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06-17-2013, 07:01 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modo_Hockey

and

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...gue-team-modo/

Could not find anywhere where Ulf has been fired since being hired in 2011...
http://translate.google.com/translat...ari%26rls%3Den

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Ulf Samuelsson's time as head coach of MODO Hockey is over.

Ulf Samuelsson during these two years had an impact on Swedish hockey - and MODO Hockey.

- Uffe has done a good job and at the stage where we felt it very important that we got him into the organization. Uffe has with his accuracy and integrity, with its commitment helped to MODO Hockey has advanced its positions, said GM Markus Naslund.

During Ulf Samuelsson's two years in MODO Hockey so it was an eighth-and seventh place in the regular season - and beyond passport in the quarterfinals game.
http://www.modohockey.se/artikel/37806/

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I'm just not sure how anyone could be a BIG fan of Torts after his time here.

Torts fans must agree/like the following:

1. Chris Kreider, at best, is a plug-in NHL 4th liner
2. Brian Boyle can be used in every game situation andis a top-6 forward
3. Block all shots so your Vezina winning goaltender doesn't have to
4. DON'T practice offense, it is an unnecessary part of hockey
5. Once the puck carrier gets passed the red line, he must dump in and chase
6. Don't worry about puck possession, its another unimportant factor
7. Make fun of/bench/send down/demoralize all your young/ up and coming players
etc.

Torts was a sideshow and more of a distraction than a head coach.

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06-17-2013, 07:15 PM
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I'm just not sure how anyone could be a BIG fan of Torts after his time here.

Torts fans must agree/like the following:

1. Chris Kreider, at best, is a plug-in NHL 4th liner
2. Brian Boyle can be used in every game situation andis a top-6 forward
3. Block all shots so your Vezina winning goaltender doesn't have to
4. DON'T practice offense, it is an unnecessary part of hockey
5. Once the puck carrier gets passed the red line, he must dump in and chase
6. Don't worry about puck possession, its another unimportant factor
7. Make fun of/bench/send down/demoralize all your young/ up and coming players
etc.

Torts was a sideshow and more of a distraction than a head coach.
If your analysis is accurate, the Rangers should sail to a Stanley Cup next year.

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06-17-2013, 07:16 PM
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I don't think you guys are getting offensive AV. I'm expecting you guys get something that more resembles Hitch-hockey.

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I figured it was a recent change.

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You just need an excuse to trash on the Rangers. The Rangers could have hired a young Scotty Bowman and you'd trash the hiring.
I've been a big fan of this trainwreck of a franchise for over 50 years;
the players were different(meaning in so far as management. ex: Emil Francis, John Ferguson, Espo, Neal Smith, and now the "Teflon GM" for 13 yrs no less!) and with exception of the period Oct, 1991 thru June 1997(Messier's years here) the results have always been the same: pure, unadulterated garbage in terms of organizational management including lousy drafts, bad trades, brutal free agent signings, etcetera.

All of this has resulted in 1 Stanley Cup won in 73 years, a cup I might add we owe a great deal of gratitude for to our current "Teflon GM" who was the then GM of the Oilers responsible for making the deal of Messier to the Rangers for Bernie Nichols, Louie DeBrusk and Steven Rice!

In so far as AV is concerned; perhaps I'll be wrong about him and if I am, then I'll be more than happy to eat crow.

My gut reaction is he will get along swimmingly with "The Teflon GM" because both of them are arrogant, pompous, smug *******s who think their "**** don't stink"

Personally, I honestly believed that Dallas Eakins was the best choice for the job but "The Teflon GM" true to his moniker sat on his hands while the Oilers swooped in and hired him!.

I guess we'll just have to see how this all plays out!

As far as my propensity to "trash the Rangers?". All I can say is my hatred for this organization and the years of mismanagement since I'm a little kid runs very deep!

It doesn't mean that I hate the only hockey team I've ever been a fan of.

