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05-31-2005, 12:01 PM
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Leafs prospects make their move to 27th at HF

Updated organizational rankings. Teams 30-16.

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its time to celebrate
whos house are we going to

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How are the Blues ahead of the Leafs. and Canucks.

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I think the rankings from a Leaf standpoint are reasonable and the comments fair ..

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I personally would take the Leafs over the Blues at this moment.

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I personally think the modest increase is about many of our prospects, before considered marginal, have had good seasons and showed potential to be NHL players this year i.e. Kyle Wellwood, Jeremy Williams, and Ian White.

Otherwise, the Leafs do not have enough surefire NHLers to be considered much higher then the low-mid 20's.

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Vorobiev one of the better defenders at the WJC doesn't get a mention, but Robbie not good enough Earl does?

Must be because Vorobiev is much older playing in a weaker league.

Robbie Earl Left Wing
Born Jun 6 1985 -- Chicago, IL
Height 5.10 -- Weight 184 -- Shoots L

Dmitry Vorobiev Defense
Born Oct 18 1985 -- Togliatti, Russia
Height 6.00 -- Weight 209 -- Shoots L

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Vorobiev one of the better defenders at the WJC doesn't get a mention, but Robbie not good enough Earl does?

Must be because Vorobiev is much older playing in a weaker league.

Robbie Earl Left Wing
Born Jun 6 1985 -- Chicago, IL
Height 5.10 -- Weight 184 -- Shoots L

Dmitry Vorobiev Defense
Born Oct 18 1985 -- Togliatti, Russia
Height 6.00 -- Weight 209 -- Shoots L
Whenever I see Robbie Earl ranked as the Leafs' fourth best prospect I cringe. He shouldn't even be in the top 10.

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Whenever I see Robbie Earl ranked as the Leafs' fourth best prospect I cringe. He shouldn't even be in the top 10.
It just goes to show how poorly the organization drafts. 3rd worst in the league ...what a disgrace.
At least the past few years they can say they have been drafting late ...when they have actually kept thier picks.

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It just goes to show how poorly the organization drafts. 3rd worst in the league ...what a disgrace.
At least the past few years they can say they have been drafting late ...when they have actually kept thier picks.
That has nothing to do with what I wrote, there are plenty of prospects lower than Earl that should be ranked higher.

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sorry, it wasnt a critisism of what you wrote, but my dissapointment with the lack of talent in the organization ...Earl, or anyone above/below him are not top prospects ...other than Carlo, and Steen the Leafs don't have squat as far as a serious prospect. ...and by that I mean potential 1st line, top 2 D ...or for that matter even 2nd line which may be the best Steen will ever be. I hope I'm wrong, but, sadly i dont think i am.

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sorry, it wasnt a critisism of what you wrote, but my dissapointment with the lack of talent in the organization ...Earl, or anyone above/below him are not top prospects ...other than Carlo, and Steen the Leafs don't have squat as far as a serious prospect. ...and by that I mean potential 1st line, top 2 D ...or for that matter even 2nd line which may be the best Steen will ever be. I hope I'm wrong, but, sadly i dont think i am.
Don't worry, things aren't nearly as bad as that list makes things out to be. Just by the ommissions it is obvious that no one actually put any thought into what the Leafs actually have as prospects.

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other than Carlo, and Steen the Leafs don't have squat as far as a serious prospect. ...and by that I mean potential 1st line, top 2 D ...or for that matter even 2nd line which may be the best Steen will ever be. I hope I'm wrong, but, sadly i dont think i am.
Actually, I'd think that Vorobiev as one of the top 4 players as a 19 year old on the 2nd. best RSL team indicates he should be considered a prospect for a top 2 D spot.

He just spend the year defending against the likes of Jagr not some career minor leaguers.

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It just goes to show how poorly the organization drafts. 3rd worst in the league ...what a disgrace.
At least the past few years they can say they have been drafting late ...when they have actually kept thier picks.
That really comes done to our Jack A$$ GM's trading away all our prospects and picks each trade deadline ..

