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Carolina "some players who were previously untouchable may no longer be untouchable"

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06-17-2013, 02:48 PM
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Sutter + Letang for Skinner + Faulk + Murphy/1st Round + Boychuck
Atrocious.

Justin Faulk is a non-starter in pretty much any trade.

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06-17-2013, 02:49 PM
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Pitts, Gleason, ruutu all take up the most salary for the least amount of return. It's jr's list of untouchables not hf's so it's possible guys like this are the ones being talked about. The canes payroll is a bit out of whack. I could see them addressing it by moving the guys I'm mentioning.

It won't be for returns of futures. The canes want the playoffs now. Prospects from the canes are always generally on the table. Murphy and rask included if the price is right.

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06-17-2013, 02:54 PM
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J. Skinner
J. McBain



M. Staal
B. Boyle

Lets do this.

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I'm surprised so many think it's Skinner.

With guys like Ruutu, Pits, maybe even Gleason on the books, I think it's for sure one of those guys before Skinner.

The only way I see one of Pits or Gleason being moved is if JR pulls of a trade for M.Staal or another top 4 dman.

My guess is Ruutu is the guy being talked about. Something around Ruutu for Hemsky would be great. A second line of Skinner-J.Staal-Hemsky would do so much damage. I think the lack of a playmaker is why Skinner struggled last year. Hemsky would definitely fix that.

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06-17-2013, 02:57 PM
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06-17-2013, 02:58 PM
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J. Skinner
J. McBain



M. Staal
B. Boyle

Lets do this.
Nah..


McBain, Rask, Bowman, 2nd/3rd


M.Staal, Boyle

Let's do this.

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06-17-2013, 02:59 PM
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Nah..


McBain, Rask, Bowman, 2nd/3rd


M.Staal, Boyle

Let's do this.
We're not getting Marc Staal for one good prospect and three spare parts.

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06-17-2013, 03:00 PM
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Nah..


McBain, Rask, Bowman, 2nd/3rd


M.Staal, Boyle

Let's do this.
Carolina fan saying that is really awful for the Rangers.

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06-17-2013, 03:01 PM
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Staal doesn't have to go, it won't be for futures if he does at this point. If his deal was up we could offer a package like that. It's fair they ask for skinner or at least ruutu/tlusty for staal.

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We're not getting Marc Staal for one good prospect and three spare parts.
Couple of things..

I'm confused by the status of M.Staal's value. Some say he's still worth the stars, others say he's damaged goods or close.

Also, I'm confused by McBain's value. Has he really dropped of that much in value? IMO, I think his value may still surprise some. GMs are always looking for a right-handed dman who can manage a PP. Yeah, he definitely struggled this last year, but I still think GMs would have a fair amount of interest in him.

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06-17-2013, 03:03 PM
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I am sure the stars would have interest maybe daley and 29th

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06-17-2013, 03:04 PM
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Bernier and muzzin for skinner. We could throw in more also.

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06-17-2013, 03:06 PM
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I'm gonna go *WAAAAAAYYYYY* out into left field for this one, but...



Niklas Kronwall
Jimmy Howard
Justin Abdelkader
18th OA



Jeff Skinner
Cam Ward
37th OA

I think the value is fairly accurate.

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06-17-2013, 03:09 PM
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Couple of things..

I'm confused by the status of M.Staal's value. Some say he's still worth the stars, others say he's damaged goods or close.

Also, I'm confused by McBain's value. Has he really dropped of that much in value? IMO, I think his value may still surprise some. GMs are always looking for a right-handed dman who can manage a PP. Yeah, he definitely struggled this last year, but I still think GMs would have a fair amount of interest in him.
To the Rangers, his value is still very high. When healthy, he's arguably their best defenseman (ditto with the 'Canes and Skinner). They're not going to give him away just because he got hit in the eye, just like we're not giving away Skinner because of the concussions. Hence why many are putting the two together, high value players who may or may not be damaged goods.

IMO, yes, McBain's value has dropped that much. A couple years ago he could have been the centerpiece to a deal for example, Jordan Staal. Now, he's someone you add to a deal so you get the guy you want. He's not horrible, but he's not very good. He lost his PP spot to Tim Brent remember.

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06-17-2013, 03:14 PM
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All three Staal brothers are belong to us!

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06-17-2013, 03:46 PM
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I'm gonna go *WAAAAAAYYYYY* out into left field for this one, but...



