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06-14-2013, 12:28 PM
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The "original" 6 weren't all the original NHL teams. Det didn't join until 1926
Even then Detroit is still a relocation team, they basically bought the Victoria Cougars even keeping the name for a couple years. Hard to classify Detroit as that, even while trying to be cute.

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I'm going to count expansion as teams that were added in the 90's or later, not teams that were added in late 70's/early 80's.

So, I'll say Carolina: Two Cups finals, one cup. Tampa runs up with a cup win. Honorable mention: Ottawa at least made it to the finals, and San Jose had some great regular seasons, but never made the finals.
Carolina is the Hartford Whalers. They shouldn't really count here and if we are counting relocation, New Jersey, Dallas and Colorado all are in front of them at the table.

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The wings were not part of God's "6 day build the earth plan", thus they count as an expansion team. However, had the question been "greatest O6 team", they would also qualify for that. Some would pick the Habs, based on arbitrary success measures like "cups", or "HoF players", or "winning", but these narrow-minded posters would no doubt be educated over the course of this thread to realize the error of their ways.

Why had I not thought of that. You sir have opened my eyes.

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Even then Detroit is still a relocation team, they basically bought the Victoria Cougars even keeping the name for a couple years. Hard to classify Detroit as that, even while trying to be cute.



Carolina is the Hartford Whalers. They shouldn't really count here and if we are counting relocation, New Jersey, Dallas and Colorado all are in front of them at the table.
Detroit was actually an expansion team, but the old Western League folded the season before, so the owners just bought all the player contracts and used the Cougar name to appease those players, as they hadn't even selected a name yet.

The OP should have made it clearer what he wanted is all.



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its obviously not fair to judge the different exapnsion eras against each other

for the "intial" expansion period (ie the 1967 teams through Washington) would be the Penguins narrowly over the Flyers

the WHA expansion would be the the Oilers

the early 90's expansion would be the Ducks

and for the last round of expansion its Nashville
I agree with doing it by era, but I'd switch Pitts with Philly and Anaheim with San Jose.

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Well if were talking franchises we probably shouldnt dismiss the fact that the Devils were a few teams before the Devils. But if we do forget that, then yea they should be the best.

Edmonton is right there behind them but have been weak as of late

--did not realize we were talking about different era's of expansions. If we are, the above quote seems correct to me

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06-14-2013, 03:18 PM
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Much more fair as was said earlier if you break it up into the different expansion years:

1967: Almost certainly comes down to Philly and Pittsburgh. Pens have 3 Cups, Flyers 2; I give the edge to the Flyers simply because the Pens were atrocious at various periods, and Flyers have several conference titles.

1970: Vancouver and Buffalo are about even; slight edge to Buffalo based on better regular seasons over the years.

1972: Even though the Islanders haven't had a good last 20 years, neither has Calgary to be honest. Islanders win here.

1974: Guess you gotta go KC Scouts here even though they didn't do a thing until after filtering through Denver to New Jersey, and even then it was a 6 year wait until the '88 playoffs.

1979: Oilers win this one, though Colorado comes close with their last year in Quebec up til about 2002.

1992: Slight edge to Ottawa over Tampa Bay in spite of 2004 because once they got past their early years, they havent had the extreme dips that Tampa has had.

1993: Ducks in a runaway over Florida.

1998/1999: Nashville easily over Atlanta/Winnipeg.

2000: Minnesota over Columbus.

Not really sure how to compare San Jose, though they are pretty comparable with Ottawa I think.

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06-14-2013, 03:24 PM
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Considering 80% of the league is considered "expansion teams" this is pretty ridiculous.

Not to mention that Montreal & Toronto had a tremendous advantage for the first 50 years of the modern NHL, being that virtually all the league's players were canadian and they had first shot at local players by league rules.

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06-15-2013, 12:25 AM
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All time? That would be the Boston Bruins of the 1924 NHL expansion. It took Art Ross five years to build Boston into a Stanley Cup champion. (The Montreal Maroons joined the NHL at the same time and it only took Eddie Gerard two years to lead the Maroons to the cup.) The Bruins would go on to win 6 cups and make the finals 19 times.

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06-15-2013, 11:06 AM
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Of course looking at the other side of the coin Philadelphia has lost more Stanley Cup Finals than any other expansion team. Since Philadelphia won their 2nd Cup in 1974-75 they had now gone 37 seasons without winning another. In that time 4 expansion teams have moved ahead and one has tied Philadelphia in Cups won.
A loss in the Stanley Cup Final is still an appearance in the Stanley Cup Final and a win over every single team in the league - except one.

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06-15-2013, 11:52 AM
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A loss in the Stanley Cup Final is still an appearance in the Stanley Cup Final and a win over every single team in the league - except one.
But since the goal is to win the Stanley Cup they are still losers, just like every other team that failed to win the Cup those years. It`s still only second best, and unlike the Olympics the NHL does not hand out anything for finishing second best.

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But since the goal is to win the Stanley Cup they are still losers, just like every other team that failed to win the Cup those years. It`s still only second best, and unlike the Olympics the NHL does not hand out anything for finishing second best.
That's the only valid point you made.

The ol' "nobody remembers 2nd place" and "2nd place is just the 1st loser" arguments are the most bogus arguments in sports. Saying those things are just convenient arguments when it's your team that didn't make it as far.

If you make it to the Stanley Cup Final that's a huge accomplishment. It counts as a successful achievement no matter how you want to spin it.

Are you really going to say that there's no difference between the last place team and the Cup runner-up?

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I can't see how the Flyers are ranked above the Penguins. Penguins have more Cups, with 3. They also have had (arguably) the best 4 forwards post-Gretzky in Lemieux, Jagr, Crosby, and Malkin. Not to mention other greats like Trottier, Francis, Coffey, etc.

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its obviously not fair to judge the different exapnsion eras against each other

for the "intial" expansion period (ie the 1967 teams through Washington) would be the Penguins narrowly over the Flyers
No love for the Islanders?

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I can't see how the Flyers are ranked above the Penguins. Penguins have more Cups, with 3. They also have had (arguably) the best 4 forwards post-Gretzky in Lemieux, Jagr, Crosby, and Malkin. Not to mention other greats like Trottier, Francis, Coffey, etc.
When they don't have generational talent in their line-up they aren't contenders. You can't say the same for Philly who've have been more consistent then Pittsburgh.

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