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Flyers talking to Anaheim about Bobby Ryan

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06-19-2013, 02:22 AM
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Well ok then.
Hey if that's the deal we can't complain.. But it does suck we won't be drafting a top tier defenseman :/

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06-19-2013, 02:24 AM
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Hey if that's the deal we can't complain.. But it does suck we won't be drafting a top tier defenseman :/
I won't be complaining. Thats for sure.

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06-19-2013, 02:25 AM
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Well ok then.



There's no way Jagr can handle a full 82 game schedule at this point, especially on a team with a Lavy offense. He'd be nice to have as a PP specialist but not as a full time 1st liner.
Really? I think jagr has looked great in the final. If he stays healthy endurance is not his issue. Plus giroux & Voracek seem enamored with him...

Worst case: I think you're right, PP quarterback easily.

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06-19-2013, 02:29 AM
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Really? I think jagr has looked great in the final. If he stays healthy endurance is not his issue. Plus giroux & Voracek seem enamored with him...

Worst case: I think you're right, PP quarterback easily.
I just see him, with the up tempo style offense that the Flyers play, running out of gas by the 3/4 mark. He sort of did the last time he was here and he's not getting any younger. But Giroux and Jake would love to have him back I'm sure and he's good for the locker room.

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06-19-2013, 02:31 AM
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If this goes through (and read for bernier happens) we're looking at:

Ryan - Giroux - Voracek
Hartnell - B. Schenn - Simmonds
Gagne - Couturier - Akeson
Rinaldo - Talbot - McGinn

Timonen - L. Schenn
Streit - Grossmann
Gus - Meszaros

Bernier
Mason

All of the sudden, we have a TON of offense again. Especially in the wings & Playmaking Defense.
Im a strong believer with Bill Meltzer that Meszaros won't be back next season. I doubt the return will be anything other than a draft pick or two, due to his injury history.

I'm guessing Laurdisen or a cheaper defensive UFA option will take that spot.

A Gus-Laurisden pairing is iffy.

I agree our offense looks much better. Although I think Laughton would take Akesons spot.

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06-19-2013, 03:16 AM
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The only way that's a legit deal is if Ryan is demanding a trade and only willing to be traded to the Flyers. Otherwise, i think every team in the league would be willing to better it.
Ryan's willigness has no meaning at this point. He doesn't have an NTC to dictate anything. Philadelphia is the common rumor, for whatever reason, but there's nothing holding any team back from acquiring him other than the Ducks' consent.

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Too much gets made of that quote. He was specifically asked about it, and gave a fairly honest answer. Obviously he'd love to play there, but too many Flyers fans turned that into him demanding a trade to Philly.
Agreed. At the time of the quote, the Flyers were one of the best teams of the league, and the obvious fit for Ryan would have been on his natural RW position with Giroux, who was maybe the most exciting player that year. Then Ryan was frustrated with rumors and had that interview, where he casually threw in one of the most attractiv destinations at the time. Nobody knows if the Flyers would still be his top option if he could choose today, and most importantly, he cannot.

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06-19-2013, 03:48 AM
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I don't see Anaheim and Philly as good trading partners in all honesty.

I can't see BM budging much off what the rumoured asking price was last season. Considering Anaheim still has somewhat similar needs.

And it should also be noted that Ryan doesn't have a NTC, so he can kick and scream about a move to Philly all he wants if that's the route he takes, won't do him much good though.

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06-19-2013, 04:38 AM
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Panaccio suggested the Kings would be asking for Voracek in a Bernier trade earlier today so keep in mind his valuation isn't exactly spot on.
Voracek will not be apart of any deal to LA for Bernier. Panaccio and the rest of the Flyers beat writer are morons.

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06-19-2013, 01:00 PM
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I don't see Anaheim and Philly as good trading partners in all honesty.

I can't see BM budging much off what the rumoured asking price was last season. Considering Anaheim still has somewhat similar needs.

And it should also be noted that Ryan doesn't have a NTC, so he can kick and scream about a move to Philly all he wants if that's the route he takes, won't do him much good though.
I'd rather trade with a team with a deeper defense like St. Louis. It would be great if we were able to trade for someone like Kevin Shattenkirk.

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06-19-2013, 01:04 PM
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Voracek will not be apart of any deal to LA for Bernier. Panaccio and the rest of the Flyers beat writer are morons.
Carchidi asked on twitter if the Flyers should trade Couturier and the 11th overall pick for Bernier.

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06-19-2013, 01:25 PM
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I don't see Anaheim and Philly as good trading partners in all honesty.

