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2013 Summer Trade & Signing Talk | Part III | We'll always have Lester B. Pearson

All figures are cap numbers, not salaries, and are taken directly from www.capgeek.com.

2013-2014 salary ceiling: .................64,300,000
Projected cap spending: ...................54,898,333
Projected cap space: .........................9,401,667



PITTSBURGH PENGUINS
Forward.................
Pos.
Age
2013-14
2014-15
2015-16
Sidney Crosby
C
25
8,700,000
8,700,000
8,700,000
Evgeni Malkin
C
26
8,700,000
9,500,000
9,500,000
James Neal
RW
25
5,000,000
5,000,000
5,000,000
Chris Kunitz
LW
33
3,725,000
UFA
 
Jussi Jokinen
LW
30
2,100,000
UFA
 
Brandon Sutter
C
24
2,066,667
RFA
 
Tanner Glass
LW
29
1,100,000
UFA
 
Beau Bennett
RW
21
900,000
900,000
RFA
Joe Vitale
C
27
550,000
UFA
 
Defense.................
Pos.
Age
2013-14
2014-15
.2015-16
Paul Martin
D
32
5,000,000
5,000,000
UFA
Brooks Orpik
D
32
3,750,000
UFA
 
Kris Letang
D
26
3,500,000
UFA
 
Matt Niskanen
D
26
2,300,000
UFA
 
Simon Despres
D
21
840,000
RFA
 
Deryk Engelland
D
31
566,667
UFA
 
Goalie....................
Pos.
Age
2013-14
2014-15
.2015-16
Marc-Andre Fleury
G
28
5,000,000
5,000,000
UFA
Tomas Vokoun
G
36
2,000,000
UFA
 



WILKES-BARRE/SCRANTON PENGUINS
Forward...............
Pos.
Age
2013-14
2014-15
2015-16
Jayson Megna
C
22
925,000
RFA
 
Adam Payerl
RW
21
866,667
866,667
RFA
Tom Kuhnhackl
LW
20
838,333
838,333
RFA
Steve MacIntyre
LW
32
625,000
UFA
 
Dominik Uher
C
20
616,667
616,667
RFA
Anton Zlobin
LW
20
608,333
608,333
608,333
Defense...............
Pos.
Age
2013-14
2014-15
2015-16
Harrison Ruopp
D
20
925,000
925,000
925,000
Philip Samuelsson
D
21
912,500
RFA
 
Scott Harrington
D
20
910,833
910,833
910,833
Brian Dumoulin
D
21
900,000
900,000
RFA
Nick D'Agostino
D
22
625,000
625,000
RFA
Reid McNeill
D
20
575,000
575,000
RFA
Goalie..................
Pos.
Age
2013-14
2014-15
2015-16
Jeff Zatkoff
G
25
537,500
UFA
 



UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENTS
Forward...............
Pos.
Age
2012-13
News and notes
Jarome Iginla
RW
35
7,000,000
RDS reports he'd prefer to stay in Pittsburgh with L.A. as a fallback
Brenden Morrow
LW
34
4,100,000
Tough to imagine fitting him under the cap for less than a big discount
Douglas Murray
D
33
2,500,000
Probably need to let him walk to save some money on the third pairing
Matt Cooke
LW
34
1,800,000
Very good playoff run should make him some nice money elsewhere
Pascal Dupuis
RW
34
1,500,000
Reportedly more concerned with the term (4 years) than the cash
Mark Eaton
D
36
725,000
Gave what he had to give this year but best days are well behind him
Craig Adams
RW
36
675,000
Looking for a two-year deal, per the Trib
Philippe Dupuis
C
28
600,000
Injured and ineffective all season -- goodbye
Warren Peters
LW
30
600,000
Decent AHL leader who could find a better shot elsewhere
Dylan Reese
D
28
600,000
Signed with Amur Khabarovsk (KHL)
Trevor Smith
C
28
575,000
Couldn't replicate Norfolk numbers on a more defensive team
Chad Kolarik
C
27
525,000
Provided a greatly needed scoring spark in WBS after being traded there
Brad Thiessen
G
27
525,000
Improved his stock with other teams with two strong AHL playoff rounds



RESTRICTED FREE AGENTS
Forward...............
Pos.
Age
2012-13
News and notes
Tyler Kennedy
RW
26
2,000,000
Likely won't be qualified once again, but for a different reason
Eric Hartzell
G
24
1,595,625
Much of that cap hit is signing bonus so the qualifying offer will be lower
Brian Gibbons
C
25
900,000
Has proved to be a valuable all-around skater for WBS
Paul Thompson
RW
24
900,000
Doubled his goal output to 20 this season
Dustin Jeffrey
C
25
575,000
Would have been UFA had the Pens played him in fewer games this year
Zach Sill
C
25
535,000
Still a pest and a decent penalty-killer to keep around the organization
Robert Bortuzzo
D
24
525,000
They kept him over Strait and should get a nice extension at a cheap rate
Alex Grant
D
24
525,000
Still has slight spark of offense and still isn't worth much in his own zone
Riley Holzapfel
C
24
525,000
Former second-round pick who finally showed some promise
Keven Veilleux
RW
23
525,000
Constantly injured *and* allegedly racist? What a combo



