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06-20-2013, 09:40 AM
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You're right, you said "crippled by Boston" which is even more egregious IMO.
No, i said that, based on the Prust and Emelin injuries.

That removed 100% of our physicality.

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06-20-2013, 09:47 AM
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No, i said that, based on the Prust and Emelin injuries.

That removed 100% of our physicality.
You're right, I need to work on my reading comprehension this morning. Apologies to you and Scott FC for misattributing the quote.

If the implication is that our toughness was crippled by the Emelin and Prust injuries, I agree. If the implication is that Boston crippled us by injuring Emelin and/or Prust, that I would disagree with.

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You're right, I need to work on my reading comprehension this morning. Apologies to you and Scott FC for misattributing the quote.

If the implication is that our toughness was crippled by the Emelin and Prust injuries, I agree. If the implication is that Boston crippled us by injuring Emelin and/or Prust, that I would disagree with.
Exactly, it's not necessarily that Boston crippled us but more that we need more balance of physicality on our team.

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Am i wrong about Prust? I thought the Lucic fight injured him?

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06-20-2013, 09:52 AM
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I think the Habs need to try and grab Bickell.

We should also look at Clarkson and Clowe, depending upon the cost. Scuderi could provide some pop on the back end.

Those are the free agents we should target. We could also look into Iginla. He is not the main focus of an offence anymore, but he would be a great complementary player to replace Ryder. Again, cost will determine benefit.

In the trade market, a deal with Washington for Aulie or with Minnesota for Clayton Stoner would be our best route to go for that back end grit and crease clearing ability. We should also find a way to get Jimmy Hayes out of Chicago, that kid would be just amazing in a Habs uniform.

At the draft, see if we can move up to get Nurse. If we can get to him, target Morin. Those two are the 1st round kids we absolutely need for our back end.

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Am i wrong about Prust? I thought the Lucic fight injured him?
He was banged up going into the playoffs, not sure where exactly it happened but I think it was that icing call against Ottawa where he went hard into the boards that had the most impact.

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I think the Habs need to try and grab Bickell.

We should also look at Clarkson and Clowe, depending upon the cost. Scuderi could provide some pop on the back end.

Those are the free agents we should target. We could also look into Iginla. He is not the main focus of an offence anymore, but he would be a great complementary player to replace Ryder. Again, cost will determine benefit.

In the trade market, a deal with Washington for Aulie or with Minnesota for Clayton Stoner would be our best route to go for that back end grit and crease clearing ability. We should also find a way to get Jimmy Hayes out of Chicago, that kid would be just amazing in a Habs uniform.

At the draft, see if we can move up to get Nurse. If we can get to him, target Morin. Those two are the 1st round kids we absolutely need for our back end.
I'd like any of Bickell, Clowe and Clarkson also but I fear that Clowe will be the only one worth the contract due to the question marks around him.

In my opinion every year there's a player like this that emerges in the playoffs, remember Joel Ward? These guys excel in the right role, Montreal needs to do their homework and not only find the next guy but put him in the right role also.

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06-20-2013, 10:14 AM
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I wanted Habs to draft Bryan Bickell, I wanted Habs to trade for Bryan Bickell his rookie year in Chicago

I hope they find a way to sign him this summer if he gets to free agency, hope his connection with Bergevin eases that process

If not, I know a team down the 417 will have alot of interest

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06-20-2013, 10:16 AM
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I wanted Habs to draft Bryan Bickell, I wanted Habs to trade for Bryan Bickell his rookie year in Chicago

I hope they find a way to sign him this summer if he gets to free agency, hope his connection with Bergevin eases that process

If not, I know a team down the 417 will have alot of interest
Same here, I think he's be a great fit here

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Torres signed in SJ. Would have liked his physicality but honestly I'm happy. The guy has been scum most of his career.

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Arpon Basu ‏@ArponBasu 44s #Habs Bergevin not too enthused about free agency. "History shows that free agency is not the best tool. It's a good tool, but not the best"

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Arpon Basu ‏@ArponBasu 1m When asked if he's made a decision about #Habs impending free agents, Bergevin simply said, "Yes."

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Arpon Basu ‏@ArponBasu 44s #Habs Bergevin not too enthused about free agency. "History shows that free agency is not the best tool. It's a good tool, but not the best"
Didn't they sign Hossa in Chicago a few years ago. Turned out very well for him but I agree it's mostly a war of over bidding for players that aren't worth it

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Huh?
It was a sarcastic retort to a dumb comment.