Perhaps you now have a better understanding of my bitterness regarding the Rangers!

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06-17-2013, 07:18 PM
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I'm just not sure how anyone could be a BIG fan of Torts after his time here.

Torts fans must agree/like the following:

1. Chris Kreider, at best, is a plug-in NHL 4th liner
2. Brian Boyle can be used in every game situation andis a top-6 forward
3. Block all shots so your Vezina winning goaltender doesn't have to
4. DON'T practice offense, it is an unnecessary part of hockey
5. Once the puck carrier gets passed the red line, he must dump in and chase
6. Don't worry about puck possession, its another unimportant factor
7. Make fun of/bench/send down/demoralize all your young/ up and coming players
etc.

Torts was a sideshow and more of a distraction than a head coach.
Yea, and AV is the complete opposite with respect to young players. Apparently some Rangers fans are completely oblivious to the Cody Hodgson situation. This is what happens when you only pay attention to your favorite team.

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06-17-2013, 07:21 PM
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Yea, and AV is the complete opposite with respect to young players. Apparently some Rangers fans are completely oblivious to the Cody Hodgson situation. This is what happens when you only pay attention to your favorite team.
Nice post; AV completed screwed with Hodgeson who, by the way, is a lot more talented than Chris Kreider.

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06-17-2013, 07:26 PM
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I'm just not sure how anyone could be a BIG fan of Torts after his time here.

Torts fans must agree/like the following:

1. Chris Kreider, at best, is a plug-in NHL 4th liner
2. Brian Boyle can be used in every game situation andis a top-6 forward
3. Block all shots so your Vezina winning goaltender doesn't have to
4. DON'T practice offense, it is an unnecessary part of hockey
5. Once the puck carrier gets passed the red line, he must dump in and chase
6. Don't worry about puck possession, its another unimportant factor
7. Make fun of/bench/send down/demoralize all your young/ up and coming players
etc.

Torts was a sideshow and more of a distraction than a head coach.
Do you actually watch the games or have you been living under a rock?
More young players have come up, developed and even thrived under Torts coaching reign than at any time in Ranger's history since Roger Neilson in 1991!
You should re-think your ridiculous statements above!

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06-17-2013, 07:26 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modo_Hockey

and

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...gue-team-modo/

Could not find anywhere where Ulf has been fired since being hired in 2011...
This is from April 24th of this year:

http://canucksarmy.com/2013/4/24/mar...-role-for-modo

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Since then Barry Smith, who was a Canucks assistant coach when current Modo General Manager Markus Naslund captained the Canucks from 2006 to 2008, tragically lost his wife, moved to Europe, and coached the Danish and Dutch men's national hockey teams. Now he'll be an assistant to Anders Forsberg next season in Örnsköldsvik, coaching Modo the former club team of the Sedin twins, and working for the Swedish sniper whose number nineteen hangs in the rafters at Rogers Arena.
And this, also from April 24th:

http://translate.google.com/translat...B_enUS534US535

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45-year-old Anders Forsberg MODO Hockey becomes the 19th head coach in the Elite League.
Edit: Lol, just a little late. Gotta be quick to beat RB.

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06-17-2013, 07:28 PM
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I wanted Torts GONE a few games into the Washington series when I understood that while our team could play really good hockey under him in the reg. season, he immediately strangles the life out of the team in the playoffs by enforcing his system to an absurd level.

I could see us winning the East in the reg. season again under Torts, but I could never see us winning a cup under him, that's why he had to go.

These are my thoughts regarding your points:

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I'm just not sure how anyone could be a BIG fan of Torts after his time here.

Torts fans must agree/like the following:

1. Chris Kreider, at best, is a plug-in NHL 4th liner
Pretty much, he has yet to how that he can be an effective NHL player at a consistent basis. Plays way too tentatively, and has been poor defensively. He has looked like Evgeny Grachev.