Niklas Kronwall
Jimmy Howard
Justin Abdelkader
18th OA



Jeff Skinner
Cam Ward
37th OA

I think the value is fairly accurate.
Umm..... no? I probably wouldn't have an issue going Kronwall/Gator/18th for Skinner + 37th, but I'm not giving up Howard for Cam Ward.

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06-17-2013, 04:05 PM
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Couple of things..

I'm confused by the status of M.Staal's value. Some say he's still worth the stars, others say he's damaged goods or close.

Also, I'm confused by McBain's value. Has he really dropped of that much in value? IMO, I think his value may still surprise some. GMs are always looking for a right-handed dman who can manage a PP. Yeah, he definitely struggled this last year, but I still think GMs would have a fair amount of interest in him.
He's still a top end d-man. If he'd join you Eric can't concuss him . Puck to the eye was just unlucky, I wouldn't call him injury prone. Just like Crosby's broken jaw it was a freak accident.

Would you say Crosby isn't worth a lot due to his injury history? And yes I know that Marc ain't no Sid. He's still a great defensive D. He actually looked really good offensively this year until the injury hit him. He was Rangers best d-man this year when he was healthy.

So something around Skinner is fair. Just as "injury prone" if not more than M.Staal.

Rangers need top 6 LW and Canes really need to shed salary and strengthen their defense which is pretty hideous, no offense. So it's a win-win trade. Plus you get the complete collection of the Staal brothers .

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06-17-2013, 05:26 PM
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I'm gonna go *WAAAAAAYYYYY* out into left field for this one, but...



Niklas Kronwall
Jimmy Howard
Justin Abdelkader
18th OA



Jeff Skinner
Cam Ward
37th OA

I think the value is fairly accurate.
I would actually do that.

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06-17-2013, 05:34 PM
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What would Carolina need to move Gleason?

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06-17-2013, 05:36 PM
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Geez how far has Jeff Skinner fallen that people are saying hes not one of the untouchables?

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06-17-2013, 05:37 PM
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Geez how far has Jeff Skinner fallen that people are saying hes not one of the untouchables?
He hasn't fallen at all. But with our cap situation and our serious need for defensemen, his name comes up because of his value.

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06-17-2013, 05:40 PM
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Geez how far has Jeff Skinner fallen that people are saying hes not one of the untouchables?
That's not the issue. The issue is the Canes have Staal at $9+ million, Semin at $7 million, Staal and Skinner at $6 million, Ward at $6.3 million, and Ruutu at $4.75 million as a budget team. Meanwhile the D is terrible and there's no money to fix it. Ruutu has a NMC and injury history, will be hard to trade. Some forward money has to be transferred to the D and Skinner is the likely candidate because he would bring back a top D.

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06-17-2013, 05:46 PM
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Geez how far has Jeff Skinner fallen that people are saying hes not one of the untouchables?
He hasn't and not everyone is saying that. Things like that take on a life of their own on message boards like this.

Kid just turned 21 and behind Semin, the most skilled, natural scorer on the team. IMO, Canes trade him away and they will regret it sooner, rather than later. Many of the same fans supporting a trade of Skinner would also be the first to complain about Rutherford giving up on guys too soon and not letting them develop. He's had his share of ups and downs, but not unexpected for a kid coming right out of jrs. like that at a young age.

I think the reason that some Canes fans have become enamored with the thought of trading Skinner is that in order to improve the defense, they need to add a top 4 defender. There aren't many trade chits to make that happen AND the Canes salary structure is forward top-heavy so something has to give.

E.Staal/J.Staal/Semin won't be going anywhere
Ruutu has a NMC
Tlusty doesn't make enough money to free up cap space
Pitkanen is coming off injury and removing him creates another hole
Gleason has a NTC and removing him creates another hole.

So, many view trading Skinner as the only option to improve the D for next year, but that's a very short-sighted view. If I had to guess, I would say Rutherford would move Ruutu, Pitkanen, McBain and other prospects before he'd move Skinner.

EDIT: Oh, and in true HF fashion this time of year, the player the Canes pick at #5 has already made Skinner expendable in many fans eyes.

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06-17-2013, 05:48 PM
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my guess is the one player once deemed untouchable that is touchable now is cam ward.

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06-17-2013, 05:51 PM
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my guess is the one player once deemed untouchable that is touchable now is cam ward.
Highly doubtful. Everyone saw how bad we were without him.

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