SIGNED PROSPECTS
Player
Pos.
Age
Current Team
Contract
Derrick Pouliot
D
19
Portland (WHL)
3 years/1,350,000 per
Olli Maatta
D
18
London (OHL)
3 years/925,000 per



UNSIGNED PROSPECTS
Player
Pos.
Age
Current Team (League)
Josh Archibald
F
20
Nebraska-Omaha (WCHA)
Teddy Blueger
F
18
Minnesota State (WCHA)
Sean Maguire
G
19
Boston University (HEA)
Matia Marcantuoni
F
18
Kitchener (OHL)
Matt Murray
G
18
Sault Ste. Marie (OHL)
Alexander Pechurskiy
G
22
Orsk (VHL)
Bryan Rust
F
20
Notre Dame (CCHA)
Clark Seymour
D
19
Peterborough (OHL)
Oskar Sundqvist
F
18
Skellefteć (SEL)
Alex Velischek
D
22
Providence (HEA)
Scott Wilson
F
20
UMass-Lowell (HEA)

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Thinking we need a big guy with Crosby to cycle the puck. Chris Stewart.

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Thinking we need a big guy with Crosby to cycle the puck. Chris Stewart.
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CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Beau Bennett ($0.900m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) /
Chris Kunitz ($3.725m) / Evgeni Malkin ($8.700m) / James Neal ($5.000m)
Jussi Jokinen ($2.100m) / Brandon Sutter ($2.067m) /
Tanner Glass ($1.100m) / Joe Vitale ($0.550m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Paul Martin ($5.000m) / Brooks Orpik ($3.750m)
Kris Letang ($3.500m) / Simon Despres ($0.840m)
Matt Niskanen ($2.300m) / Deryk Engelland ($0.567m)
GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m)
Tomas Vokoun ($2.000m)
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $55,798,333; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (17-man roster): $8,501,667
This is what we have right now. Without moving anyone we have $8.5m for a first, third and fourth line RW, a dman and two other depth players.

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yes sir.
How about a briere-Crosby-Stewart 1st line, then a 2nd line of Bennett-Malkin-Neal

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How about a briere-Crosby-Stewart 1st line, then a 2nd line of Bennett-Malkin-Neal
I meant

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I have to wonder if the people pining for Mike Smith remember how bad Mike Smith was in Tampa.
I have to wonder if the people knocking the people pining for Mike Smith remember that Mike Smith was one of the centerpieces of the Brad Richards trade (well him and Jussi Jokinen who was traded for Melichar!)

point being the guy had some pedigree. Turco considers him a protege and is still in constant contact with the guy. i'm not advocating that they acquire him, but i'm tired of constantly hearing that he's a flame-out who got lucky in Phoenix's system.

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How about a briere-Crosby-Stewart 1st line, then a 2nd line of Bennett-Malkin-Neal
in one word, I would call those lines "unlikely"

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To be fair, I would be a bit bothered if Briere ended up donning a Pens uniform.

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pens really need to get rid of fleury. that five million in cap space can go a long way to finding some offensive support for malkin/crosby or a defensive anchor for the blueline.

vokoun was brought in to determine if fleury was the problem or if the penguins simply played a system that afforded higher percentage chances to the opposition thus causing any goalie to struggle here. well, the answer was clear as day-- vokoun played under the exact same system and didnt suck. fleury is the problem.

very poor allocation of resources to spend spend that much on a goalie who is nearly a guarantee to suck in the playoffs. im sure they could bring in some journey-man on the cheap who can still win a decent number of regular season games. even if they lose a few more regular season games because they dont have fleury in net, they should still easily make the playoffs.

and from another perspective, fleury is clearly a larger contributor to this country club, lack-of-accountability atmosphere that seems to have taken hold of this team. frankly this team needs an attitude adjustment, and no better way to do so then get rid of everyone favorite class clown, who also happens to be a waste of cap space.

fleury needs to go. its clear as day to anyone looking at the situation objectively.

but i can see how this is going to play out. pens will keep him, there will be a bunch of stories in the news about how hes re-dedicated himself to fixing his game, how hes finally learned his lesson, other feel-good crap about how he looks so good in preseason/practices. hell put together a series of good play in the regular season and a bunch of folks here will become convinced hes turned it around. then he will suck again in the postseason, and everyone will be shocked. terribly predictable.