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2. Brian Boyle can be used in every game situation andis a top-6 forward
Boyle is no top-6 player, but an effective defensive center that can handle a 3rd line role if the line is deployed correctly. Not a traditional PP player and shouldn't be a PP regular, but he somehow worked there in the PO's and all PP goals we scored in the postseason were socred with Boyle on the ice. Can't blame Torts for going with what worked.

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3. Block all shots so your Vezina winning goaltender doesn't have to
Agreed, idiotic. Kills our transition game as well. The thing was that during the reg. season there was a lot less collapsing going on, and lo and behold we were actually regularly outplaying our opposition 5v5. But that changed in the POs.

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4. DON'T practice offense, it is an unnecessary part of hockey
I can agree that offence is a more creative endavour than defence and therefore should be practised less as the effect is probably less, but to not practice it altogether is stupid I agree.

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5. Once the puck carrier gets passed the red line, he must dump in and chase
You need the players to pull this off effectively though, and Torts didn't have this initially. But his failing was to not change his gameplan dependent on the players, because he actually got some guys capable of doing this. Torts can also be blamed for not trying to move the team in a direction where we have more players capable of carrying in the puck, and instead building the entire team around the dump and chase mindset.

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6. Don't worry about puck possession, its another unimportant factor
We were actually one of the top possession teams in the league this reg. season, but I agree that Torts seemed to underrate possession. His coaching philosophy is still stuck in the trapping days and centered around not losing the puck in the wrong areas under any circumstance, get it below the hashmarks at any cost.

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7. Make fun of/bench/send down/demoralize all your young/ up and coming players
etc.

Torts was a sideshow and more of a distraction than a head coach.
Torts did less of this than most people make him out to have done. Kreider didn't merit the role some fans seem to want to be gifted. Miller got to stay up WAY longer than what I thought he deserved. Hagelin's game doesn't translate well to the PP, he could've been less blunt whe speaking about it, but it is true. Speaking of Hagelin, you mean the guy who went from the AHL to the 1st line in a metter of ~6 weeks? That doesn't sound like a rookie not being given a chance.

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Nice post; AV completed screwed with Hodgeson who, by the way, is a lot more talented than Chris Kreider.
I don't even know if he screwed with him all that much. Obviously the end result was a trade.

I can't fault a coach for demanding defense from his young players. This is the NHL and you have responsibilities on the backcheck and in your own end. Bad defense hurts the team's shot at winning. Kreider looked like crap offensively so I get why Tortorella wouldn't want to give him a lot of minutes. If you can't help offensively or defensively, you're worthless. Kreider just wasn't ready. I hear Hodgson has continued to struggle defensively as well, however, he creates offense.

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I've been a big fan of this trainwreck of a franchise for over 50 years;
the players were different(meaning in so far as management. ex: Emil Francis, John Ferguson, Espo, Neal Smith, and now the "Teflon GM" for 13 yrs no less!) and with exception of the period Oct, 1991 thru June 1997(Messier's years here) the results have always been the same: pure, unadulterated garbage in terms of organizational management including lousy drafts, bad trades, brutal free agent signings, etcetera.

All of this has resulted in 1 Stanley Cup won in 73 years, a cup I might add we owe a great deal of gratitude for to our current "Teflon GM" who was the then GM of the Oilers responsible for making the deal of Messier to the Rangers for Bernie Nichols, Louie DeBrusk and Steven Rice!

In so far as AV is concerned; perhaps I'll be wrong about him and if I am, then I'll be more than happy to eat crow.

My gut reaction is he will get along swimmingly with "The Teflon GM" because both of them are arrogant, pompous, smug *******s who think their "**** don't stink"

Personally, I honestly believed that Dallas Eakins was the best choice for the job but "The Teflon GM" true to his moniker sat on his hands while the Oilers swooped in and hired him!.

I guess we'll just have to see how this all plays out!

As far as my propensity to "trash the Rangers?". All I can say is my hatred for this organization and the years of mismanagement since I'm a little kid runs very deep!