I can't see BM budging much off what the rumoured asking price was last season. Considering Anaheim still has somewhat similar needs.

And it should also be noted that Ryan doesn't have a NTC, so he can kick and scream about a move to Philly all he wants if that's the route he takes, won't do him much good though.
If anything is going to happen to Ryan it will be next off season. Reason being he could let management know that he doesn't want to come back and play in Anaheim. Overall I think he likes it in Anaheim and just doesn't like dealing with BM. I could see him failing in a bigger market because of all the pressure media give players.

If Philly isn't dealing a center they might as well wait two years and see if they can pick him up as a UFA. I honesty don't see the big reason to get Schenn and Couturier when our drafting has been pretty good. Also our center prospects isn't that bad.


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06-19-2013, 01:35 PM
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they might as well wait two years and see if they can pick him up as a UFA.
I don't see this being a key issue in trade talks. 2 years is a long time and I think Philly management is under pressure to perform. Fans on HF see these things differently than acutal NHL personel imo. Just as they value potential differently.

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06-19-2013, 01:42 PM
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Depending on how this draft goes, I might be willing to pony up Hodgson+ for Bobby, the + being somebody like McNabb or McCabe.

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Phillys already stacked on their top 6.

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I don't see this being a key issue in trade talks. 2 years is a long time and I think Philly management is under pressure to perform. Fans on HF see these things differently than acutal NHL personel imo. Just as they value potential differently.
lol You are 100% correct. I've said this a thousand times...smart insightful people on HF but somewhat jaded.

You can talk about 2 years from now all you want. How long has Ryan to the Flyers been rumored? Probably 2-3 years now? And with the mounting pressure to perform, I think the Flyers pull the trigger on a trade sooner rather later. The return for Ryan (if he goes to Philly) all depends on which domino falls first. Do the Flyers trade for Bernier, Ryan, or some other player first? Ryan has been brought up a few times now but their biggest need is in goal.

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Ryan + Allen + Fasth/Hiller for #11 + both Schenns or #11 + Couturier + Mez/Coburn?

Any luck?

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Personally I'd be interested in Ryan + Sbisa for 11th + Schenns.

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I'll be honest and say that I rather not deal with Philly. They don't really have what we need in Anaheim. Plenty of interest from other teams that are willing to give up a center and defensemen for Ryan. Also just seeing a lot of this but why the hell would you give up a player that usually scores 30 goals a season for a draft pick? ....that draft pick better be in the lineup when the season start or it's just a waste. imo


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From the Canucks perspective, I'd gladly do an Edler for Ryan swap.

Cap hits are almost identical, with Ryan at 5.1m and Edler at 5.0m. Some added value might be given to Edler since his contract is for 6yrs starting next season, whereas Ryan has only 2yrs remaining on his.

The players are at similar points in their careers as well: both entering their prime years (late 20s early 30s). If Anaheim wants to get younger and better on defence, it might be a plausible move. Probably doesn't happen though if Selanne and Koivu don't return next year. The Canucks could definitely use the fire power up front.

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Personally I'd be interested in Ryan + Sbisa for 11th + Schenns.
As an outsider, this doesnt look too far off, but i could see the ducks asking for more(and getting it). I think Brayden is gonna be a hell of an NHLer but Ryan has and will continue to outproduce him, imo. Luke is an NHL dman but I like Sbisa better. 11 probably isnt enough to make up the difference...top 5 maybe, but not 11.

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Homer is incredibly stupid. Ryan is the exact opposite of what this team needs. I'd rather pay a premium for Clutterbuck than move Coburn+ for Ryan

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As an outsider, this doesnt look too far off, but i could see the ducks asking for more(and getting it). I think Brayden is gonna be a hell of an NHLer but Ryan has and will continue to outproduce him, imo. Luke is an NHL dman but I like Sbisa better. 11 probably isnt enough to make up the difference...top 5 maybe, but not 11.
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Personally I'd be interested in Ryan + Sbisa for 11th + Schenns.
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Homer is incredibly stupid. Ryan is the exact opposite of what this team needs. I'd rather pay a premium for Clutterbuck than move Coburn+ for Ryan
One thing that I appreciate about Holmgren is if the complexion of the team doesn't work he does a 180. Bringing in Streit, Bernier, Ryan, and say Yandle would be nice....

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One thing that I appreciate about Holmgren is if the complexion of the team doesn't work he does a 180. Bringing in Streit, Bernier, Ryan, and say Yandle would be nice....
With Timonen, Streit and Gus, why do we need Yandle?

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