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06-17-2013, 01:50 PM
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Hey another offer sheet thread! For those who havent been paying attention Armstrong has said numerous times he will match any offer sheet for Petro and Shattenkirk
Saying it and doing it are two different things, if both of them were signed to 12M contracts for 7 years I dont think he would instantly match both of them. Of course that's a ridiculous scenario, just using it to illustrate it's easy to say I'll match an offer sheet when one isn't staring you in the face.

Ultimately I would imagine Shattenkirk being the more realistic target, and the over payment it would take from Philly to get Stl not to match wouldn't be worth it for the flyers IMO.

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Hahahahaha did he strike a nerve? Somebody's a little sensitive.
Just pointing out that, as well as being difficult to do, drafting good defensemen is no guarantee of success.

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I can see Edmonton and Philly both making huge offer sheets. Both teams are freeing up a ton of cap space right away and are in need of top D man.

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Just pointing out that, as well as being difficult to do, drafting good defensemen is no guarantee of success.
Neither is drafting a center every year.

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Just pointing out that, as well as being difficult to do, drafting good defensemen is no guarantee of success.
In Philly's case, it would help quite a bit. Should've just drafted Hamilton or Brodin.

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Pietrangelo has the potential to be an elite defenseman for the rest of his life. St. Louis would match any offer at this point.

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Pietrangelo has the potential to be an elite defenseman for the rest of his life. St. Louis would match any offer at this point.
He will be playing into his 90s?

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The point about Philly is the cap has changed the game. Probably 80% of the time, teams are going to lock up their young studs, especially on defense. You are very rarely going to see a repeat of the Zhitnik for Coburn deal and even looking beyond that, very few elite players even hit the market anymore. The days of the Flyers offer sheeting there way to a quick fix are even grabbing a Kimmo Timonen equivalent in his prime are likely over. The Flyers have drafted four defenseman in the first two rounds since 2002. So it's probably time they start investing premium picks in young, promising defenseman so they aren't forced to give up a pick and $25 million to the Mark Streit's of the world.

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On July 1st:

-PHI offers Shatty 6 years x $7M.
-VAN offers Pietrangelo 6 years x $9.5M.

What does STL do? This is mostly for STL fans' responses.

Assuming they match both who walks?
$5m per is 1st and 3rd

i dont think teams go above $6.7M (1st, 2nd, 3rd comp)

they also have Berglund and Stewart who are RFAs.

Pietr is expected to get matched by STL at $8M or so or even higher.

Shatt at $6.5M ----STL likely takes compensation.

STL only has about $19M to spend on 4+ free agents. They have to save some cap space for call ups and trade deadline deals. If Pietrangelo signs for about half of that space then one of the 3 others RFAs will likely be dealt or signed to an offer sheet and compensation gotten.

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You don't save cap space for callups and trade deadline. You only call players up for injuries and injured players don't count against the cap. It is more than easy to fit players into the cap at the deadline.

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$5m per is 1st and 3rd

i dont think teams go above $6.7M (1st, 2nd, 3rd comp)

they also have Berglund and Stewart who are RFAs.

Pietr is expected to get matched by STL at $8M or so or even higher.

Shatt at $6.5M ----STL likely takes compensation.

STL only has about $19M to spend on 4+ free agents. They have to save some cap space for call ups and trade deadline deals. If Pietrangelo signs for about half of that space then one of the 3 others RFAs will likely be dealt or signed to an offer sheet and compensation gotten.
The Blues have over 24 million in cap space.....

The Blues have 4 priority free agents and Russell. Russell at most will be around 1 million a season so that leaves 23 million to sign 4 players. Also Elliott and Allen in goal would be a perfectly capable pair of goaltenders freeing up 3.75 million in cap space that Halak is taking up if needed.

Karlsson at a similar spot with a higher cap signed for 6.5 million. So lets just say 7 million for Pietrangelo

Shattenkirk lets say 5.5 million anyone paying more in an offer sheet are just plain stupid.

Stewart Let's say 5 Million.

Berglund lets say 4.5 million which is an over payment.