It doesn't mean that I hate the only hockey team I've ever been a fan of.

Perhaps you now have a better understanding of my bitterness regarding the Rangers!
I understand you're jaded but I have no idea what you being a fan of a train wreck of team for 50 years has to do with anything.

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I understand you're jaded but I have no idea what you being a fan of a train wreck of team for 50 years has to do with anything.
Kind of surprised a perceptive guy like you doesn't know the answer to that one. I don't know how long you're a Rangers fan, but I guess it's somewhat less than 50+ years.

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I'm just not sure how anyone could be a BIG fan of Torts after his time here.

Torts fans must agree/like the following:

1. Chris Kreider, at best, is a plug-in NHL 4th liner
2. Brian Boyle can be used in every game situation andis a top-6 forward
3. Block all shots so your Vezina winning goaltender doesn't have to
4. DON'T practice offense, it is an unnecessary part of hockey
5. Once the puck carrier gets passed the red line, he must dump in and chase
6. Don't worry about puck possession, its another unimportant factor
7. Make fun of/bench/send down/demoralize all your young/ up and coming players
etc.

Torts was a sideshow and more of a distraction than a head coach.
You know what I liked? WINNING.

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Kind of surprised a perceptive guy like you doesn't know the answer to that one. I don't know how long you're a Rangers fan, but I guess it's somewhat less than 50+ years.
I try to be a logical guy first and foremost. As I said I understand that you're jaded. However, you being a fan for 50 years doesn't have anything to do with anything in regards to this team or AV. If you want to bring up Sather's tenure, ok, but bringing in 50 years is nothing but a form of exaggeration (I don't mean you're exaggerating your tenure as a fan, just exaggerating how terrible THIS current organization is). You probably are not trying to say that this current organization is bad because of those 50 years, but that's why it's really irrelevant in judging today's team.

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You know what I liked? WINNING.
Must have loved Renney then

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Oh and I said I try to be a logical guy first and foremost, that obviously doesn't include the GDT and Post-GDT threads, lol.

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Oh and I said I try to be a logical guy first and foremost, that obviously doesn't include the GDT and Post-GDT threads, lol.
Nobody is, no worries.

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If being one win away from a cup is "underachieving", yes, yes he did.

Switch Khabibulin circa 2004 with Luongo circa 2011 in their respective games sevens, and we're talking about AV having a Cup and Tortorella not having one.
How is it a guarantee that the Nucks would have the cup? In game 7 vs. Boston, they scored 0 goals. Not even Tretiak can win with 0 goal support.

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You won't when our dmen make a fail read, join the rush or pinch at a poor time, and end up giving up a **** ton more odd man rushes the other way than you've seen in the past few seasons.

We have the best goalie on the planet, the d-men can afford to pinch every now and then. Offense is the #1 priority.

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Torts should be remembered for bringing us to the ECF, which is a significant achievement. Also, his rant about the Penguins, that was classic.

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Btw, what the hell kind of scenario is "switching Khabibulin circa 2004 with Luongo circa 2011" supposed to be?? The bottom line is AV had the superior team in 2011 with a 3-2 lead in the SCF and he "choked" bigtime.
Yeah AV choked because obviously he should have known that Luongo was gonna **** the bed in Boston for Game 6 allowing 4 goals in 4+ minutes, that game was over before the 10 minute mark of the 1st period....

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I try to be a logical guy first and foremost. As I said I understand that you're jaded. However, you being a fan for 50 years doesn't have anything to do with anything in regards to this team or AV. If you want to bring up Sather's tenure, ok, but bringing in 50 years is nothing but a form of exaggeration (I don't mean you're exaggerating your tenure as a fan, just exaggerating how terrible THIS current organization is). You probably are not trying to say that this current organization is bad because of those 50 years, but that's why it's really irrelevant in judging today's team.
Good points. My anger with this organization has to do expressly with "The Teflon GM" and no one else in particular.

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