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06-22-2013, 03:02 PM
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I think flower is a good goaltender but hes just loss all confidence where hes at.

i think a change is what he needs to get back on track. I would be very excited if we could somehow manage to get Letang & the flower in a trade tho, that would be awesome.

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06-22-2013, 03:09 PM
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For anyone who still has thoughts that Fletcher would go with a Harding-Kuemper tandem:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/ClutterPuck">@ClutterPuck</a> no chance</p>&mdash; Michael Russo (@Russostrib) <a href="https://twitter.com/Russostrib/statuses/348461855745921024">June 22, 2013</a></blockquote>
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06-22-2013, 03:10 PM
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For anyone who still has thoughts that Fletcher would go with a Harding-Kuemper tandem:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/ClutterPuck">@ClutterPuck</a> no chance</p>&mdash; Michael Russo (@Russostrib) <a href="https://twitter.com/Russostrib/statuses/348461855745921024">June 22, 2013</a></blockquote>
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06-22-2013, 03:13 PM
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Hopefully the follow up is Minnesota is looking at all options and will rather sign a goaltender than trade for one.

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06-22-2013, 05:19 PM
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Hopefully the follow up is Minnesota is looking at all options and will rather sign a goaltender than trade for one.

Why not go after Bernier in a trade..it sounds like they are pretty hot on his heels right now trying to acquire him per Russo and some TSN analysis.

If the price is something along the lines of Clutterbuck+Kuemper I'd trade for Bernier every time. Its a bummer we don't have that first round pick cause I'd easily trade a first for Bernier.

The kid is 24 and had a .922 save percentage this year. Just ridiculous potential. Just needs some playing time, kinda like Tuka Raask when he was Thomas's backup all those years. Easily could be goalie of the future for this team.

Make it happen Fletch!

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06-22-2013, 05:23 PM
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I'll consider the off-season success if they get Bernier with a decent trade (I don't believe in the Fleury case at all) and Filppula or Weiss. I don't care about minor signings/trade. Although acquiring Mitchell was, IMO, a great minor signing. I don't think he get as much recognition as he should for what he did last season. He's my new favorite Wild.
Completely agree. No to Weiss yes to Filpulla.

Mitchell should get more minutes once we get rid of "I like to try but I can't shoot the puck Clutterbuck"

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06-22-2013, 05:32 PM
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Why not go after Bernier in a trade..it sounds like they are pretty hot on his heels right now trying to acquire him per Russo and some TSN analysis.
Because LA thinks that Bernier is worth a top prospect/1st round pick or even both? We're not going to get Bernier for Clutterbuck + Kuemper. LA wants a guy back like Zucker + Kuemper.

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Because LA thinks that Bernier is worth a top prospect/1st round pick or even both? We're not going to get Bernier for Clutterbuck + Kuemper. LA wants a guy back like Zucker + Kuemper.
Pretty much. I'd love to have Bernier but I'm starting to accept that the cost is just too much. Would rather just re-sign Backs and be done with it.

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06-22-2013, 05:36 PM
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Because LA thinks that Bernier is worth a top prospect/1st round pick or even both? We're not going to get Bernier for Clutterbuck + Kuemper. LA wants a guy back like Zucker + Kuemper.
LA fans. Different situation.

Kuemper is the only piece we actually know from Russo. Still too much.

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06-22-2013, 05:47 PM
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Because LA thinks that Bernier is worth a top prospect/1st round pick or even both? We're not going to get Bernier for Clutterbuck + Kuemper. LA wants a guy back like Zucker + Kuemper.

Thats a pretty steep price considering the whole league knows they are trying to move him after making it public they would trade him. I don't think his value is much more than a 1st round pick. Look at goalies who have been moved in recent years.

-Sergei Bobvrovsky traded to Columbus for 2nd round pick and 2 4th round picks

-Anders Lindback traded to Tampa Bay for 2 2nd rounders a 3rd rounder

-Ben Bishop traded to Ottawa for a 2nd round pick

-Jaraslov Halak to St. Lious for Lars Eller and Ian Schultz

-Sergie Varlamov to Colorado for a 1st and a 2nd.


Looking at that and comparing the different goalies and potentials and ages...thinking about where those goalies were at the time they were traded I'd say that Bernier falls in between a Varlamov and a Bobvrovsky.