Look at that all the free agents fit under the Salary cap. 21.5 million spent on the 4 RFA leaving around 2 million in cap space without dumping Halak.


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$5m per is 1st and 3rd

i dont think teams go above $6.7M (1st, 2nd, 3rd comp)

they also have Berglund and Stewart who are RFAs.

Pietr is expected to get matched by STL at $8M or so or even higher.

Shatt at $6.5M ----STL likely takes compensation.

STL only has about $19M to spend on 4+ free agents. They have to save some cap space for call ups and trade deadline deals. If Pietrangelo signs for about half of that space then one of the 3 others RFAs will likely be dealt or signed to an offer sheet and compensation gotten.
So if a team does go for Shatty it'll be $6.7M.

I'd go $10M for Pietrangelo pretty easily as a Canucks fan. Would the Blues match? It's a pretty unreasonable offer.

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So if a team does go for Shatty it'll be $6.7M.

I'd go $10M for Pietrangelo pretty easily as a Canucks fan. Would the Blues match? It's a pretty unreasonable offer.
And Vancouver has the room to pay Pietrangelo 10 million how?

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And Vancouver has the room to pay Pietrangelo 10 million how?
They'd just move two of Edler/Booth/Burrows/Bieksa for picks + prospects to make up the 4 x 1sts they'd have to give up for Pietrangelo...

Are you saying that your team would have a tough time matching?

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I've read on some site, that if an offer sheet is 7 or 8 mil+ for an offer sheet, the compensation would be 4 first round picks.



And yes I think Holmgren is that big of an idiot that he would do it.

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I've read on some site, that if an offer sheet is 7 or 8 mil+ for an offer sheet, the compensation would be 4 first round picks.



And yes I think Holmgren is that big of an idiot that he would do it.
8.4 and above would be four firsts, and no one would be an idiot for giving Pietrangelo that money. The four firsts are debatable, and highly dependent on where the team finishes.

Considering he just gave Streit five and a quarter AAV though, I love to know what Holmgren thinks would be fair for Pietrangelo.

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They'd just move two of Edler/Booth/Burrows/Bieksa for picks + prospects to make up the 4 x 1sts they'd have to give up for Pietrangelo...

Are you saying that your team would have a tough time matching?
We'd match. He's not goin anywhere.

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Point is, blues will keep both players come next year. It'll be the OS to Stewie and Berglund that will be interesting.

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We'd match. He's not goin anywhere.
Okay, that's that then.

Thanks for screwing up my whole off-season plan!

(Can't really be too mad when my off-season plan is contingent on basically stealing your best player)

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Okay, that's that then.

Thanks for screwing up my whole off-season plan!

(Can't really be too mad when my off-season plan is contingent on basically stealing your best player)
It's harder than ever to get top talent on the free agent market. It's honestly best for teams to develop their core's from within through the draft. Look at all the top teams and they have a lot of homegrown talent.

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Found it on a Google image search just trying to find something to replace my old one. If you want me to relinquish, no biggie.

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Nah dude, I dont care haha. In fact that was the one that got ripped off. The original says Lead Us to the Promised land : girouxsalem. Dude stole it and posted it all over, I found out who he was, gave some fake im going to sue you **** and used it as free publicity to sell more shirts.

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Holmgren absolutely pulls a Dr. Evil here:

100 million dollars!!!...HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!



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I've read on some site, that if an offer sheet is 7 or 8 mil+ for an offer sheet, the compensation would be 4 first round picks.



And yes I think Holmgren is that big of an idiot that he would do it.
there may be some slight salary adjustments in this for 13-14.....


$1,110,249 or below - No Compensation
Over $1,110,249 to $1,682,194 - 3rd round pick
Over $1,682,194 to $3,364,391 - 2nd round pick
Over $3,364,391 to $5,046,585 - 1st round pick, 3rd
Over $5,046,585 to $6,728,781 - 1st round pick, 2nd, 3rd
Over $6,728,781 To $8,410,976 - Two 1st Round Picks, 2nd, 3rd
Over $8,410,976 - Four 1st Round Picks

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