I thought he meant it financially, and if you can break into a skilled trade with significantly less debt than the average college student you'll command a decent salary right off the bat and be better off longterm, not to mention with the amount of personal interaction and unions, if you can get one of those jobs, you can enjoy a tremendous amount of job security.

When I worked in engineering, the town highway guys I worked with were almost always happier than the engineers.

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What does it all MEAN, Paxon?

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I love history and my library is chock full of nonfiction, but I didn't need 12 years of it and I don't think the average student does either.
Eh, maybe the quality of history instruction you get in high school. My students come to me knowing basically nothing. But I think knowledge of history is important, otherwise people keep repeating the same dumb mistakes over and over again.

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Hoping to have just picked up a freelancing position for a local publication. The interview went well.

That, coupled with my full-time gig as a cook, should help alleviate the oncoming nuisances that are student loans. Certainly not a remedy, but I'll welcome the extra cash.

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Eh, maybe the quality of history instruction you get in high school. My students come to me knowing basically nothing. But I think knowledge of history is important, otherwise people keep repeating the same dumb mistakes over and over again.
Seems to me that happens regardless of whether one studies history or not.

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Eh, maybe the quality of history instruction you get in high school. My students come to me knowing basically nothing. But I think knowledge of history is important, otherwise people keep repeating the same dumb mistakes over and over again.
I heard that last sentence a lot as a justification for history classes and honestly it's so generic I'm not sure what it really means.

Speaking with the desire for a relatively well educated populace capable of electing adequate leaders, an appreciation for the formation of the U.S. government as well as landmark issues along the way is essential (and would get touched on in a government class in part which was a requirement) to provide context with why we're here and how we got here, but beyond that I have trouble seeing anything that should be a requirement.

Does the above really necessitate four years of high school history? Maybe it's different in other high schools, or maybe my error was in being in AP classes.

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Does the above really necessitate four years of high school history? Maybe it's different in other high schools, or maybe my error was in being in AP classes.
Yes. History is very important. It's the "Lessons learned" document for the human race.

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It comes down to most people don't want to get their hands dirty for a living. Even though contractors, plumbers, etc will ALWAYS be in demand.
Same with my industry. People will always need food and in today's society people are in a rush and don't want to cook themselves.

Edit: reading more of the thread... I think the better life comment means that you can make more money. Look at labor costs for auto repair, plumbing repair, contractors etc. That's just my take on what was meant by that comment.

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