Went with Murray over Hollweg, Taylor, G. Moore, Helminen, Weller, Kozak, Byers, Petruzalek, Wiseman, Bahensky, Guenin, Furrer, Psurny, Crabb, Potter, Foote and Holt in order.
Comments: Hollweg is a lock. I think Ryan have more potential then whats expected from him right now. After that I feel Taylor have potential, though most likely a 6th dman slugger. Like him allot though. Greg Moore seems to have it all. Hopefully he'll be the next Murray/Ortmayer. Helminen have dissapointed on me, but I had really high expectations. He will need a whole year with allot more responibility in HFD. I don't know if I am blind but I like Craig Weller. This guy is just starting to roll!(hopefully ) Kozak and Byres, the twin concrete blocks. They need to have a perfect developing curve from this summer and then 2-3 years to come close. If they do they have allot of interesting abilitys. Wiseman, well don't like his vision and hockey sense. Really good skillset though. Don't think he'll last in the org. any long. Bahensky his upside should warrant a higher spot, but I don't know. The felling isn't their... Guenin I haven't seen any of Nasty Nate. When I read about him I miss allot of qualitys. Like speed and stickhandling. Their aren't many 6'2 D's that aren't good at anything then the physical game. Seems to have great attitude though. Furrer is a longshoot. He was good in the WJC where I saw him in one game. But, D is a really tough position to make it. Psurny looks like a player who could have a career in Europe, don't seems to have that extra thats needed though. Crabb& Foote are two players who the scout in charge of probably hoped he had missed something on. Because all the other characteristics are there, except vision, hands ect.
I'm a little frustrated that Jake Taylor has continued to slide down the rankings. Perhaps I haven't seen enough of him as some here...
He's huge, not overly slow, and plays a reliable, rugged game. His upside seems to be a #3-4 guy and that, to me, beats anything on the board now.
The only thing that worries me about Taylor is his decision-making and ability to react to the speed of professional hockey. These things don't always come throughg on TV, but I noticed it quite a bit when I got to see him live in Bridgeport earlier this year. He not only seemed jittery with the puck (understandable), but he had alot of trouble keeping up with the pro game and had alot of trouble containing players one on one.
This explains why I haven't voted for him until now. That said, he is a project, but has tremendous potential to be a big, nasty, crease-clearing defenseman and probably has the highest upside among remaining prospects.
I liked him a while back. I here sjb's concerns, but as far as I can see, McGill preferred him over Liffiton, who was ranked a heck of a lot higher and is only a year younger, while both had a rookie pro season. To me, he carried Liffiton, at least in the games I saw. He had a couple troubling points (like letting a guy beat him while being a bit lackadaisacal, which is troubling), but he was solid, all with a broken jaw. He's not going to be an elite defenseman, but I think he has a decent chance to at least be in the NHL.
To me, he carried Liffiton, at least in the games I saw.
I am not in a position to disagree with McGill, but everything I saw out of both Taylor and Liffiton would lead me to rank Liffiton quite a bit ahead of Taylor. Both have similar upside (Taylor's potential is perhaps augmented by his size), but the deciding factor is that Liffiton has already come a long way in developing his pro game. He plays with confidence, has good decision-making with the puck, and is very good in one-on-one situations. Taylor is enticing because of his size, but he is a very lanky player right now and you can clearly see that he doesn't have the strength right now to contain big forwards. What stuck me most about Taylor is that he just looks awkward when he tries to take his man into the boards. He doesn't look comfortable in his own zone and he is always about 1-2 seconds behind the play as it develops. These are things that will come with maturity and experience, but like I said, Jake is a bit of a project at this point which is why I'm reluctant to rank him any higher.
I understand why sjb likes Liffiton. He is a better skater and has an edge to him. However, I think Taylor has more upside from a physical standpoint. His biggest issue is footspeed. If he improves it, he could be a fan fave.
What I like the most about Taylor is that he is able to get the job done. The AHL is a pretty good league and Taylor still got by without that much of a problem. The problems he had was more IMO due to the obvious flaws in his game. If a player can get by with such a obvious flaws there are allot of development left in him. I also like his stride, he covers allot of ice. Compare him with Grenier for example who moves like a panzer wagoon on the ice. Taylors speed is very deceptive. Jake is a player that you stick with someone like McGill for 2-3 years and you never know what the results are gooing to be. He could turn out as a Tom Poti without hands or a rock solid top 4 defensemen.
I like Liffiton more then Taylor, similar upsde (5th defenceman if your lucky) however Liffiton can fight. Until Taylor learns how to fight at the pro level i would take Liffiton, althought tahts all taht seperates them in my mind. Taylor would benefit froma couple more seasons in the AHL.
but feel the opposite. Like I said, I though Taylor made decent strides despite a broken jaw that could've slowed than many physical players. Further, I'm basing a bit of my opinion on what I believe McGill thought, since he's better at this than me. I believe Liffiton was sent down and Taylor kept up because Taylor was the more advanced. I agreed with that assessment from the 3 or 4 games I saw them play together. Both are raw, but I believed Taylor's a bit ahead, and rightfully so since he is a year older (although in terms of development, I think they're similar in age since Taylor only had one college season before turning pro and they turned pro the same time). I hope the both work out and will look to this season as being a big one for Liffiton, who is the more mobile of the two.