Collberg is still "A" okay in my books!

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Anderson didn't look that great in the 2nd round against a team that could actually score.

Please tell me more about how Anderson being good means that Price was bad and that the teams in front of them had no impact on that at all.
I don't think the team in front had no impact, but go look at all the goals the Habs gave up that series, especially the ones not at "run up the score time" late in a couple games where frustration and penalities took over. Pretty much half those goals were weak goals, you can't win with a goalie(s) giving up 6-7 bad goals in a series. You can live with 1 or2 max.

Yes Anderson faced more offense against a healthy Pittsburgh team than vs a banged up Habs team missing Emelin Gionta(not 100% even when he played) Pacioretty(missed one game plus separated shoulder for the others) Eller(didn't even play a full game) and Prust(not a big offensive player but generates chances for others/played hurt), BUT the Habs still put a lot of quality shots on him, more than enough to win playoff games. A .950 save % is great no matter how you slice it and a so so series vs Pittsburgh doesn't change that. Goalies don't stay hot forever, Halak went cold in round 3 three years ago and was pulled a couple times despite being red hot the first two rounds.

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Really like this quote, too many people completely miss this in the "frenzy":

Arpon Basu ‏@ArponBasu 2m "I'm really careful on that day. It could be a dangerous day." - #Habs GM Marc Bergevin on free agency day.

Arpon Basu ‏@ArponBasu 59s "It's not only this year, it has a ripple effect of a couple of years. You don't get free agents to come on a one year deal." - Bergevin

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Arpon Basu ‏@ArponBasu 44s #Habs Bergevin not too enthused about free agency. "History shows that free agency is not the best tool. It's a good tool, but not the best"
When you know you won't be aggressive, this is what you say.

Boston is not where they are without free agency.

As I've said before, I expect pretty much the same team next year.

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Max Pacioretty - Tomas Plekanec - Brendan Gallagher
Alex Galchenyuk - David Desharnais - David Clarkson*
Rene Bourque - Lars Eller - Brian Gionta
Brandon Prust - Boyd Gordon* - Ryan Jones*
-Ryan White and Travis Moen

This is what I would love the team to look like next year for the forwards.

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Same here, I think he's be a great fit here
0% chance he comes here. No way.

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Max Pacioretty - Tomas Plekanec - Brendan Gallagher
Alex Galchenyuk - David Desharnais - David Clarkson*
Rene Bourque - Lars Eller - Brian Gionta
Brandon Prust - Boyd Gordon* - Ryan Jones*
-Ryan White and Travis Moen

This is what I would love the team to look like next year for the forwards.
Clarkson will either re-sign with Jersey or go to Toronto.

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When you know you won't be aggressive, this is what you say.

Boston is not where they are without free agency.

As I've said before, I expect pretty much the same team next year.
Sorry, what big ticket free agent did they sign aside from Chara?

Somebody brought up the fact that the Hawks signed Hossa when Bergevin was there...which would suggest that when a bonafide stud like a Hossa or a Chara is on the market, Bergevin would be aggressive. But he's not interested in overpaying average players just because they're available on July 1. Do you see a Hossa or a Chara available through free agency this year?

In fact, the Bruins are clearly an example of a team built through drafting, not free agency. Which is exactly what Bergevin has emphasized since he got here.

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06-20-2013, 11:08 AM
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0% chance he comes here. No way.
If he hits UFA I think there is a good chance. Had it been the old management team i'd agree with you at 110%. These guys seem to be more in the loop in the league and are a lot more professional about doing things. I think it's possible again assuming the Hawks don't extend him

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When you know you won't be aggressive, this is what you say.

Boston is not where they are without free agency.

As I've said before, I expect pretty much the same team next year.
Well if there was a Chara available, then I'm sure he'd re-consider.

Unfortunately this free agent class is very poor.

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Clarkson will either re-sign with Jersey or go to Toronto.
Thats why i said "what id love the team to look like" and not what i think it will look like.

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Sorry, what big ticket free agent did they sign aside from Chara?

Somebody brought up the fact that the Hawks signed Hossa when Bergevin was there...which would suggest that when a bonafide stud like a Hossa or a Chara is on the market, Bergevin would be aggressive. But he's not interested in overpaying average players just because they're available on July 1. Do you see a Hossa or a Chara available through free agency this year?

In fact, the Bruins are clearly an example of a team built through drafting, not free agency. Which is exactly what Bergevin has emphasized since he got here.
Exactly! The Bruins have built the team from the draft and trades, not from the UFA

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