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in one word, I would call those lines "unlikely"
I know, I know. Them are just my lines I would want considering briere is available, and I love Stewart.

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I'd like to see a 3rd line of Jokinen-Sutter-Dupuis.

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I have to wonder if the people knocking the people pining for Mike Smith remember that Mike Smith was one of the centerpieces of the Brad Richards trade (well him and Jussi Jokinen who was traded for Melichar!)

point being the guy had some pedigree. Turco considers him a protege and is still in constant contact with the guy. i'm not advocating that they acquire him, but i'm tired of constantly hearing that he's a flame-out who got lucky in Phoenix's system.
Before Mike Smith it was Bryz. Phoenix goalies do post really decent numbers, typically.

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Before Mike Smith it was Bryz. Phoenix goalies do post really decent numbers, typically.
that's what i was referencing. just because the comparison is easy to make doesn't make it accurate. just trying to foster discussion that reaches further than 'i don't wnat Smith because LOLZBRYZ'. Smith's puck movement is an impressive attribute that would look great on this team. from what i remember none of the other goalies in free-agency or on the trade market are noted for their puck-movement.

then again most goalie talk has been rendered superfluous by Bylsma/Shero's unsettling vote of confidence in MAF.


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I hate to break it to you guys, but Stewart sucks on the cycle. As in, along with consistency, it's literally what every Blues fan picks apart in his game.

If you think he could become a triggerman for Sid or something - well that's one thing. But cycling, possession, board play, strength on the puck...not his game:

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1426639

He wouldn't help us with zone time at all.

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Before Mike Smith it was Bryz. Phoenix goalies do post really decent numbers, typically.
Most Phoenix fans would say that disregarding our defense, Smith >> Bryz. Better athletically, much higher compete level, and arguably the best puck handling goalie in the league.

Smitty was obviously more inconsistent this season and did not bail us out as often as he (spectacularly) did last season during defensive breakdowns (which we had a lot more of), but he also did battle groin injuries and had to take a lot of consecutive starts because LaBarbera is LOLbarbera. Would love to have him back but anything north of $4-5 million for 1 Vezina/Conn Smythe season followed by an up-and-down one is just crazy, especially for our budget.

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I'd like to see a 3rd line of Jokinen-Sutter-Dupuis.
Who is coaching? Surely not Disco

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This team loves Fleury. Unless bernier is offered to us on a silver platter or lundqvist only wants to sign here, expect him to win huge games and force vokoun to sit because well you know, fleury will be amazing.

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Everyone will probably scoff at this, but I think we need our own version of Brent Burns.

6'5 219lbs, menace in front of the net, good shot, decent speed, good two way game, and once he was switched from D to RW he finished the season at .875 ppg pace alongside Thornton and Couture. We also need better playoff beards as a group

Now getting actual Brent Burns isn't really plausible. I don't know what San Jose would want for him, but I bet we don't have it. And his cap hit is a little high for my liking.

But someone like him would be perfect.

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Everyone will probably scoff at this, but I think we need our own version of Brent Burns.

6'5 219lbs, menace in front of the net, good shot, decent speed, good two way game, and once he was switched from D to RW he finished the season at .875 ppg pace alongside Thornton and Couture. We also need better playoff beards as a group

Now getting actual Brent Burns isn't really plausible. I don't know what San Jose would want for him, but I bet we don't have it. And his cap hit is a little high for my liking.

But someone like him would be perfect.
Brent burns and ryan clowe would be cool. I really like clowe, reminds me of Ryan Malone back in his penguins days

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Everyone will probably scoff at this, but I think we need our own version of Brent Burns.

6'5 219lbs, menace in front of the net, good shot, decent speed, good two way game, and once he was switched from D to RW he finished the season at .875 ppg pace alongside Thornton and Couture. We also need better playoff beards as a group

Now getting actual Brent Burns isn't really plausible. I don't know what San Jose would want for him, but I bet we don't have it. And his cap hit is a little high for my liking.

But someone like him would be perfect.
Perhaps I can interest you in David Moss? :-) http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1321199

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Brent Burns is actually playing his natural position at RW. That's the funny part of the whole thing.

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Perhaps I can interest you in David Moss? :-) http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1321199
He'd be good for third line depth, but I'm not too sure how crazy I'd be about another guy more suited for the bottom six playing with Crosby

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Brent Burns is actually playing his natural position at RW. That's the funny part of the whole thing.
It is funny, isn't it?

I'm not sure why Minny ever converted him to D considering he has all the qualities you'd want in a power forward.

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The story is out there as to why they wanted to convert him, but I can't really remember what it is

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i'd try to do the same with endllend.

not on the 1st line, but in a 4th line role. keeps his toughness in the line up while making room for some of our D prospects

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