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That really comes done to our Jack A$$ GM's trading away all our prospects and picks each trade deadline ..
Maybe the new CBA will ban the trading of picks.

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Actually, I'd think that Vorobiev as one of the top 4 players as a 19 year old on the 2nd. best RSL team indicates he should be considered a prospect for a top 2 D spot.

He just spend the year defending against the likes of Jagr not some career minor leaguers.

Vorobiev has talent without doubt ..

It has yet to be seen if he has the motivation to become an NHL player.

Coming into your draft year and showing up at the conditioning tests 40lbs over weight and out of shape certainly goes towards character IMO .. He calls it baby fat but I think by know he should have grown out of it.

He did draw high praise for his work this season and I have read articles that he was above Max Kondratiev on the depth chart in the RSL ..and just last year before Leafs traded him he was ranked a Top 5 Leaf prospect so based on those two sentences then Vorobiev also should be a TOP 5 ..

However the biggest glaring omission from the Leafs prospect list is clearly Marty Sagat

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Maybe the new CBA will ban the trading of picks.
Thank goodness for the Lockout and the silver lining that it does not allow you to trade prospects and picks ..

If the Lockout goes another year that will be 2 full years of draft picks in the bank.

It does seem a bit extreme but you gotta go what you gotta do ..


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Coming into your draft year and showing up at the conditioning tests 40lbs over weight and out of shape certainly goes towards character IMO

He did draw high praise for his work this season and I have read articles that he was above Max Kondratiev on the depth chart in the RSL ..and just last year before Leafs traded him he was ranked a Top 5 Leaf prospect so based on those two sentences then Vorobiev also should be a TOP 5 ..

However the biggest glaring omission from the Leafs prospect list is clearly Marty Sagat
I thought Sagat had graduated?

Leafs did not have enough picks to select Vorobiev early, and the only way they'd get the best young defender from Lada was to have him show up in horrible shape to scare off other teams.

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I thought Sagat had graduated?

Leafs did not have enough picks to select Vorobiev early, and the only way they'd get the best young defender from Lada was to have him show up in horrible shape to scare off other teams.
Good point :

Are the Maple Leafs sending Sidney Crosby a couple dozen Tim Horten's Doughnouts with each contract offer to join the Marlies ??

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Good point :

Are the Maple Leafs sending Sidney Crosby a couple dozen Tim Horten's Doughnouts with each contract offer to join the Marlies ??
Too slow ... Krispy Kremes are quicker.

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lets take issue with this ranking!

well, maybe the ranking is ok, but the reasoning is wrong.

two elite prospects and then nothing more? what makes carlo such a better prospect then whitey? and what makes steen a better prospect then wellwood?

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two elite prospects and then nothing more? what makes carlo such a better prospect then whitey? and what makes steen a better prospect then wellwood?
Answer : Talent

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Prospect development:

Steen plays in the very strong MODO system that produced such NHLers and Forsberg and Naslund .. Poor Welly was saddled with an AHL coach that lost focus and was stashed away in St. Johns .. The Leafs have since rectified the Welly situation on both fronts..


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lets take issue with this ranking!

well, maybe the ranking is ok, but the reasoning is wrong.

two elite prospects and then nothing more? what makes carlo such a better prospect then whitey? and what makes steen a better prospect then wellwood?
Crossed my mind ... why is Carlos still considered Blue Chip? It isn't like he's the next Nick Schultz.

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Answer : Talent

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Steen plays in the very strong MODO system that produced such NHLers and Forsberg and Naslund .. Poor Welly was saddled with an AHL coach that lost focus and was stashed away in St. Johns .. The Leafs have since rectified the Welly situation on both fronts..
well that's a load of garbage designed just to goad me. haven't you had enough embarressment yet?

fact is, wellwood is more talented then steen, and he had a terrific season in st.john's under doug shedden.

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i would place the leafs adleast #22

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