I'd say a 1st round pick would be fine compensation. I'd have no problem with Fletcher moving Keumper, Clutterbuck and if it so takes a 3rd rounder. That would be a great trade for the Wild.

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06-22-2013, 05:48 PM
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On a separate note and not to change the subject but holy did Columbus steal Bobvrovsky from Philly! What a move that turned out to be.

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Guys... Kuemper is 23 Bernier is 24... Kuemper's value is not that high and he is not a blue chip

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Thats a pretty steep price considering the whole league knows they are trying to move him after making it public they would trade him.
LA really doesn't need to trade him though. The reason why the whole league knows that Bernier is on the move is other teams have inquired for the past two seasons. LA doesn't have to move Bernier at all.

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Except LA (and probably the league) doesn't think Clutterbuck + 3rd rounder = 1st. Quantity=/=quality. LA wants a guy like Matt Read, Matt Frattin or Jason Zucker back. They don't want pieces, they want a legitimate top 6 winger back, something that Clutterbuck isn't.

It would be a great move for Minnesota because they would be fleecing LA and not giving what LA wants.

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06-22-2013, 06:03 PM
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Guys... Kuemper is 23 Bernier is 24... Kuemper's value is not that high and he is not a blue chip
For once I agree with you. The only thing I really like about Kuemper is his size. I don't think he's future starting material, probably a career back-up.

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On a separate note and not to change the subject but holy did Columbus steal Bobvrovsky from Philly! What a move that turned out to be.
Bobrovsky will come back to Earth, would not sustain that play in a full season. Also, Philly has no defense, anybody would look terrible. Hard to judge goalies in a bad system.

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Guys... Kuemper is 23 Bernier is 24... Kuemper's value is not that high and he is not a blue chip
If Fletcher thought Kuemper was not a potential starter, he wouldn't have traded Hackett. Bernier is two years older.

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For once I agree with you. The only thing I really like about Kuemper is his size. I don't think he's future starting material, probably a career back-up.
Which is why trading Hackett was such a dumb mistake. Nobody established anything. I don't think Kuemper has set a ceiling for himself yet but he's still a couple years away. So is Hackett.

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06-22-2013, 07:13 PM
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Guys... Kuemper is 23 Bernier is 24... Kuemper's value is not that high and he is not a blue chip
Good point but I bet most of us wouldn't like the "+" in a potential deal.

Either way, hopefully this puts more pressure on Backstrom's clan to make a faster decision. Time is running out.

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Hackett was moved because he, in combination, had so few NHL games, poor season, and a new deal that would require waivers if moved up/down. He had little value in any deal and was more or less a throw in.

Gustafsson is/has been looked at as the future #1, IMO.

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It's just an annoying thought. Like, we've always had solid goaltending as a team and don't usually have to give up much to acquire it.... and going after bernier just kinda goes against that.

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Who is the guy ? That's my question.

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LA really doesn't need to trade him though. The reason why the whole league knows that Bernier is on the move is other teams have inquired for the past two seasons. LA doesn't have to move Bernier at all.



Where have you been Koala?? Dean Lombardi and co. publicly promised Bernier that he would be moved before next season after he asked for a trade. He will be moved. If they don't move him they have a Luongo situation. I don't think they'd go there.

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If Fletcher thought Kuemper was not a potential starter, he wouldn't have traded Hackett. Bernier is two years older.

Has nothing to do with it. He either chose to keep Keumper over Hackett. Or Buffalo chose Hackett over Kuemper. You decide which one you think it was.

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Has nothing to do with it. He either chose to keep Keumper over Hackett. Or Buffalo chose Hackett over Kuemper. You decide which one you think it was.
http://video.sabres.nhl.com/videocen...ed-share-video

-Wild first called about Pominville about a month ago.
-Discussed other players but ultimately Wild wanted Pominville.
-Picks were the first thing on the table, players were added.

Pretty much the most "inside" thing I could find about that trade.

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Hackett was moved because he, in combination, had so few NHL games, poor season, and a new deal that would require waivers if moved up/down. He had little value in any deal and was more or less a throw in.

Gustafsson is/has been looked at as the future #1, IMO.


What I've been thinking for years.

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We shouldn't of added the players.. I'm not happy we traded the picks.

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I'm really looking forward to watch Gustafsson play in Iowa.

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